Guest guest Posted November 9, 2003 Report Share Posted November 9, 2003 "Without external alertness, internal alertness is not possible." Does anyone care to discuss this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2003 Report Share Posted November 11, 2003 Greetings, Your post has a profound meaning. Affirmatively I tried to respond. But I do not have knowledge for comprehensive discussion. Hope more learned from the group shall enlighten us on the above subject. Mystics have classified the state of mind into two levels. Actions that are performed from lower consciousness and other from higher consciousness. Later is the state, which they called Dhyana. The vigilance conducted in Dhyana should be extended to all our external activities. Discharging our ordinate duties without being distracted or interrupted by secondary thoughts is the highest state to be achieved. This is state where we experience equanimity. The grace in our actions is correlated to our internal serenity. Unless one is vigilant in his external actions he cannot succeed in possessing watchful mind. Mary Ann <maryann wrote: "Without external alertness, internal alertness is not possible." Does anyone care to discuss this? Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Greetings, and thank you for responding. I am still unsure I understand it. I guess it is saying that the "bigger" picture of the external world is necessary to become aware of because without such awareness, the "smaller" picture of the internal world is not understood...because without awareness (or understanding) of the external world, there can be no knowledge of how the internal world is part of it. Is this accurate? Is this a description of Dhyana? , seeker <anildivine> wrote: > > Greetings, > > Your post has a profound meaning. Affirmatively I tried to respond. But I do not have knowledge for comprehensive discussion. > > Hope more learned from the group shall enlighten us on the above subject. > > Mystics have classified the state of mind into two levels. Actions that are performed from lower consciousness and other from higher consciousness. Later is the state, which they called Dhyana. The vigilance conducted in Dhyana should be extended to all our external activities. Discharging our ordinate duties without being distracted or interrupted by secondary thoughts is the highest state to be achieved. This is state where we experience equanimity. The grace in our actions is correlated to our internal serenity. Unless one is vigilant in his external actions he cannot succeed in possessing watchful mind. > > > Mary Ann <maryann@m...> wrote: > "Without external alertness, internal alertness is not possible." > > Does anyone care to discuss this? > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 MaryAnn, the interpretation(admittedly opinionated) is to mean that what ever one thinks of in waking life, that is what will be faced in the astral dimension(either in meditation or sleep). So if someone is thinking of sex all the time in the waking life, that is what will plague him in the astral world. If one is not concentrating perfectly in waking life(while eating, drinking walking etc) on what he is doing then and there, then meditation will be a hard task. And a corollary(and many may disagree) is that if one is not successful in the outer world(in whatever sense of the word), then so will be be in spiritual life for the two are heavily intertwined. JAI MAA -yogaman Ammachi is going to be here in about 2 weeks , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Greetings, and thank you for responding. I am still unsure I > understand it. I guess it is saying that the "bigger" picture of the > external world is necessary to become aware of because without > such awareness, the "smaller" picture of the internal world is > not understood...because without awareness (or understanding) > of the external world, there can be no knowledge of how the > internal world is part of it. Is this accurate? Is this a description of > Dhyana? > > , seeker > <anildivine> wrote: > > > > Greetings, > > > > Your post has a profound meaning. Affirmatively I tried to > respond. But I do not have knowledge for comprehensive > discussion. > > > > Hope more learned from the group shall enlighten us on the > above subject. > > > > Mystics have classified the state of mind into two levels. > Actions that are performed from lower consciousness and other > from higher consciousness. Later is the state, which they called > Dhyana. The vigilance conducted in Dhyana should be extended > to all our external activities. Discharging our ordinate duties > without being distracted or interrupted by secondary thoughts is > the highest state to be achieved. This is state where we > experience equanimity. The grace in our actions is correlated to > our internal serenity. Unless one is vigilant in his external > actions he cannot succeed in possessing watchful mind. > > > > > > Mary Ann <maryann@m...