Guest guest Posted November 12, 2003 Report Share Posted November 12, 2003 Namaste, Just wanted to mention that I'm making arrangements to go to Miami next week for the protests against the FTAA. This is important to me and I'm a little nervous as I've not been in a large international protest before, but I'm following my heart and just trying to work things out as I go along. If Devi wants me there, I'll be there. I'm hoping to be hooked up with the so called Pagan Cluster. They're actions tend to be based on Pagan rituals and drawing magic into their message. It's very Goddess oriented and the stuff that they've done has been so moving. Faith in action, that's what I'm trying to dance. So anyway, I've got things worked out for work, pets and home and I'm still working on the transportation/caravan/carpool issues and housing. It's been impossible to make a housing commitment as I don't have my arrival departure worked out and so many people are going. Since I don't have experience working with this group before, and I do have Red Cross first aid and cpr training, I went ahead and furthered that background by getting a briefing on civil disturbance medicine (tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets..etc). That way, no matter where I show up I can help out. If it doesn't look like I can get into the protest itself because I lack experience or contacts whatever, I will still be useful. If you're curious here's some links about this: http://www.peoplesconsultation.org/index.html www.unitedforpeace.org www.stopftaa.org www.citizen.org/trade/ftaa I know this seems very political, but for me it's spiritual. And challenging. Anyway, this is the spiritual challenge that I'm working on, so I wanted to share it here. Also, I wonder if there is a reference point between Hinduism and political activism that I could know about, especially based in Devi, that I could carry with me. Blessings, pr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Hello prainbow: Are you seeking Hindu scriptural references? If so, I am unable to help. But if you are seeking anything that unites political with spiritual, I have also been looking for such links. I think the Ammachi quote I posted is about political and spiritual re "external world" and "internal world." That is my interpretation, anyway, along with pondering what all it may mean, and factoring others' interpretations into the mix. See also Kochu's message number 7574 posted October 16, 2003 re mending fences AND praying that the horses don't get out, and the related posts. And certainly Gandhi's life was both political and spiritual. Good luck to you on your protest venture. Regards, Mary Ann , "prainbow61" <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > Namaste, > > Just wanted to mention that I'm making arrangements to go to Miami > next week for the protests against the FTAA. This is important to me > and I'm a little nervous as I've not been in a large international > protest before, but I'm following my heart and just trying to work > things out as I go along. > > If Devi wants me there, I'll be there. > > I'm hoping to be hooked up with the so called Pagan Cluster. They're > actions tend to be based on Pagan rituals and drawing magic into > their message. It's very Goddess oriented and the stuff that they've > done has been so moving. > > Faith in action, that's what I'm trying to dance. > > So anyway, I've got things worked out for work, pets and home and I'm > still working on the transportation/caravan/carpool issues and > housing. It's been impossible to make a housing commitment as I don't > have my arrival departure worked out and so many people are going. > > Since I don't have experience working with this group before, and I > do have Red Cross first aid and cpr training, I went ahead and > furthered that background by getting a briefing on civil disturbance > medicine (tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets..etc). That way, no > matter where I show up I can help out. If it doesn't look like I can > get into the protest itself because I lack experience or contacts > whatever, I will still be useful. > > If you're curious here's some links about this: > > http://www.peoplesconsultation.org/index.html > www.unitedforpeace.org > www.stopftaa.org > www.citizen.org/trade/ftaa > > I know this seems very political, but for me it's spiritual. > > And challenging. > > Anyway, this is the spiritual challenge that I'm working on, so I > wanted to share it here. Also, I wonder if there is a reference point > between Hinduism and political activism that I could know about, > especially based in Devi, that I could carry with me. > > Blessings, > > pr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Namaste Mary Ann! Actually, I *am* seeking the comfort of scriptural discussion with people who share my love of the Goddess, that I might carry that comfort, find courage in those thoughts as I face potential difficulties. I think I'll bring one of my Goddess books with me on the road, so I can read it when I am not the driver. It's a 