Guest guest Posted November 14, 2003 Report Share Posted November 14, 2003 93 Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. Namaste, dear sister about the problem of children i can't suggest anything, i'm not dealing with social matters LOL... however one thing is clear - that marriage is in most cases a business, trying to wrape Love. Truth is freedom. As Savior told, \Truth sets U free\... In one gnostic Gospel Lord says - Only love can marry love, but not a man marry a woman in front of hypocritics and caesars. According to Liber AL, all other things which bond except Love are accursed in aeons... Only sincere love is the way, it comes naturally [sahaja], it cannot be forsed or controlled. Only that marriage which is brought by pure love is indeed holy sacrament that unites two halves of God... Love is the law, love under will. These are the words of Liber AL. I don't want to speculate on this theme, only U Urself can open the true meaning of the law inside Ur heart... But believe me, it has nothing to do with suppression or alike. Will is a power of Atma, only the one who knows his nature as consciousness has will. Ordinary ppl have no will, they are only mechanisms without soul. Severe but true. Will is spontaneous flow of Ur true nature... Don't look at my words, they are useless in this. Pray and see Ur heart. Love is the law, love under will. KRIM HUM TRAM A. , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Namaste Arjuna Taradasa: > > Interestingly enough, while the marriage laws can be > oppressive, and especially have been in the past, there is no > other system in place for children to be taken care of by > everyone, and that gets left up to the women, who are usually not > well set up economically. The entire structure of society would > have to be changed to value children as whole people, and to > value women and men as whole people apart from each other, > too. Osho was not a visionary in that area, unfortunately. > > I agree that marriage is not the answer the church / government > deems it to be. I like "love is the law," however, don't quite > understand "love under will" because that sounds oppressive, > and marriage itself could be considered to be "love under will." I > think love requires not just will, but emotional, intellectual, and > physical intelligence, in order to allow the spirit to flourish. > Meanwhile, we are all in various stages of development > regarding these elements. > > When you say the Tantras are in the same position as > Osho/Rajneesh, what do you mean? > > -- Mary Ann > > > > > , "Arjuna Taradasa" > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law > > > > about Love - true exactly > > Osho's words are crystal pure and simple... That is the reason > why so > > many ppl hated him. Not everyone dares to accept truth as it is. > > What i may add, that Tantras are on the same position as Shri > > Rajneesh... > > > > Love is the law, love under will > > > > , supraath > <supraath> wrote: > > > Love should be accepted as one of the most fundamental > human rights, > > and all societies have destroyed it. They have destroyed it by > > creating marriage. Marriage is a false substitute for love. > > > > > > In the past, small children were married. They had no idea > what love > > is, what marriage is. And why were small children married? > For a > > simple reason: before they become young adults, before love > arises in > > their hearts, the doors have to be closed. Because once love > takes > > possession of their hearts then it will become very difficult.... > > > > > > No child marriage is human. A man or a woman should be > allowed to > > choose their partners and to change their partners whenever > they feel. > > The government has no business in it, the society has nothing > to do > > with it. It is two individuals' personal affair. The privacy of it is > > sacred. > > > > > > If two people want to live together, they don't need any > permission > > from any priest or any government. They need the permission > of their > > hearts. And the day they feel that the time has come to part, > again > > they don't need anybody's permission. They can part as > friends, with > > beautiful memories of their loving days. > > > > > > Love should be the only way for men and women to live > together. No > > other ritual is needed. > > > > > > The only problem in the past was what would happen to the > children; > > that was the argument for marriage. There are other > alternatives, far > > better. Children should be accepted not as their parents' > property -- > > they belong to the whole humanity. From the very beginning it > should > > be made clear to them, "The whole humanity is going to protect > you, is > > your shelter. We may be together -- we will look after you. We > may not > > be together; still we look after you. You are our blood, our > bones, > > our souls." > > > > > > In fact, this possession by the parents of the children is one > of > > the most dangerous things that humanity goes on carrying. > This is the > > root of the idea of possessiveness. You should not possess > your > > children. You can love them, you can bless them, but you > cannot > > possess. They belong to the whole humanity. They come from > beyond; you > > have been just a passage. Don't think more than that about > yourself. > > Whatever you can do, do. > > > > > > Every commune, every village should take care of the > children. Once > > the commune starts taking care of the children, marriage > becomes > > absolutely obsolete. And marriage is destroying your basic > right to > > love. > > > > > > If man's love is free, there will not be blacks and whites, and > > there will not be these ugly discriminations, because love > knows no > > boundaries. > > > > > > You can fall in love with a black man, you can fall in love with > a > > white man. Love knows no religious scriptures. It knows only > the > > heartbeat, and it knows it with absolute certainty. Once love is > free, > > it will prepare the ground for other fundamental rights. > > > > > > In fact, if you ask the scientists, people falling in love should > be > > as different as possible. Then they will give birth to better > > children, more intelligent, stronger. We know it now; we are > trying it > > all over the world as far as animals are concerned. > Crossbreeding has > > given us better cows, better horses, better dogs. But man is > strange. > > You know the secret, but you are not bettering yourself. > > > > > > All the royal families are suffering. They create the greatest > > number of idiots, because they go on marrying amongst > themselves. > > Royal blood cannot mix with a commoner's blood -- even in the > > twentieth century we think in terms of royal blood. Blood is > simply > > blood. But if just a dozen families go on marrying amongst > themselves > > continually, they create many kinds of diseases. > > > > > > Retardedness is one. Just have a look again at the picture of > the > > Prince of Wales and you will see what I mean by a retarded > person. > > They are fed up, but they cannot go out of their small circle. I > have > > never come across any person belonging to a royal family who > has > > intelligence, and in India I have been acquainted with almost > all the > > royal families. It is not only that their minds remain retarded, > their > > bodies lose many things. > > > > > > Osho: On Basic Human Rights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2003 Report Share Posted November 15, 2003 Dear Arjuna: , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. > Namaste, dear sister > about the problem of children i can't suggest anything, i'm not > dealing with social matters You're not? Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 18, 2003 Report Share Posted November 18, 2003 93 actaully i ve got no time to write anymore, i m getting ready to leave this country for 4 months... so request u and others to contact me personally if sm need comes - saidevi55 social matters... heh-heh, what's the need for me? i ve got my own life... Love is the law, love under will. A. , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Dear Arjuna: > > , "Arjuna Taradasa" > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law. > > > Namaste, dear sister > > about the problem of children i can't suggest anything, i'm not > > dealing with social matters > > You're not? Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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