Guest guest Posted October 14, 2003 Report Share Posted October 14, 2003 Hmmm...here's a question for y'all. I've been using a libation bowl (which is pagan and silver), but...I've never found the sort that I've always wanted! So, I shall descivbe it below. And, would like to know if anyone's ever seen anything like it, or knows anyone who might be skilled enough to make it... The easiest way for me to describe it, off the bat, would be as resembling one of those chip=and-dip bowls, with one of those bowl inserts for dip, or...one of those platters which can hold a bowl of dip and various vegitables, etc... The reason for this is so that I can place the cakes in the centre, round, area (where one might place a bowl of dip. And, pour the libation in the surrounding area, just so I don't have to always combine the two in one bowl for libation. Ummm...does that make sense? Anyhoo...it'd have to be made of silver (to match my chalice and athame) with a pentacle engraves in the bowl- insert section, and...perhaps som,ething written in Theban in the area ment for the pouring of libation (the wine). But, yet, approriate enough in size to sit on an altar. And, for asthetics, the libation "outer ring" portion of it to be sectioned off (courtered and cross-courtered) so that they only reach half the height of the bowl. So that when you're pouring something into the bowl it would run-off into the alther "sectionas". Not only would this mirror the Great Wheel, but...it is naturally a similar shape to many such platters that I have seen at festivities. Ummm...did anyone have trouble picturing this? LOL... Frankly, I'm surprised that I have never seen such libation bowls (at least on-line, specially made *for* Pagans) which resemble what I have described. Rather, they are just a silver bowl (period) with a pentacle engraved upon the inner-bottom of said "bowl". In service of The Goddess, Wade MacMorrighan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 Hello, What an interesting posting. Tell me please, in order to give me more of an overall impression, what is the historical origin of your libation bowl? Many thanks, m6 , "WiccanWade" <WiccanWade1977@H...> wrote: > Hmmm...here's a question for y'all. I've been using a libation bowl > (which is pagan and silver), but...I've never found the sort that > I've always wanted! So, I shall descivbe it below. And, would like > to know if anyone's ever seen anything like it, or knows anyone who > might be skilled enough to make it... > > The easiest way for me to describe it, off the bat, would be as > resembling one of those chip=and-dip bowls, with one of those bowl > inserts for dip, or...one of those platters which can hold a bowl of > dip and various vegitables, etc... The reason for this is so that I > can place the cakes in the centre, round, area (where one might place > a bowl of dip. And, pour the libation in the surrounding area, just > so I don't have to always combine the two in one bowl for libation. > Ummm...does that make sense? Anyhoo...it'd have to be made of silver > (to match my chalice and athame) with a pentacle engraves in the bowl- > insert section, and...perhaps som,ething written in Theban in the > area ment for the pouring of libation (the wine). But, yet, > approriate enough in size to sit on an altar. And, for asthetics, > the libation "outer ring" portion of it to be sectioned off > (courtered and cross-courtered) so that they only reach half the > height of the bowl. So that when you're pouring something into the > bowl it would run-off into the alther "sectionas". Not only would > this mirror the Great Wheel, but...it is naturally a similar shape to > many such platters that I have seen at festivities. Ummm...did > anyone have trouble picturing this? LOL... > > Frankly, I'm surprised that I have never seen such libation bowls (at > least on-line, specially made *for* Pagans) which resemble what I > have described. Rather, they are just a silver bowl (period) with a > pentacle engraved upon the inner-bottom of said "bowl". > > In service of The Goddess, > Wade MacMorrighan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2003 Report Share Posted October 15, 2003 "Ummm...did anyone have trouble picturing this? LOL..." I do !!!!! LOL. Maybe if you do have a rough sketch of what you actually looking for, it does help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 Namaste, I found a reference to 'Kuber', and a wine cup, possessed by Devi - can anyone add to this, please? http://www.the-south-asian.com/Dec2001/Sakti%20-%20Mother%20Goddess% 202.htm m6 , "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > "Ummm...did anyone have trouble picturing this? LOL..." > > I do !!!!! LOL. > > Maybe if you do have a rough sketch of what you actually looking for, > it does help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 Namaste, I discovered that Kuber, or Kubera, is the god of wealth ... he carries a bowl in one hand and a money-bag in the other. He is also called the god of Yakshas (savage beings)... Presumably the 'bowl' is also the wine-drinking vessel? Yakshas appear to be pre-Vedic 'dwarves', so what have we here? Is wine drinking an incredibly ancient tradition in India, which was disproved of in Brahmic times? Perhaps Gerald Gardiner was right all along - in celebrating his own version of Shiva-Shaktism with wine: a tradition which he may well have brought to the West from India? I am all unknowing - someone enlighten me, please! :-/ m6 , "m6" <megalith6@h...