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>A] Nora the cook [ as some of my friends who knows

her]

>Nora who loves to cook

>Nora the one who love to cook chicken curry

>Nora the one who love to cook chicken curry using

BABA curry powder

>Nora the one who loves to cook and listen to her

radio

>Nora the one who loves to listen to her radio and

sing while she does her cooking

>Nora the one who loves to listen to her radio, sing

and occasionally dance while doing her cooking

 

If I may please be allowed to interject, I think that

there is a problem of translation here. The English

word "name" does not accurately describe the situation

here. In all of the above, your name in the English

sense of the term remains Nora. The longer phrases are

titles or descriptions, not names. Devi as I view

things has perhaps 20 or 30 names in Hinduism. The

rest of what are called names are more correctly

termed titles or descriptions similar to what you list

above. But they are generaly given in Sanskrit, which

makes them appear as long and conplex names to someone

who has not studied Sanskrit.

 

Sister/Aunt Usha

 

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Sister Usha Devi

Founder, Divinely Female and worshipper of the Sacred Flame that shines inside

every woman

 

 

 

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Okay, I understand the naming thing. Instead of simply saying "Devi

can do anything she wants" list the things she can do, thus producing

a long list of titles for her. Okay. Gotcha.

 

But I'm still not making myself clear on the other question.

Sometimes I throw a joke or two into the wording of my questions,

which is clear to anybody who knows me but I forget that you guys

don't know me. I am really sorry I mentioned Christians and Moslems

because my question really did not have anything to do with them. And

I did not mean to say that they are all hypocrites, only the ones who

act the way I described in my original question. And I certainly

understand that you guys are not pushy and not trying to convince

anybody of anything (something I really like and appreciate, by the

way), but I am just trying to understand.

 

So, let us start over from the beginning. Shaktism is by

definition the worship of the Female Divine. Okay. Gotcha. But does

worship of the Female Divine mean that you

 

1) Treat men and women equal in society

 

2) Treat women as being better than men, so that men are slaves to

the women;

 

3) Put women on a pedestal and worship them while at the same time

saying that you are relieving them of mundane concerns by denying

them any real power in society.

 

4) None of the above; choice of gender of deity is irrelevant in

determining how men and women treat each other outside the temple.

 

I hope now my question is clearer.

 

Sister Yvonne

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Hi Yvonne:

 

Thanks for your reply and your patience. I'll try to clarify your

concerns a bit more:

 

*** Instead of simply saying "Devi can do anything she wants," you

list the things she can do, thus producing a long list of titles for

her. Okay. Gotcha. ***

 

Well, sort of, though there's a lot more to it than that. You might

read message #8320 closely for a better understanding.

 

Also, think about your conclusion: It's a little similar to telling

Shakespeare, "Okay, instead of just saying 'Some guy and some chick

fall in love and their idiotic parents screw it up,' you write a

long, complicated play called Romeo and Juliet. Okay. Gotcha."

Sometimes the essence, truth, and beauty are in the details, not the

sound-bites.

 

*** I certainly understand that you guys are not pushy and not

trying to convince anybody of anything (something I really like and

appreciate, by the way), but I am just trying to understand. ***

 

Much obliged. We'll continue to help if we can. Your questions are

welcome.

 

*** does worship of the Female Divine mean that you treat men and

women equal in society? ***

 

Yes. There is no second-class citizenship based on gender.

 

*** does worship of the Female Divine mean that you treat women as

being better than men, so that men are slaves to the women ***

 

No. Women are regarded as possessing a purer distillation of Devi's

essence; however, it does not follow from this belief that "men are

slaves to the women." In worship, a woman can sometimes "stand in

for" Devi in a way that a man cannot. But the spiritual heirarchy

does not imply a societal heirarchy. Everyone and everything in the

Universe, female or male, animate or inanimate, are in and of Her.

 

*** does worship of the Female Divine mean that you put women on a

pedestal and worship them while at the same time saying that you are

relieving them of mundane concerns by denying them any real power in

society. ***

 

No. Again, the spiritual heirarchy does not imply a societal

heirarchy in favor of or against either (or any) gender.

 

*** is the choice of gender of deity is irrelevant in determining

how men and women treat each other outside the temple. ***

 

No. It is not irrelevant. The Devi Mahatmyam, a primary scripture of

Shaktism, notes, "O Devi! All women in the world are Thy diverse

manifestations." This necessitates a certain reverence and deference

toward women in all aspects of life; not just in the temple. But it

emphatically does NOT imply some cartoonish "mistress-slave" sex-

role fantasy (people do sometimes join this group seeking that sort

of thing; they tend to be quickly disappointed), or anything along

those lines. Rather, what is cultivated is a very subtle, very deep

recognition of the spiritual currents constantly at play beneath the

mundane surfaces of the world. Again, there is no implication of

social inequality toward or against either (or any) gender.

 

*** I hope now my question is clearer. ***

 

And I hope my answers are! Thanks again for the post, Yvonne.

 

Aum Maatangyai Namahe

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Thank you Sister Usha for your input. I am using the "NORA" as an

example. I believe Devi Bhakta's message on Conversation on Sri Vidya

have explain it. Maybe I should put the sanskrit version of Nora the

Cook etc. It will be really fun !

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