35 hour trip from Colorado so I'll have some time. She is everything. She is all that I am. She is everything around me. Blessings, prainbow , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Hello prainbow: > > Are you seeking Hindu scriptural references? If so, I am unable > to help. But if you are seeking anything that unites political with > spiritual, I have also been looking for such links. > > I think the Ammachi quote I posted is about political and spiritual > re "external world" and "internal world." That is my interpretation, > anyway, along with pondering what all it may mean, and factoring > others' interpretations into the mix. > > See also Kochu's message number 7574 posted October 16, > 2003 re mending fences AND praying that the horses don't get > out, and the related posts. > > And certainly Gandhi's life was both political and spiritual. > > Good luck to you on your protest venture. > > Regards, > Mary Ann > > > , "prainbow61" > <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > > Namaste, > > > > Just wanted to mention that I'm making arrangements to go to > Miami > > next week for the protests against the FTAA. This is important > to me > > and I'm a little nervous as I've not been in a large international > > protest before, but I'm following my heart and just trying to work > > things out as I go along. > > > > If Devi wants me there, I'll be there. > > > > I'm hoping to be hooked up with the so called Pagan Cluster. > They're > > actions tend to be based on Pagan rituals and drawing magic > into > > their message. It's very Goddess oriented and the stuff that > they've > > done has been so moving. > > > > Faith in action, that's what I'm trying to dance. > > > > So anyway, I've got things worked out for work, pets and home > and I'm > > still working on the transportation/caravan/carpool issues and > > housing. It's been impossible to make a housing commitment > as I don't > > have my arrival departure worked out and so many people are > going. > > > > Since I don't have experience working with this group before, > and I > > do have Red Cross first aid and cpr training, I went ahead and > > furthered that background by getting a briefing on civil > disturbance > > medicine (tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets..etc). That > way, no > > matter where I show up I can help out. If it doesn't look like I > can > > get into the protest itself because I lack experience or contacts > > whatever, I will still be useful. > > > > If you're curious here's some links about this: > > > > http://www.peoplesconsultation.org/index.html > > www.unitedforpeace.org > > www.stopftaa.org > > www.citizen.org/trade/ftaa > > > > I know this seems very political, but for me it's spiritual. > > > > And challenging. > > > > Anyway, this is the spiritual challenge that I'm working on, so I > > wanted to share it here. Also, I wonder if there is a reference > point > > between Hinduism and political activism that I could know > about, > > especially based in Devi, that I could carry with me. > > > > Blessings, > > > > pr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 13, 2003 Report Share Posted November 13, 2003 Hi again, prainbow: I look forward, with you, to posts from people who know scriptural references that apply. I trust that if Her energy is what you seek, She will find you Namaste, Mary Ann , "prainbow61" <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > Namaste Mary Ann! > > Actually, I *am* seeking the comfort of scriptural discussion with > people who share my love of the Goddess, that I might carry that > comfort, find courage in those thoughts as I face potential > difficulties. > > I think I'll bring one of my Goddess books with me on the road, so I > can read it when I am not the driver. It's a 35 hour trip from > Colorado so I'll have some time. > > She is everything. She is all that I am. She is everything around me. > > Blessings, > > prainbow > > , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> > wrote: > > Hello prainbow: > > > > Are you seeking Hindu scriptural references? If so, I am unable > > to help. But if you are seeking anything that unites political with > > spiritual, I have also been looking for such links. > > > > I think the Ammachi quote I posted is about political and spiritual > > re "external world" and "internal world." That is my > interpretation, > > anyway, along with pondering what all it may mean, and factoring > > others' interpretations into the mix. > > > > See also Kochu's message number 7574 posted October 16, > > 2003 re mending fences AND praying that the horses don't get > > out, and the related posts. > > > > And certainly Gandhi's life was both political and spiritual. > > > > Good luck to you on your protest venture. > > > > Regards, > > Mary Ann > > > > > > , "prainbow61" > > <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > > > Namaste, > > > > > > Just wanted to mention that I'm making arrangements to go to > > Miami > > > next week for the protests against the FTAA. This is important > > to me > > > and