"The Mother Goddess and Tantric Shaktism", Part II

[Guest guest]

Greetings,

 

As all are aware that tantra texts were written in cryptic and obscure language

5M's fall under the same category.

 

In our human body ther are only two organs devoid of bone. One of such is

situated in our throat region composed of Meat. This organ has its own

significance in yoga.

 

When the yogi can reverse his tongue and touch this fleshy organ (it is a part

of Mudra in yoga) it results in evolving and bestowing him higher yogic

strenghts to progress him to higher regions.

 

Hence Mamsa implies the above. Not eating meat or sarifices which me

unfortunately see today.

 

 

 

m6 <megalith6 wrote:

Namaste,

 

With regard to the 5'M's...

 

'Mamsa, in the crude sense, is meat-

eating; in the subtle sense, control of the tongue or speech.

Similarly, Matsya or fish eating - in a subtle

sense – means the opening of the Vishuddha Chakra. Madya, or

drinking

wine, means drinking the divine

nectar from the Sahasrara Chakra. Mudra, or use of crude symbols,

became the use of subtle symbols.

And Maethuna or sex relations - in the subtle sense - means unity of

the unit and consciousness, or the

mystic union of Shiva (consciousness) and Shakti (the creative

principle)'.

 

Addapted from 'TANTRA Yoga & Meditation,

P.R. SARKAR'S CONTRIBUTION TO TANTRA'

 

http://norge.amps.org/ideologi/meditasjon/tantra.htm

 

The author has also suggested that the 5'M's stem from a

reintroduction of Tantra into India, from China; there could well be

parallels between the philosophy of the Yin and the Yang, and Shiva-

Shakti.

 

I do not associate wine with India, but with the Mediterranean;

I have heard that the proto-Vedic settlers to the Indus Valley drank

alcohol (and ate meat) but the details are lacking. Can anyone

enlighten me please, on the subject of wine from Mediaeval India?

 

In my own mind, I am fairly convinced that the 'gross' identity of

the

5'M's purposely conceals an esoteric symbolism.

 

Jai Ma!

 

m6

 

 

 

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta> wrote:

> The primitive basis of the Tantric Pañca-mākara or

> Pañca-tat=

> tva –

> the use of madya (wine), māmsa (meat), matsya (fish), mudra

> (cereals) and maithuna (sexual intercourse) – can be

established on

> investigation. Sexual rites related to fertility magic are common

to

> all forms of primitive religion, as Frazer and Briffault have

> wonderfully demonstrated. Erotic practices associated with the

> goddess cult are older than the Tantric and Taoist texts

themselves.

>

> This also holds good in the case of the rites of wine and fish.

> Thanks to the research of Briffault, we can now easily connect the

> use of wine, as a pre-condition of sexual intercourse, with

> fertility magic. Fish is also closely associated with matriarchal

> beliefs as a fertility symbol. Aphrodite, the fish goddess, was

> worshiped as the bestower of all animal and vegetative

fruitfulness,

> and – under this aspect – especially as a goddess of women.

The

> relation between fish and the Mother Goddess is a very common

> feature of primitive religion.

>

> (Excerpted from Bhattacharyya, Narendra Nath, "The Indian Mother

> Goddess," 2nd

> Edition. South Asia Books, New Delhi, 1977.)

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

exactly. thanks for adding. which i have left

 

sheetalika <sheetalika wrote:" When the yogi can reverse his tongue

and touch this fleshy organ

(it is a part of Mudra in yoga) it results in evolving and bestowing

him higher yogic strenghts to progress him to higher regions."

>

> Are you referring to Kechari Mudra ?

 

Thank you

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

there are other organs which do not have bone too/Washdev Sharma....

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peNkaLai kâtalikkiRên

Sunday, September 21, 2003 10:57 AM

Re: "The Mother Goddess and Tantric Shaktism", Part

II

 

 

, anildivine <anildivine>

wrote:

> In our human body ther are only two organs devoid of bone. One of

such is situated in our throat region composed of Meat. This organ

has its own significance in yoga.

 

One is the tongue ... and the other? Are you sure you haven't

forgotten something? What about the breasts?

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks for the correction.

 

peNkaLai_kâtalikkiRên <penkatali wrote:--- In

, anildivine <anildivine>

wrote:

> In our human body ther are only two organs devoid of bone. One of

such is situated in our throat region composed of Meat. This organ

has its own significance in yoga.

 

One is the tongue ... and the other? Are you sure you haven't

forgotten something? What about the breasts?