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Hmmm...here's a question for y'all. I've been using a libation bowl

(which is pagan and silver), but...I've never found the sort that

I've always wanted! So, I shall descivbe it below. And, would like

to know if anyone's ever seen anything like it, or knows anyone who

might be skilled enough to make it...

 

The easiest way for me to describe it, off the bat, would be as

resembling one of those chip=and-dip bowls, with one of those bowl

inserts for dip, or...one of those platters which can hold a bowl of

dip and various vegitables, etc... The reason for this is so that I

can place the cakes in the centre, round, area (where one might place

a bowl of dip. And, pour the libation in the surrounding area, just

so I don't have to always combine the two in one bowl for libation.

Ummm...does that make sense? Anyhoo...it'd have to be made of silver

(to match my chalice and athame) with a pentacle engraves in the bowl-

insert section, and...perhaps som,ething written in Theban in the

area ment for the pouring of libation (the wine). But, yet,

approriate enough in size to sit on an altar. And, for asthetics,

the libation "outer ring" portion of it to be sectioned off

(courtered and cross-courtered) so that they only reach half the

height of the bowl. So that when you're pouring something into the

bowl it would run-off into the alther "sectionas". Not only would

this mirror the Great Wheel, but...it is naturally a similar shape to

many such platters that I have seen at festivities. Ummm...did

anyone have trouble picturing this? LOL...

 

Frankly, I'm surprised that I have never seen such libation bowls (at

least on-line, specially made *for* Pagans) which resemble what I

have described. Rather, they are just a silver bowl (period) with a

pentacle engraved upon the inner-bottom of said "bowl".

 

In service of The Goddess,

Wade MacMorrighan

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Hello,

 

What an interesting posting.

 

Tell me please, in order to give me more of an overall impression,

what is the historical origin of your libation bowl?

 

Many thanks,

 

m6

 

 

, "WiccanWade"

<WiccanWade1977@H...> wrote:

> Hmmm...here's a question for y'all. I've been using a libation

bowl

> (which is pagan and silver), but...I've never found the sort that

> I've always wanted! So, I shall descivbe it below. And, would

like

> to know if anyone's ever seen anything like it, or knows anyone who

> might be skilled enough to make it...

>

> The easiest way for me to describe it, off the bat, would be as

> resembling one of those chip=and-dip bowls, with one of those bowl

> inserts for dip, or...one of those platters which can hold a bowl

of

> dip and various vegitables, etc... The reason for this is so that

I

> can place the cakes in the centre, round, area (where one might

place

> a bowl of dip. And, pour the libation in the surrounding area,

just

> so I don't have to always combine the two in one bowl for

libation.

> Ummm...does that make sense? Anyhoo...it'd have to be made of

silver

> (to match my chalice and athame) with a pentacle engraves in the

bowl-

> insert section, and...perhaps som,ething written in Theban in the

> area ment for the pouring of libation (the wine). But, yet,

> approriate enough in size to sit on an altar. And, for asthetics,

> the libation "outer ring" portion of it to be sectioned off

> (courtered and cross-courtered) so that they only reach half the

> height of the bowl. So that when you're pouring something into the

> bowl it would run-off into the alther "sectionas". Not only would

> this mirror the Great Wheel, but...it is naturally a similar shape

to

> many such platters that I have seen at festivities. Ummm...did

> anyone have trouble picturing this? LOL...

>

> Frankly, I'm surprised that I have never seen such libation bowls

(at

> least on-line, specially made *for* Pagans) which resemble what I

> have described. Rather, they are just a silver bowl (period) with

a

> pentacle engraved upon the inner-bottom of said "bowl".

>

> In service of The Goddess,

> Wade MacMorrighan

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Namaste,

 

I found a reference to 'Kuber', and a wine cup, possessed by Devi -

can anyone add to this, please?

 

 

http://www.the-south-asian.com/Dec2001/Sakti%20-%20Mother%20Goddess%

202.htm

 

m6

 

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> "Ummm...did anyone have trouble picturing this? LOL..."

>

> I do !!!!! LOL.

>

> Maybe if you do have a rough sketch of what you actually looking

for,

> it does help.

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Namaste,

 

I discovered that Kuber, or Kubera, is the god of wealth ... he

carries a bowl in one hand and a money-bag in the other. He is also

called the god of Yakshas (savage beings)...

 

Presumably the 'bowl' is also the wine-drinking vessel?

 

Yakshas appear to be pre-Vedic 'dwarves', so what have we here?

 

Is wine drinking an incredibly ancient tradition in India, which was

disproved of in Brahmic times?

 

Perhaps Gerald Gardiner was right all along - in celebrating his own

version of Shiva-Shaktism with wine: a tradition which he may well

have brought to the West from India?

 

I am all unknowing - someone enlighten me, please!

 

:-/

 

m6

 

 

, "m6" <megalith6@h...> wrote:

> Namaste,

>

> I found a reference to 'Kuber', and a wine cup, possessed by Devi -

> can anyone add to this, please?