> wrote: > > "Without external alertness, internal alertness is not possible." > > > > Does anyone care to discuss this? > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > Service. > > > > > > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Dear yogaman: Thank you for further food for thought. I am recognizing it means the alignment of outer and inner, physical and spiritual, and I appreciate your perspective. Do you mean that Ammachi will be at her ashram in San Ramon, CA in two weeks? Mary Ann , "childofdevi" <childofdevi> wrote: > > MaryAnn, the interpretation(admittedly opinionated) is to mean that > what ever one thinks of in waking life, that is what will be faced in > the astral dimension(either in meditation or sleep). So if someone is > thinking of sex all the time in the waking life, that is what will > plague him in the astral world. If one is not concentrating perfectly > in waking life(while eating, drinking walking etc) on what he is > doing then and there, then meditation will be a hard task. > > And a corollary(and many may disagree) is that if one is not > successful in the outer world(in whatever sense of the word), then so > will be be in spiritual life for the two are heavily intertwined. > > JAI MAA > > -yogaman > > Ammachi is going to be here in about 2 weeks > > , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> > wrote: > > Greetings, and thank you for responding. I am still unsure I > > understand it. I guess it is saying that the "bigger" picture of > the > > external world is necessary to become aware of because without > > such awareness, the "smaller" picture of the internal world is > > not understood...because without awareness (or understanding) > > of the external world, there can be no knowledge of how the > > internal world is part of it. Is this accurate? Is this a > description of > > Dhyana? > > > > , seeker > > <anildivine> wrote: > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > > > Your post has a profound meaning. Affirmatively I tried to > > respond. But I do not have knowledge for comprehensive > > discussion. > > > > > > Hope more learned from the group shall enlighten us on the > > above subject. > > > > > > Mystics have classified the state of mind into two levels. > > Actions that are performed from lower consciousness and other > > from higher consciousness. Later is the state, which they called > > Dhyana. The vigilance conducted in Dhyana should be extended > > to all our external activities. Discharging our ordinate duties > > without being distracted or interrupted by secondary thoughts is > > the highest state to be achieved. This is state where we > > experience equanimity. The grace in our actions is correlated to > > our internal serenity. Unless one is vigilant in his external > > actions he cannot succeed in possessing watchful mind. > > > > > > > > > Mary Ann <maryann@m...> wrote: > > > "Without external alertness, internal alertness is not possible." > > > > > > Does anyone care to discuss this? > > > > > > > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Terms of > > Service. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Greetings External world is a reflection of our inner Cosmos. Inner cosmos measures infinite and is in microform where as external world is finite. The nature of our external world is mutable and perishes at destined time. On understanding the inconsistency which is the very nature of our external world the Dhyana or contemplation on the Truth begins which is Absolute and Immutable of nature Sat-Chit-Ananda. Inquire and realization of our inner self is the solution to posses an undoubted state. It is not other way. Dhyana is a process where we focus our awareness on single point with out external thoughts disturbing the subject Regards Mary Ann <maryann wrote:Greetings, and thank you for responding. I am still unsure I understand it. I guess it is saying that the "bigger" picture of the external world is necessary to become aware of because without such awareness, the "smaller" picture of the internal world is not understood...because without awareness (or understanding) of the external world, there can be no knowledge of how the internal world is part of it. Is this accurate? Is this a description of Dhyana? , seeker <anildivine> wrote: > > Greetings, > > Your post has a profound meaning. Affirmatively I tried to respond. But I do not have knowledge for comprehensive discussion. > > Hope more learned from the group shall enlighten us on the above subject. > > Mystics have classified the state of mind into two levels. Actions that are performed from lower consciousness and other from higher consciousness. Later is the state, which they called Dhyana. The vigilance conducted in Dhyana should be extended to all our external activities. Discharging our ordinate duties without being distracted or interrupted by secondary thoughts is the highest state to be achieved. This is state where we experience equanimity. The grace in our actions is correlated to our internal serenity. Unless one is vigilant in his external actions he cannot succeed in possessing watchful mind. > > > Mary Ann <maryann@m...> wrote: > "Without external alertness, internal alertness is not possible." > > Does anyone care to discuss this? > > > Sponsor > > > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Yes MaryAnn, Amma will be there at her ashram from Nov 24 to Nov 29. Check out www.ammachi.org Also note that Nov 28 is a solar eclipse, a highly auspicious time for spiritual sadhana and that too in the presence of a great satguru if you come to San Ramon!!! Jai Maa!!! -yogaman > Dear yogaman: > > Thank you for further food for thought. I am recognizing it means > the alignment of outer and inner, physical and spiritual, and I > appreciate your perspective. > > Do you mean that Ammachi will be at her ashram in San > Ramon, CA in two weeks? > > Mary Ann > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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