I'm a little nervous as I've not been in a large > international > > > protest before, but I'm following my heart and just trying to > work > > > things out as I go along. > > > > > > If Devi wants me there, I'll be there. > > > > > > I'm hoping to be hooked up with the so called Pagan Cluster. > > They're > > > actions tend to be based on Pagan rituals and drawing magic > > into > > > their message. It's very Goddess oriented and the stuff that > > they've > > > done has been so moving. > > > > > > Faith in action, that's what I'm trying to dance. > > > > > > So anyway, I've got things worked out for work, pets and home > > and I'm > > > still working on the transportation/caravan/carpool issues and > > > housing. It's been impossible to make a housing commitment > > as I don't > > > have my arrival departure worked out and so many people are > > going. > > > > > > Since I don't have experience working with this group before, > > and I > > > do have Red Cross first aid and cpr training, I went ahead and > > > furthered that background by getting a briefing on civil > > disturbance > > > medicine (tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets..etc). That > > way, no > > > matter where I show up I can help out. If it doesn't look like I > > can > > > get into the protest itself because I lack experience or contacts > > > whatever, I will still be useful. > > > > > > If you're curious here's some links about this: > > > > > > http://www.peoplesconsultation.org/index.html > > > www.unitedforpeace.org > > > www.stopftaa.org > > > www.citizen.org/trade/ftaa > > > > > > I know this seems very political, but for me it's spiritual. > > > > > > And challenging. > > > > > > Anyway, this is the spiritual challenge that I'm working on, so I > > > wanted to share it here. Also, I wonder if there is a reference > > point > > > between Hinduism and political activism that I could know > > about, > > > especially based in Devi, that I could carry with me. > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > pr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Namaste A friend of mine uses this as an email sign off: She is a Tree of Life to all who cling to Her Infinite Joy, Wisdom and Grace. Nothing you desire can compare to Her All Her paths are the Struggle towards Peace. I'm not sure where it's from, but it reminds me of Devi. pr , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Hi again, prainbow: I look forward, with you, to posts from > people who know scriptural references that apply. > > I trust that if Her energy is what you seek, She will find you > > Namaste, > Mary Ann > > > > , "prainbow61" > <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > > Namaste Mary Ann! > > > > Actually, I *am* seeking the comfort of scriptural discussion > with > > people who share my love of the Goddess, that I might carry > that > > comfort, find courage in those thoughts as I face potential > > difficulties. > > > > I think I'll bring one of my Goddess books with me on the road, > so I > > can read it when I am not the driver. It's a 35 hour trip from > > Colorado so I'll have some time. > > > > She is everything. She is all that I am. She is everything around > me. > > > > Blessings, > > > > prainbow > > > > , "Mary Ann" > <maryann@m...> > > wrote: > > > Hello prainbow: > > > > > > Are you seeking Hindu scriptural references? If so, I am > unable > > > to help. But if you are seeking anything that unites political > with > > > spiritual, I have also been looking for such links. > > > > > > I think the Ammachi quote I posted is about political and > spiritual > > > re "external world" and "internal world." That is my > > interpretation, > > > anyway, along with pondering what all it may mean, and > factoring > > > others' interpretations into the mix. > > > > > > See also Kochu's message number 7574 posted October > 16, > > > 2003 re mending fences AND praying that the horses don't > get > > > out, and the related posts. > > > > > > And certainly Gandhi's life was both political and spiritual. > > > > > > Good luck to you on your protest venture. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Mary Ann > > > > > > > > > , "prainbow61" > > > <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > Just wanted to mention that I'm making arrangements to > go to > > > Miami > > > > next week for the protests against the FTAA. This is > important > > > to me > > > > and I'm a little nervous as I've not been in a large > > international > > > > protest before, but I'm following my heart and just trying to > > work > > > > things out as I go along. > > > > > > > > If Devi wants me there, I'll be there. > > > > > > > > I'm hoping to be hooked up with the so called Pagan > Cluster. > > > They're > > > > actions tend to be based on Pagan rituals and drawing > magic > > > into > > > > their message. It's very Goddess oriented and the stuff that > > > they've > > > > done has been so moving. > > > > > > > > Faith in action, that's what I'm trying to dance. > > > > > > > > So anyway, I've got things worked out for