>

>

> http://www.the-south-asian.com/Dec2001/Sakti%20-%20Mother%20Goddess%

> 202.htm

>

> m6

>

>

> , "N. Madasamy"

> <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> > "Ummm...did anyone have trouble picturing this? LOL..."

> >

> > I do !!!!! LOL.

> >

> > Maybe if you do have a rough sketch of what you actually looking

> for,

> > it does help.

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Kubera is the Treasurer of the Devas, the God of gemstones. He may may

have given Durga a winecup (undoubtedly encrusted with precious stones!).

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:08:52 -0000 "m6" <megalith6 writes:

> Namaste,

>

> I found a reference to 'Kuber', and a wine cup, possessed by Devi -

> can anyone add to this, please?

>

>

> http://www.the-south-asian.com/Dec2001/Sakti%20-%20Mother%20Goddess%

> 202.htm

>

 

 

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On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:27:10 -0000 "m6" <megalith6 writes:

> Namaste,

>

> I discovered that Kuber, or Kubera, is the god of wealth ... he

> carries a bowl in one hand and a money-bag in the other.

 

Sometimes, instead of a money-bag, he holds a mongoose which spits up

gemstones (better than hairballs!).

 

He is also

> called the god of Yakshas (savage beings)...

>

> Presumably the 'bowl' is also the wine-drinking vessel?

>

> Yakshas appear to be pre-Vedic 'dwarves', so what have we here?

 

The males dig up treasures from the earth. The females wake up trees in

the springtime, kicking them to make them blossom.

>

> Is wine drinking an incredibly ancient tradition in India, which was

disproved of in Brahmic times?

 

Only the higher castes had taboos against drinking alcohol. And Soma was

a popular inebriating beverage during the vedic period (some think it was

derived from the Amanita mushroom).

>

> Perhaps Gerald Gardiner was right all along - in celebrating his own

>

> version of Shiva-Shaktism with wine: a tradition which he may well

> have brought to the West from India?

 

Duh! Tantric ritual uses wine as a sacrament. Parvati is shown holding

a datura flower, her son Ganesha often holds the datura fruit (all

hallucinogenic). Kali and Durga often drink wine while in batlle frenzy.

If not wine, then the blood of their enemies.

 

-- Len/ Kalipadma

 

 

 

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Len/ Kalipadma,

 

Thank you for your several postings -

 

, kalipadma@j... wrote:

>

>

> On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:27:10 -0000 "m6" <megalith6@h...> writes:

> > Namaste,

> >

> > I discovered that Kuber, or Kubera, is the god of wealth ... he

> > carries a bowl in one hand and a money-bag in the other.

>

> Sometimes, instead of a money-bag, he holds a mongoose which spits

up

> gemstones (better than hairballs!).

 

 

Yes, I've seen the association of material riches with chthonic

deities elsewhere, as well. There is a relief sculpture from Reims

(circa 2nd century CE) showing an erstwhile horned Kernunnos figure,

seated in 'Buddhic' posture, holding a purse of coins, and associated

with other horned animals, together with [earth-burrowing] rat.

>

> He is also

> > called the god of Yakshas (savage beings)...

> >

> > Presumably the 'bowl' is also the wine-drinking vessel?

> >

> > Yakshas appear to be pre-Vedic 'dwarves', so what have we here?

>

> The males dig up treasures from the earth. The females wake up

trees in

> the springtime, kicking them to make them blossom.

 

 

There is a parallel, then, with occidental dwarves and dryads?

>

> >

> > Is wine drinking an incredibly ancient tradition in India, which

was

> disproved of in Brahmic times?

>

> Only the higher castes had taboos against drinking alcohol.

 

 

Then there must have been some form of ideological schism, at some

point in time - but why?

 

 

And Soma was

> a popular inebriating beverage during the vedic period (some think

it was

> derived from the Amanita mushroom).

 

 

Imbibing Soma - whatever this entailed or was - appears to have

fallen out of

favour - I wonder if this was contemporary with the brahmic ban on

alcohol/wine?

 

>

> >

> > Perhaps Gerald Gardiner was right all along - in celebrating his

own

> >

> > version of Shiva-Shaktism with wine: a tradition which he may

well

> > have brought to the West from India?

 

>

> Duh! Tantric ritual uses wine as a sacrament. Parvati is shown

holding

> a datura flower, her son Ganesha often holds the datura fruit (all

> hallucinogenic). Kali and Durga often drink wine while in battle

frenzy.

> If not wine, then the blood of their enemies.

 

 

Which is not to say that the objects these blessed deities hold are

not purely symbolic in meaning, as in the 'slaying of a demon' can

symbolise the subjugation of one's ego . . .

 

That actual wine 'aught' to be used, is a matter of some debate; some

see 'wine' as a metaphor (or code) for a spiritual substance,

something intrinsically subjective.

>

> -- Len/ Kalipadma

>

 

Well, 'Duh!' indeed - whatever the meaning may be.

>

 

Jai Ma -

 

m6

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