Guest guest Posted October 22, 2003 Report Share Posted October 22, 2003 Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy Name or seed mantra of Ma Kali? Thank you in advance, Robert Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 Any one can. Everyone can do mantra japa also.(Though there are lil rules as to what mantras one shoud chant and shouldnt chant). Brahmins at one time used to eat meat, though it is against dharma now. Rgds SA. >, "drekiuk" <drekiuk> wrote: > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy Name or > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > Thank you in advance, > Robert Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 23, 2003 Report Share Posted October 23, 2003 refer to Bali's conversation after he was shot by Rama; and various references in Mahaa Bharata. Meat eating is not taboo. It later came in to control the progress of Budhism - I think. Satish Arigela <satisharigela wrote:Any one can. Everyone can do mantra japa also.(Though there are lil rules as to what mantras one shoud chant and shouldnt chant). Brahmins at one time used to eat meat, though it is against dharma now. Rgds SA. >, "drekiuk" <drekiuk> wrote: > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy Name or > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > Thank you in advance, > Robert Reid. The New with improved product search Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 What Kali Mantra can I use for japa that does not require initiation from a Guru? Thank you, Robert Reid. , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > Any one can. Everyone can do mantra japa also.(Though there are lil > rules as to what mantras one shoud chant and shouldnt chant). > > Brahmins at one time used to eat meat, though it is against dharma > now. > Rgds > SA. > > >, "drekiuk" <drekiuk> > wrote: > > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy Name or > > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > > > Thank you in advance, > > Robert Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 Every mantra requires initiation. Shlokas and most Sahasranamas(1008 names), Ashtottaras(108 names) do not require initiation. Chanting of any name of Kali does not have any prerequisite. Japa of any mantra should be done only after taking it formally from a Guru. Rgds SA. , "drekiuk" <drekiuk> wrote: > > What Kali Mantra can I use for japa that does not require initiation > from a Guru? > > Thank you, > Robert Reid. > > > , "Satish Arigela" > <satisharigela> wrote: > > Any one can. Everyone can do mantra japa also.(Though there are > lil > > rules as to what mantras one shoud chant and shouldnt chant). > > > > Brahmins at one time used to eat meat, though it is against dharma > > now. > > Rgds > > SA. > > > > >, "drekiuk" <drekiuk> > > wrote: > > > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy Name > or > > > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > Robert Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 I;ve been told (by some Hindus) that a Westerner attracted to Hindu practices will be reborn as a Hindu, and thus able to work out his karma appropriately. Not all Hindus are vegetarian. But Bhumi Mata (Mother Earth) is symbolized by the cow, so beef is avoided by all Hindus. Kali-ma has been reinterpreted by many Westerners -- feminists, Wiccans, Goths, et al. Are you sure you're worshipping her in a Hindu style? -- Len/ Kalipadma On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:59:14 -0000 "drekiuk" <drekiuk writes: > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy Name or > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > Thank you in advance, > Robert Reid. > ______________ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2003 Report Share Posted October 24, 2003 OM Satish Arigela Initiation by an authentic Guru involves the Guru elevating the Kundalini of the aspirant as high as the aspirant is capable of withstanding at the time. This initiation may or may occur under the auspices of introducing the aspirant to his/her Mantra. The aspirant experiences the Divine but is unable to hold that experience when the Guru withdraws his/her prana from the aspirant. However, the aspirant has been granted a vision of the Divine that resolves all doubts about the Divine, about his/her ability to realize the Divine and about the authenticity of the Guru. Moreover, there is now a seed vibration in the aspirant that meditation and japa can nourish to fruition. In the absence of an authentic Guru, one may still select a Mantra and practice japa with some hope of becoming Self-realized. The Mantra itself contains all the conditions for the aspirant to become Self-realized - Shakti, Bija Mantra, and a lock that prevents the aspirant from raising Kundalini until they are able to withstand its effects physically, psychologically and spiritually, that is, until all the koshas have been purified. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > Every mantra requires initiation. > > Shlokas and most Sahasranamas(1008 names), Ashtottaras(108 names) do > not require initiation. Chanting of any name of Kali does not have > any prerequisite. Japa of any mantra should be done only after taking > it formally from a Guru. > > Rgds > SA. > > > , "drekiuk" <drekiuk> wrote: > > > > What Kali Mantra can I use for japa that does not require > initiation > > from a Guru? > > > > Thank you, > > Robert Reid. > > > > > > , "Satish Arigela" > > <satisharigela> wrote: > > > Any one can. Everyone can do mantra japa also.