work, pets and > home > > > and I'm > > > > still working on the transportation/caravan/carpool issues > and > > > > housing. It's been impossible to make a housing > commitment > > > as I don't > > > > have my arrival departure worked out and so many people > are > > > going. > > > > > > > > Since I don't have experience working with this group > before, > > > and I > > > > do have Red Cross first aid and cpr training, I went ahead > and > > > > furthered that background by getting a briefing on civil > > > disturbance > > > > medicine (tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets..etc). That > > > way, no > > > > matter where I show up I can help out. If it doesn't look like I > > > can > > > > get into the protest itself because I lack experience or > contacts > > > > whatever, I will still be useful. > > > > > > > > If you're curious here's some links about this: > > > > > > > > http://www.peoplesconsultation.org/index.html > > > > www.unitedforpeace.org > > > > www.stopftaa.org > > > > www.citizen.org/trade/ftaa > > > > > > > > I know this seems very political, but for me it's spiritual. > > > > > > > > And challenging. > > > > > > > > Anyway, this is the spiritual challenge that I'm working on, > so I > > > > wanted to share it here. Also, I wonder if there is a > reference > > > point > > > > between Hinduism and political activism that I could know > > > about, > > > > especially based in Devi, that I could carry with me. > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > > > pr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 Namaste: That's beautiful. It brings to mind a few different things I have heard that I'd like to share with you (and the group). I hope you find these relavent to your journey to, and work in, Florida. If not, I still love them and want to share I will check out the links you posted so I can learn more about what you'll be doing on your trip. 1) Gurumayi from her book Enthusiasm: "If you must struggle, then wrestle with your self-hatred so that you release its hold on you. ... If you must struggle, then use that energy to embrace Devi's creation. ... If you must struggle, then turn your effort to releasing the enthusiasm within yourself, to serving Devi with joy and wholeness." (She says "God" but I've written "Devi.") 2) Mary Parker Follett also comes to mind. Though not traditionally thought of as a spiritual influence, I understand her work to be profoundly spiritual, as well as political. Your "tree" reference made me think of her. Here are several passages I found online from an article entitled "Liquid Leadership" by someone named Albie Davis (if I'm remembering correctly): "Individuality is the capacity for union. Evil is non-relation. The source of our strength is the central supply. You may as well break a branch off the tree and expect it to live. Non-relation is death." "We could not have an enemy unless there was much in common between us. Differences are always grounded in an underlying similarity. ... I always feel intimate with my enemies. It is not opposition but indifference which separates [humans]." "A friendship based on likenesses and agreements alone is a superficial matter enough. The deep and lasting friendship is one capable of recognizing and dealing with all the fundamental differences that must exist between any two individuals, one capable therefore of such an enrighment of our personalities that together we shall mount to new heights of understanding and endeavor." Mary Parker Follett (1868 - 1933) 3) Message 7708 "From War to Peace" is a quote by Follett worth reading if you missed it the first time. Regards, Mary Ann , "prainbow61" <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > Namaste > > A friend of mine uses this as an email sign off: > > She is a Tree of Life to all who cling to Her > Infinite Joy, Wisdom and Grace. > Nothing you desire can compare to Her > All Her paths are the Struggle towards Peace. > > > I'm not sure where it's from, but it reminds me of Devi. > > pr > > > > > , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> > wrote: > > Hi again, prainbow: I look forward, with you, to posts from > > people who know scriptural references that apply. > > > > I trust that if Her energy is what you seek, She will find you > > > > Namaste, > > Mary Ann > > > > > > > > , "prainbow61" > > <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > > > Namaste Mary Ann! > > > > > > Actually, I *am* seeking the comfort of scriptural discussion > > with > > > people who share my love of the Goddess, that I might carry > > that > > > comfort, find courage in those thoughts as I face potential > > > difficulties. > > > > > > I think I'll bring one of my Goddess books with me on the road, > > so I > > > can read it when I am not the driver. It's a 35 hour trip from > > > Colorado so I'll have some time. > > > > > > She is everything. She is all that I am. She is everything around > > me. > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > prainbow > > > > > > , "Mary Ann" > > <maryann@m...