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is there no population in india or any hindu country which has tattoos? is there

no justification under any form of hinduism nor history for this art form? are

you saying in the history of india, nobody has ever had tattoos, and that the

origin of this is totally from other origins? i find that very hard to believe,

but if you insist it is so, who am i to argue ...

 

peace, love and poetic license,

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Namaste,

 

A woman that I work with is working on a school paper, the subject is

tattoos in America, Polynesia and in Hinduism.

 

We both found a single article that mentions tattoos and Hinduism,

but nothing else.

 

I am unfamiliar with tattoos related to Hinduism and was originally

skeptical of any link there, but that one article did lend some

credence to the connection.

 

Does anyone in this forum have any other resources or ideas on this.

 

I am not looking for information on the fact that many modern

westerners choose Hindu symbols for their tattoos. There's a lot on

that too.

 

I deeply appreciate your help.

 

Blessings,

 

pr

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I think tattoos have no tradition in India.

My opinion is based on the fact that when one gets a tattoo, the needle

penetrates the skin. This is a violation of purity rules of Hinduism, I am sure.

For instance, people in India never wore clothes that were penetrated by needles

or cut by scissors until the time when the Muslims had become a force in the

cultural life of India. This was because the material would have become ritually

impure had it been "violated" by a needle or a scissor. So people wore only

drapped cloth until they came in contact with the tailored cloth of the Muslim

invaders.

When this holds true for cloth, it should also hold true for the human body.

So I think there cannot be a tradition of making tattoos in India.

The only possibility of a tattoo-tradition in India would be among Adivasis

(tribal people), Dalits, and out-cast.

 

prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow wrote:

Namaste,

 

A woman that I work with is working on a school paper, the subject is

tattoos in America, Polynesia and in Hinduism.

 

We both found a single article that mentions tattoos and Hinduism,

but nothing else.

 

I am unfamiliar with tattoos related to Hinduism and was originally

skeptical of any link there, but that one article did lend some

credence to the connection.

 

Does anyone in this forum have any other resources or ideas on this.

 

I am not looking for information on the fact that many modern

westerners choose Hindu symbols for their tattoos. There's a lot on

that too.

 

I deeply appreciate your help.

 

Blessings,

 

pr

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste !

 

You write

 

" i think tattoos have no tradition in india."

 

Not true. In the olden days , this custom was prevalent in royal

families. When a child was born, it was customary to draw a tatoo on

any part of the child's body so that in case the child got

kidnapped , it would be easier to identify the child when found. This

was because of rivalry among different clans and there was a;ways a

threat to male heir to the throne being kidnapped.

 

In sree Vaishnavism, also , the daughter-in-0law of the house has to

have "shankuchakkram" (symbiols of lord Vishnu) tattoed on her arms

and then only the orthodox mother0in0law will allow the daughter0in-

law to cook in the family kitchen. A fading custom but still

prevalent in Sri Rangam.

 

of course, the gypsies ( kurathis) as they are called in south india

and the nomadic tribes in Rajasthan called LOHARINS (the iron

workers)- body piercing and tattoing was very common.

 

While we can blame many things on islamic invasion, i don;t think we

can blame the moghuls for this.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, raw_mango <raw_mango>

wrote:

> I think tattoos have no tradition in India.

> My opinion is based on the fact that when one gets a tattoo, the

needle penetrates the skin. This is a violation of purity rules of

Hinduism, I am sure.

> For instance, people in India never wore clothes that were

penetrated by needles or cut by scissors until the time when the

Muslims had become a force in the cultural life of India. This was

because the material would have become ritually impure had it

been "violated" by a needle or a scissor. So people wore only drapped

cloth until they came in contact with the tailored cloth of the

Muslim invaders.

> When this holds true for cloth, it should also hold true for the

human body.

> So I think there cannot be a tradition of making tattoos in India.

> The only possibility of a tattoo-tradition in India would be among

Adivasis (tribal people), Dalits, and out-cast.

>

> prainbow61 <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> A woman that I work with is working on a school paper, the subject

is

> tattoos in America, Polynesia and in Hinduism.

>

> We both found a single article that mentions tattoos and Hinduism,

> but nothing else.

>

> I am unfamiliar with tattoos related to Hinduism and was originally

> skeptical of any link there, but that one article did lend some

> credence to the connection.

>

> Does anyone in this forum have any other resources or ideas on

this.

>

> I am not looking for information on the fact that many modern

> westerners choose Hindu symbols for their tattoos. There's a lot on

> that too.

>

> I deeply appreciate your help.