> wrote: > Namaste, > > I found a reference to 'Kuber', and a wine cup, possessed by Devi - > can anyone add to this, please? > > > http://www.the-south-asian.com/Dec2001/Sakti%20-%20Mother%20Goddess% > 202.htm > > m6 > > > , "N. Madasamy" > <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > > "Ummm...did anyone have trouble picturing this? LOL..." > > > > I do !!!!! LOL. > > > > Maybe if you do have a rough sketch of what you actually looking > for, > > it does help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Kubera is the Treasurer of the Devas, the God of gemstones. He may may have given Durga a winecup (undoubtedly encrusted with precious stones!). -- Len/ Kalipadma On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:08:52 -0000 "m6" <megalith6 writes: > Namaste, > > I found a reference to 'Kuber', and a wine cup, possessed by Devi - > can anyone add to this, please? > > > http://www.the-south-asian.com/Dec2001/Sakti%20-%20Mother%20Goddess% > 202.htm > ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:27:10 -0000 "m6" <megalith6 writes: > Namaste, > > I discovered that Kuber, or Kubera, is the god of wealth ... he > carries a bowl in one hand and a money-bag in the other. Sometimes, instead of a money-bag, he holds a mongoose which spits up gemstones (better than hairballs!). He is also > called the god of Yakshas (savage beings)... > > Presumably the 'bowl' is also the wine-drinking vessel? > > Yakshas appear to be pre-Vedic 'dwarves', so what have we here? The males dig up treasures from the earth. The females wake up trees in the springtime, kicking them to make them blossom. > > Is wine drinking an incredibly ancient tradition in India, which was disproved of in Brahmic times? Only the higher castes had taboos against drinking alcohol. And Soma was a popular inebriating beverage during the vedic period (some think it was derived from the Amanita mushroom). > > Perhaps Gerald Gardiner was right all along - in celebrating his own > > version of Shiva-Shaktism with wine: a tradition which he may well > have brought to the West from India? Duh! Tantric ritual uses wine as a sacrament. Parvati is shown holding a datura flower, her son Ganesha often holds the datura fruit (all hallucinogenic). Kali and Durga often drink wine while in batlle frenzy. If not wine, then the blood of their enemies. -- Len/ Kalipadma ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Len/ Kalipadma, Thank you for your several postings - , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > > On Sat, 25 Oct 2003 00:27:10 -0000 "m6" <megalith6@h...> writes: > > Namaste, > > > > I discovered that Kuber, or Kubera, is the god of wealth ... he > > carries a bowl in one hand and a money-bag in the other. > > Sometimes, instead of a money-bag, he holds a mongoose which spits up > gemstones (better than hairballs!). Yes, I've seen the association of material riches with chthonic deities elsewhere, as well. There is a relief sculpture from Reims (circa 2nd century CE) showing an erstwhile horned Kernunnos figure, seated in 'Buddhic' posture, holding a purse of coins, and associated with other horned animals, together with [earth-burrowing] rat. > > He is also > > called the god of Yakshas (savage beings)... > > > > Presumably the 'bowl' is also the wine-drinking vessel? > > > > Yakshas appear to be pre-Vedic 'dwarves', so what have we here? > > The males dig up treasures from the earth. The females wake up trees in > the springtime, kicking them to make them blossom. There is a parallel, then, with occidental dwarves and dryads? > > > > > Is wine drinking an incredibly ancient tradition in India, which was > disproved of in Brahmic times? > > Only the higher castes had taboos against drinking alcohol. Then there must have been some form of ideological schism, at some point in time - but why? And Soma was > a popular inebriating beverage during the vedic period (some think it was > derived from the Amanita mushroom). Imbibing Soma - whatever this entailed or was - appears to have fallen out of favour - I wonder if this was contemporary with the brahmic ban on alcohol/wine? > > > > > Perhaps Gerald Gardiner was right all along - in celebrating his own > > > > version of Shiva-Shaktism with wine: a tradition which he may well > > have brought to the West from India? > > Duh! Tantric ritual uses wine as a sacrament. Parvati is shown holding > a datura flower, her son Ganesha often holds the datura fruit (all > hallucinogenic). Kali and Durga often drink wine while in battle frenzy. > If not wine, then the blood of their enemies. Which is not to say that the objects these blessed deities hold are not purely symbolic in meaning, as in the 'slaying of a demon' can symbolise the subjugation of one's ego . . . That actual wine 'aught' to be used, is a matter of some debate; some see 'wine' as a metaphor (or code) for a spiritual substance, something intrinsically subjective. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > Well, 'Duh!' indeed - whatever the meaning may be. > Jai Ma - m6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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