Guest guest Posted November 2, 2003 Report Share Posted November 2, 2003 93 In hindu history there was enough voilence... it is not so pacific as it is commonly thought However U are right, violence is not good at all. That is the point, never in history before violence was taken as \dharma\ - as it is now in political islam. Plz note, i have nothing against authentic islaam, i respect prophet Muhammad and holy Kur'an. There were not less saints in islaam than in christianity, judaism or hinduism. Political islamists spoil the face of this great revelation, they crookedly change the teaching of Kur'an... And it is our dharma to tell truth. We should fight against wrong IDEAS, not ppl. That terrorists - Yimach Shemo ve-Zichro - are not followers of Islaam althou they speculate on it... We should support Israel as one of two root religious centers of our civilization. The main Revelation took place in India and in Israel, as Veda and Torah... Love is the law, love under will. A. , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > I was not born a Hindu. What attracted me to Hinduism was its tradition > of ecumenicism and pacifism. The beauty of the art and culture didn't > hurt, either! > > I don't know that Shakti Sadhana List is the place to be ranting about > who should be killing whom in Palestine. We are all children of the > Devi, and I pray every day that all people treat each other and our > beautiful planet with reverence and respect. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > <lokaha samastaha sukino bhavantu> > > > On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 23:07:59 -0000 "omprem" <omprem> writes: > > Om Arjuna > > > > Before WW2 even ended, European Jews were heading to Palestine and > > displacing Palestinians from their lands. After WW2, that trickle of > > > > European Jews turned into a torrent. > > > > It is well documented that the newly arrived Jews killed tens of > > thousands and deported hundreds of thousands of indigenous > > Palestinians. That is why the current Israeli government will not > > grant a right of return to all those exiles. There are too many of > > them and Israel would cease to exist as a Jewish state. It would > > instead be a multi-cultural state. I personally know Palestinians > > who > > as children were taken out of their homes at night and put on a boat > > > > by a Jewish paramilitary group and exiled. > > > > The early Jewish killers even murdered British soliers held hostage > > and UN officials. > > > > The village of Deir Yassan is a good case in point. This Palestinian > > > > village had a made a non-aggression pact with the neighbouring > > Jewish > > settlements but because it was situated on high ground, it was > > invaded by the Jewish paramilitary group called the Stern Gang. > > Almost 300 defenseless Palestinian men, women and children were > > murdered. That expansion of Jewish settlements continues to this > > day. > > > > So if the Palestinians have to use unconventional methods of > > combatting a usurper that is well-armed by the U.S, then it seems > > justifiable to me. Karma continues regards of the political spin > > given to one's actions. > > > > OM Namah Sivaya > > > > Omprem > > > > > > , "Arjuna Taradasa" > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > 93 > > > What U say is against historical facts, it is obvious if U take > > care > > > to study the matter in detail. > > > Government of Israel can do sm mistakes, they are mere ppl, but in > > > > > general their politics is in perfect accordance with Dharma. > > > Muslims are trying to change facts and lead other countries into > > > delusion. In fact, it is they who want war and want to completely > > > destroy Israel. That was their task in 6 days war. Thatnx to > > Blessed > > > Lord, He protected His Land... > > > > > > The doctrine of named Rebbe is ok, simply U lack understanding of > > it.. > > > . > > > > > > Love is the law, love under will. > > > > > > A. > > > > > > > > > , "omprem" <omprem> > > wrote: > > > > OM Eric Otto > > > > > > > > The rabbi has a self-serving doctrine and therefore as the > > doctrine > > > > is contaminated with ego it is false. Not only is it false but > > the > > > > current Israeli government is using that same doctrine to kill > > those > > > > who it labels "terrorist" and well as any others unfortunate > > enough > > > > to be in the immediate vicinity of the missiles. Of course, the > > > > Israeli government is the original terrorist in that it invades > > the > > > > lands of another people, kills and deports hundreds of thousands > > > > of > > > > them and usurps the land and resources to its own use. The > > invaded > > > > people who fight against this terror are not terrorists > > themselves > > > > but freedom fighters. > > > > > > > > With regard to your question about the virtuousness of killing > > > Hitler > > > > given foreknowledge of the events that he set in motion,it seems > > > > to > > > > me that only more karma would have been created and none > > overcome. > > > > Those who were fated to suffer and be killed under Hitler would > > only > > > > have met their same karma under other circumstances. Nothing > > would > > > > have been avoided. But now the killer of Hitler incurs karma > > upon > > > > himself. Group karma occurs for a reason. If not under Hitler, > > then > > > > under someone or something else. > > > > > > > > Attachment to life is one of the five kleshas that keep one > > bound > > to > > > > wheel of samsara, reincarnating until the lessons that lead to > > > moksha > > > > are learned. > > > > > > > > Killing to prevent the person killed from killing assumes that > > > > corporeal existence is real and significant and a valued goal. > > But > > > > the purpose of all spiritual activity is to transcend space and > > > time, > > > > to be One without an other. The physical body only provides a > > > vehicle > > > > to work out one's karma. When moksha is attained the body is no > > > > longer needed. Action taken to preserve a body or life solely > > > > for the sake of preserving it is erroneous. Action taken to > > preserve > > > > a body by destroying another body is erroneous. > > > > > > > > OM Namah Sivaya > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > , "Eric Otto" > > <mkultra@f...> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Sin for the sake of sin is a sin, sin for the sake of God is > > > > > > > holyness. > > > > > > [reb Yaakov Leib hakKohein] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A kind of pedestrian view here, but is this kind of a thing > > that > > > if > > > > > say you had the fore knowledge to have killed Hitler or Stalin > > > > > > before > > > > > they did as much as they did, then would that act have been a > > good > > > > or > > > > > bad thing? 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