>

> Blessings,

>

> pr

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Namaste,

 

The woman and I found this article:

 

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2001/7-8/38-41_tatoo.shtml

 

Which says in part:

"Among the most devoutly tattooed groups anywhere is the community of

Ramnaamis. Scattered across the Indian states of Bihar and Madhya

Pradesh, this sect of untouchables found refuge from harm in their

distinctive tattoos the name "Ram" repeated in Sanskrit on

practically every inch of skin, even on the tongue and inside the

lips. Ramnaamis began their extraordinary custom during the Hindu

reformist movement of the 19th century when they angered the upper-

caste brahmins by adopting brahminical customs. To protect themselves

against the brahmins' wrath, the Ramnaamis tattooed the name of Lord

Ram on their bodies. About 1,500 strong today, the Ramnaami community

still practices this painful rite, which is as much a demonstration

of devotion as a talisman against persecution.

 

"… Some of the most elaborate tattoo patterns anywhere are on the

women of the Ribari tribe of Kutch, the very region in northwest

India just devastated by an earthquake. It is one of the places to

which the Pandavas were exiled during the Mahabharata. The members of

the nomadic Ribari tribe live as their ancestors did; their tattoos

being tangible symbols of the people's strong spirit and concern with

faith and survival."

 

Namaste,

 

pr

 

 

, SophiasDream@a... wrote:

> is there no population in india or any hindu country which has

tattoos? is there no justification under any form of hinduism nor

history for this art form? are you saying in the history of india,

nobody has ever had tattoos, and that the origin of this is totally

from other origins? i find that very hard to believe, but if you

insist it is so, who am i to argue ...

>

> peace, love and poetic license,

> cathie

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pr, you beat me to it, but I was just about to say I saw a picture

in National Geographic many years ago of an old woman near the

headwaters of the Ganges who had "Rama Rama Rama Rama....." tattooed

all over her face.

 

, "prainbow61" <paulie-

rainbow@u...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> The woman and I found this article:

>

> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2001/7-8/38-41_tatoo.shtml

>

> Which says in part:

> "Among the most devoutly tattooed groups anywhere is the community

of

> Ramnaamis. Scattered across the Indian states of Bihar and Madhya

> Pradesh, this sect of untouchables found refuge from harm in their

> distinctive tattoos the name "Ram" repeated in Sanskrit on

> practically every inch of skin, even on the tongue and inside the

> lips. Ramnaamis began their extraordinary custom during the Hindu

> reformist movement of the 19th century when they angered the upper-

> caste brahmins by adopting brahminical customs. To protect

themselves

> against the brahmins' wrath, the Ramnaamis tattooed the name of

Lord

> Ram on their bodies. About 1,500 strong today, the Ramnaami

community

> still practices this painful rite, which is as much a

demonstration

> of devotion as a talisman against persecution.

>

> "… Some of the most elaborate tattoo patterns anywhere are on the

> women of the Ribari tribe of Kutch, the very region in northwest

> India just devastated by an earthquake. It is one of the places to

> which the Pandavas were exiled during the Mahabharata. The members

of

> the nomadic Ribari tribe live as their ancestors did; their

tattoos

> being tangible symbols of the people's strong spirit and concern

with

> faith and survival."

>

> Namaste,

>

> pr

>

>

> , SophiasDream@a... wrote:

> > is there no population in india or any hindu country which has

> tattoos? is there no justification under any form of hinduism nor

> history for this art form? are you saying in the history of

india,

> nobody has ever had tattoos, and that the origin of this is

totally

> from other origins? i find that very hard to believe, but if you

> insist it is so, who am i to argue ...

> >

> > peace, love and poetic license,

> > cathie

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Just off the top of my head, I would try to research tattoos in India, Pakistan,

and other countries with substantial Hindu populations, and see what the

connection might be with Hinduism. It may be cultural, rather than religious.

 

hth,

Kay

 

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prainbow61

Monday, September 22, 2003 3:26 PM

hinduism and tattoos

 

 

Namaste,

 

A woman that I work with is working on a school paper, the subject is

tattoos in America, Polynesia and in Hinduism.

 

We both found a single article that mentions tattoos and Hinduism,

but nothing else.

 

I am unfamiliar with tattoos related to Hinduism and was originally

skeptical of any link there, but that one article did lend some

credence to the connection.

 

Does anyone in this forum have any other resources or ideas on this.

 

I am not looking for information on the fact that many modern

westerners choose Hindu symbols for their tattoos. There's a lot on

that too.

 

I deeply appreciate your help.

 

Blessings,

 

pr

 

 

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I have seen photographs of tribal and low-casre women in India with

tattoos on their faces. One woman had "Ram" in Sanskrit repeated all

over her face!