> > > > wrote: > > > > Hello prainbow: > > > > > > > > Are you seeking Hindu scriptural references? If so, I am > > unable > > > > to help. But if you are seeking anything that unites political > > with > > > > spiritual, I have also been looking for such links. > > > > > > > > I think the Ammachi quote I posted is about political and > > spiritual > > > > re "external world" and "internal world." That is my > > > interpretation, > > > > anyway, along with pondering what all it may mean, and > > factoring > > > > others' interpretations into the mix. > > > > > > > > See also Kochu's message number 7574 posted October > > 16, > > > > 2003 re mending fences AND praying that the horses don't > > get > > > > out, and the related posts. > > > > > > > > And certainly Gandhi's life was both political and spiritual. > > > > > > > > Good luck to you on your protest venture. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Mary Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > , "prainbow61" > > > > <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Just wanted to mention that I'm making arrangements to > > go to > > > > Miami > > > > > next week for the protests against the FTAA. This is > > important > > > > to me > > > > > and I'm a little nervous as I've not been in a large > > > international > > > > > protest before, but I'm following my heart and just trying to > > > work > > > > > things out as I go along. > > > > > > > > > > If Devi wants me there, I'll be there. > > > > > > > > > > I'm hoping to be hooked up with the so called Pagan > > Cluster. > > > > They're > > > > > actions tend to be based on Pagan rituals and drawing > > magic > > > > into > > > > > their message. It's very Goddess oriented and the stuff that > > > > they've > > > > > done has been so moving. > > > > > > > > > > Faith in action, that's what I'm trying to dance. > > > > > > > > > > So anyway, I've got things worked out for work, pets and > > home > > > > and I'm > > > > > still working on the transportation/caravan/carpool issues > > and > > > > > housing. It's been impossible to make a housing > > commitment > > > > as I don't > > > > > have my arrival departure worked out and so many people > > are > > > > going. > > > > > > > > > > Since I don't have experience working with this group > > before, > > > > and I > > > > > do have Red Cross first aid and cpr training, I went ahead > > and > > > > > furthered that background by getting a briefing on civil > > > > disturbance > > > > > medicine (tear gas, pepper spray, rubber bullets..etc). That > > > > way, no > > > > > matter where I show up I can help out. If it doesn't look > like I > > > > can > > > > > get into the protest itself because I lack experience or > > contacts > > > > > whatever, I will still be useful. > > > > > > > > > > If you're curious here's some links about this: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.peoplesconsultation.org/index.html > > > > > www.unitedforpeace.org > > > > > www.stopftaa.org > > > > > www.citizen.org/trade/ftaa > > > > > > > > > > I know this seems very political, but for me it's spiritual. > > > > > > > > > > And challenging. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway, this is the spiritual challenge that I'm working on, > > so I > > > > > wanted to share it here. Also, I wonder if there is a > > reference > > > > point > > > > > between Hinduism and political activism that I could know > > > > about, > > > > > especially based in Devi, that I could carry with me. > > > > > > > > > > Blessings, > > > > > > > > > > pr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2003 Report Share Posted November 17, 2003 Namaste', I do hope prainbow is all right. I understand that on Saturday, Nov 15, five activists [including members of the Pagan Cluster] were arrested in Miami for the crime of leafletting, that is, peaceful organizing for the upcoming anti-FTAA mobilization. If you are so moved, you may register a complaint about this treatment of the protesters: Contact information: Mayor Manny Diaz 305-250-5300 mayor's website: http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/mayor/synopsis.as This link lets you submit a "complaint or suggestion" directly to the mayor's office: http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/mayor/form.asp For daily updates on the protests: http://www.starhawk.org/ or http://www.utne.com/ or http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_specials_2003-11/articles/10979-1.html Prainbow's message from last week: , "prainbow61" <paulie-rainbow@u...> wrote: > Namaste, > > Just wanted to mention that I'm making arrangements to go to > Miami next week for the protests against the FTAA. This is important > to me and I'm a little nervous as I've not been in a large > international protest before, but I'm following my heart and just trying to > work things out as I go along. > If Devi wants me there, I'll be there. > I'm hoping to be hooked up with the so called Pagan Cluster. [....] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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