(Though there are > > lil > > > rules as to what mantras one shoud chant and shouldnt chant). > > > > > > Brahmins at one time used to eat meat, though it is against > dharma > > > now. > > > Rgds > > > SA. > > > > > > >, "drekiuk" <drekiuk> > > > wrote: > > > > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy > Name > > or > > > > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > > > > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > > Robert Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Hello, I think Kali's already here, in the West - She is the Black Madonna, also known in France as Sara-la-Kali*, http://www.geocities.com/Paris/5121/stsm01.htm The word 'kali/kala' means 'black' and 'time', which is why she appears so frightening to those who do not know Her, since all life must pass in the context of Time: Kali is all-powerful. East or West, Kali Ma is best - surrender to Maa, know Her ultimate compassionate and nuturing grace, Kali will protect you, as a mother to its child . . . Jai Ma - m6 *I would say that 'Sara' is almost certainly a Christianised form of 'Tara', given Tara's penultimate position with regard to the ten MahaVidyas. Om Tara. , kalipadma@j... wrote: > I;ve been told (by some Hindus) that a Westerner attracted to Hindu > practices will be reborn as a Hindu, and thus able to work out his karma > appropriately. > > Not all Hindus are vegetarian. But Bhumi Mata (Mother Earth) is > symbolized by the cow, so beef is avoided by all Hindus. > > Kali-ma has been reinterpreted by many Westerners -- feminists, Wiccans, > Goths, et al. Are you sure you're worshipping her in a Hindu style? > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:59:14 -0000 "drekiuk" <drekiuk> > writes: > > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy Name or > > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > > > Thank you in advance, > > Robert Reid. > > > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2003 Report Share Posted October 25, 2003 Om Kalipadma One does not have to a Hindu to 'work out his karma appropriately. One does, however, need to follow some of the Hindu practices and develop some of the Hindu attitudes in order to become Self-realized; not because the practices and attitudes are Hindu but because they are universal practices and attitudes promoted by all religions and spiritual paths. Paths are many, Truth is One. One universal example is Patanjali's Astanga Yoga: 1. Yama ahimsa satya asteya aparigraha brahmacharya 2. Niyama soucha santosha tapas svadhyaya ishvaraprenidhana 3. Asana 4. Pranayama 5. Pratyahara 6. Dharana 7. Dhyana 8. Samadhi Om Namah Sivaya Omprem , kalipadma@j... wrote: > I;ve been told (by some Hindus) that a Westerner attracted to Hindu > practices will be reborn as a Hindu, and thus able to work out his karma > appropriately. > > Not all Hindus are vegetarian. But Bhumi Mata (Mother Earth) is > symbolized by the cow, so beef is avoided by all Hindus. > > Kali-ma has been reinterpreted by many Westerners -- feminists, Wiccans, > Goths, et al. Are you sure you're worshipping her in a Hindu style? > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 15:59:14 -0000 "drekiuk" <drekiuk> > writes: > > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy Name or > > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > > > Thank you in advance, > > Robert Reid. > > > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 What does "mleccha" mean, BTW? , "drekiuk" <drekiuk> wrote: > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy Name or > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > Thank you in advance, > Robert Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2003 Report Share Posted October 26, 2003 Can you please give me more context what you are looking for? That will help me focus the specific rather than giving you a general answer. Dr. Yadu , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > What does "mleccha" mean, BTW? > > , "drekiuk" > <drekiuk> wrote: > > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy > Name or > > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > > > Thank you in advance, > > Robert Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2003 Report Share Posted October 27, 2003 Hello: Thank you for your reply. I really have no idea what the word "mleccha" means, and in the context of the original post, I have been thinking that the phrase "meat eating mlecchas" may actually be making a commentary on the worthiness of those referred to by the phrase. For example, does it denote a lesser status, or something like that? , "ymoharir" <ymoharir> wrote: > Can you please give me more context what you are looking for? That > will help me focus the specific rather than giving you a general > answer. > > Dr. Yadu > > > , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> > wrote: > > What does "mleccha" mean, BTW? > > > > , "drekiuk" > > <drekiuk> wrote: > > > Can meat eating mlecchas attain Moksha by chanting the Holy > > Name or > > > seed mantra of Ma Kali? > > > > > > Thank you in advance, > > > Robert Reid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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