 

Naturally, the higher castes wouldn't indulge in such practices. Bit

those who had lost caste (like Tantrik practitioners) might.

 

Some skin markings don't involve piercing the skin. Note the popularity

(in both East and West) of <mehendi>, where the skin is dyed with henna

paste. These "tattoos" aren't permanemnt, but they often last for

several weeks.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

On Mon, 22 Sep 2003 13:53:31 -0700 (PDT) raw_mango <raw_mango

writes:

> I think tattoos have no tradition in India.

> My opinion is based on the fact that when one gets a tattoo, the

> needle penetrates the skin. This is a violation of purity rules of

> Hinduism, I am sure.

> For instance, people in India never wore clothes that were

> penetrated by needles or cut by scissors until the time when the

> Muslims had become a force in the cultural life of India. This was

> because the material would have become ritually impure had it been

> "violated" by a needle or a scissor. So people wore only drapped

> cloth until they came in contact with the tailored cloth of the

> Muslim invaders.

> When this holds true for cloth, it should also hold true for the

> human body.

> So I think there cannot be a tradition of making tattoos in India.

> The only possibility of a tattoo-tradition in India would be among

> Adivasis (tribal people), Dalits, and out-cast.

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaskar,

You are right, in the saurashtra regionof Gujarat, many ladies & gents have

tatoos made on their hand.

The cast called Rabari , Bahrvad & Charan they ,make such tatoos in ther hands.

In the olden days such tatoos were made in their childhood time duirng some

melas( fairs), now in the young generartion the tatoos are rare.

But if they make its for fun.

Regards

dhiren pania

 

peNkaLai_kâtalikkiRên <penkatali wrote:

peNkaLai_kâtalikkiRên

 

Tue, 23 Sep 2003 00:35:54 -0000

Re: hinduism and tattoos

 

pr, you beat me to it, but I was just about to say I saw a picture

in National Geographic many years ago of an old woman near the

headwaters of the Ganges who had "Rama Rama Rama Rama....." tattooed

all over her face.

 

, "prainbow61" <paulie-

rainbow@u...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> The woman and I found this article:

>

> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2001/7-8/38-41_tatoo.shtml

>

> Which says in part:

> "Among the most devoutly tattooed groups anywhere is the community

of

> Ramnaamis. Scattered across the Indian states of Bihar and Madhya

> Pradesh, this sect of untouchables found refuge from harm in their

> distinctive tattoos the name "Ram" repeated in Sanskrit on

> practically every inch of skin, even on the tongue and inside the

> lips. Ramnaamis began their extraordinary custom during the Hindu

> reformist movement of the 19th century when they angered the upper-

> caste brahmins by adopting brahminical customs. To protect

themselves

> against the brahmins' wrath, the Ramnaamis tattooed the name of

Lord

> Ram on their bodies. About 1,500 strong today, the Ramnaami

community

> still practices this painful rite, which is as much a

demonstration

> of devotion as a talisman against persecution.

>

> "… Some of the most elaborate tattoo patterns anywhere are on the

> women of the Ribari tribe of Kutch, the very region in northwest

> India just devastated by an earthquake. It is one of the places to

> which the Pandavas were exiled during the Mahabharata. The members

of

> the nomadic Ribari tribe live as their ancestors did; their

tattoos

> being tangible symbols of the people's strong spirit and concern

with

> faith and survival."

>

> Namaste,

>

> pr

>

>

> , SophiasDream@a... wrote:

> > is there no population in india or any hindu country which has

> tattoos? is there no justification under any form of hinduism nor

> history for this art form? are you saying in the history of

india,

> nobody has ever had tattoos, and that the origin of this is

totally

> from other origins? i find that very hard to believe, but if you

> insist it is so, who am i to argue ...

> >

> > peace, love and poetic license,

> > cathie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have a book on order from Amazon about the Ramnamis

titled, "Rapt in the Name." I'll report on it when I

get it and can take a look.

 

Jai Kaalii Maa

--Jami

 

 

--- peNkaLai_kâtalikkiRên <penkatali wrote:

> pr, you beat me to it, but I was just about to say I

> saw a picture

> in National Geographic many years ago of an old

> woman near the

> headwaters of the Ganges who had "Rama Rama Rama

> Rama....." tattooed

> all over her face.

>

> , "prainbow61"

> <paulie-

> rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > The woman and I found this article:

> >

> >

>

http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2001/7-8/38-41_tatoo.shtml

> >

> > Which says in part:

> > "Among the most devoutly tattooed groups anywhere

> is the community

> of

> > Ramnaamis. Scattered across the Indian states of

> Bihar and Madhya

> > Pradesh, this sect of untouchables found refuge

> from harm in their

> > distinctive tattoos the name "Ram" repeated in

> Sanskrit on

> > practically every inch of skin, even on the tongue

> and inside the

> > lips. Ramnaamis began their extraordinary custom

> during the Hindu

> > reformist movement of the 19th century when they

> angered the upper-

> > caste brahmins by adopting brahminical customs. To

> protect

> themselves

> > against the brahmins' wrath, the Ramnaamis

> tattooed the name of

> Lord

> > Ram on their bodies. About 1,500 strong today, the

> Ramnaami

> community

> > still practices this painful rite, which is as

> much a

> demonstration

> > of devotion as a talisman against persecution.

> >

> > "… Some of the most elaborate tattoo patterns

> anywhere are on the

> > women of the Ribari tribe of Kutch, the very

> region in northwest

> > India just devastated by an earthquake. It is one

> of the places to

> > which the Pandavas were exiled during the

> Mahabharata. The members

> of

> > the nomadic Ribari tribe live as their ancestors

> did; their

> tattoos

> > being tangible symbols of the people's strong

> spirit and concern

> with

> > faith and survival."

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > pr

> >

> >

> > ,

> SophiasDream@a... wrote:

> > > is there no population in india or any hindu

> country which has

> > tattoos? is there no justification under any form

> of hinduism nor

> > history for this art form? are you saying in the

> history of

> india,

> > nobody has ever had tattoos, and that the origin

> of this is

> totally

> > from other origins? i find that very hard to

> believe, but if you

> > insist it is so, who am i to argue ...

> > >

> > > peace, love and poetic license,

> > > cathie

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

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Namaste,

 

I just want to thank everyone who has given feedback on this. It is

so fascinating and really expanding my thoughts and understanding

about the incredible breadth of Indian culture(s).

 

I wish that I could go back to India. I never lose my awe, my

surprise, my curiosity about her.

 

prainbow

 

, Jami Blakeley <jami108>

wrote:

> I have a book on order from Amazon about the Ramnamis

> titled, "Rapt in the Name." I'll report on it when I

> get it and can take a look.

>

> Jai Kaalii Maa

> --Jami

>

>

> --- peNkaLai_kâtalikkiRên <penkatali> wrote:

> > pr, you beat me to it, but I was just about to say I

> > saw a picture

> > in National Geographic many years ago of an old

> > woman near the

> > headwaters of the Ganges who had "Rama Rama Rama

> > Rama....." tattooed

> > all over her face.

> >

> > , "prainbow61"

> > <paulie-

> > rainbow@u...> wrote:

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > The woman and I found this article:

> > >

> > >

> >

> http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/2001/7-8/38-41_tatoo.shtml

> > >

> > > Which says in part:

> > > "Among the most devoutly tattooed groups anywhere

> > is the community

> > of

> > > Ramnaamis. Scattered across the Indian states of

> > Bihar and Madhya

> > > Pradesh, this sect of untouchables found refuge

> > from harm in their

> > > distinctive tattoos the name "Ram" repeated in

> > Sanskrit on

> > > practically every inch of skin, even on the tongue

> > and inside the

> > > lips. Ramnaamis began their extraordinary custom

> > during the Hindu

> > > reformist movement of the 19th century when they

> > angered the upper-

> > > caste brahmins by adopting brahminical customs. To

> > protect

> > themselves

> > > against the brahmins' wrath, the Ramnaamis

> > tattooed the name of

> > Lord

> > > Ram on their bodies. About 1,500 strong today, the

> > Ramnaami

> > community

> > > still practices this painful rite, which is as

> > much a

> > demonstration

> > > of devotion as a talisman against persecution.

> > >

> > > "… Some of the most elaborate tattoo patterns

> > anywhere are on the

> > > women of the Ribari tribe of Kutch, the very

> > region in northwest

> > > India just devastated by an earthquake. It is one

> > of the places to

> > > which the Pandavas were exiled during the

> > Mahabharata. The members

> > of

> > > the nomadic Ribari tribe live as their ancestors

> > did; their

> > tattoos

> > > being tangible symbols of the people's strong

> > spirit and concern

> > with

> > > faith and survival."

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > pr

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> > SophiasDream@a... wrote:

> > > > is there no population in india or any hindu

> > country which has

> > > tattoos? is there no justification under any form

> > of hinduism nor

> > > history for this art form? are you saying in the

> > history of

> > india,

> > > nobody has ever had tattoos, and that the origin

> > of this is

> > totally

> > > from other origins? i find that very hard to

> > believe, but if you

> > > insist it is so, who am i to argue ...

> > > >

> > > > peace, love and poetic license,

> > > > cathie

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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