Guest guest Posted January 26, 2004 Report Share Posted January 26, 2004 so wise and true, as I do feel complete when i am alone with myself. treesys a message dated 1/26/04 5:21:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, supraath writes: > Aloneness simply means completeness. You are whole; there is no need of > anybody else to complete you. So try to find out your innermost center where > you are always alone, have always been alone. In life, in death — wherever > you are — you will be alone. But it is so full! It is not empty; it is so > full and so complete and so overflowing with all the juices of life, with all > the beauties and benedictions of existence, that once you have tasted your > aloneness, the pain in the heart will disappear. Instead, a new rhythm of > tremendous sweetness, peace, joy, bliss, will be there. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 You do not need to be alone to be alone. Even when you are with people, you can still be alone. In my opinion when you began to identify your state of alones that is attachment. You are conscious of your surrounding. To be alone, is to detach onself, to be in one own "world" no matter what is happening around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Greetings to all, I agree with Sister Nora, its not necessary that u have to be alone to feel alone even with thousands around us we too can feel alone, ive experienced that before. But i have to agree loneliness is something toturing for me. , "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > You do not need to be alone to be alone. Even when you are with > people, you can still be alone. In my opinion when you began to > identify your state of alones that is attachment. You are conscious > of your surrounding. To be alone, is to detach onself, to be in one > own "world" no matter what is happening around you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 There is a vast difference between being alone and lonely. i value my time alone, nothing compares with being off on a deep forest trail with only my thoughts and the battle to subdue the fluctuations of my mind. At times i get lonely (especially in crowds) and i try my best not to let those lonely thoughts trample my mind (of course they often do) and tell myself that this is just one of a long list of things i need to work on in this life. Mr_Taboosingh i hope you will find liberation from the torture of loneliness. Feel free to PM me or email anytime. Namaste michael , "Madhava Prabu" <mr_taboosingh> wrote: > Greetings to all, > I agree with Sister Nora, its not necessary that u > have to be alone to feel alone even with thousands around us we too > can feel alone, ive experienced that before. But i have to agree > loneliness is something toturing for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 Supraath words took me by surprise. There is something almost delicious in being alone. There are so many things of the world that demand our attention or affections that we don't have time to breath and feel who we are after awhile. In America where individualism is suppose to be our way - and to a certain degree it is - but the culture make much effort to achieve conformity and group idenity. Our school systems and corporations spend a great deal of time emphasizing team effort and team playing. A lot of time is spent on thing like team sports or total quality management. Groups need to "reach consensus" rather than be in consensus. The one who is different or intouch with the "big quiet" is likely to be shunned than adored. For me as a creative person, I need to be alone to create. I don't feel alone. I don't feel separate. I breath clearly because there are no obligations. Those moments like the ones here writing are mine to do what I please. No boss. No time table. I was reading one of the FBI bulletins about who to watch out for and one of the people they said to beware of was the loner. I think from the kind organizational mentality of the FBI where group is more important than the individual, the solitary human must be an aberation to them. To each is own... When aloneness becomes a problems perhaps - as with some meditation - is that it is a way to be a odds with the world. There is a false victory over the world in that, and I don't think Supraath is going after that. What I think more is that one needs to withdrawl from time to time to our personal gardens to refresh from the world. Eric Otto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2004 Report Share Posted January 27, 2004 "Groups need to "reach consensus" rather than be in consensus. The one who is different or in touch with the "big quiet" is likely to be shunned than adored" Tends to agree with you on this Eric, but this where the line is drawn between the strong and the weaklings. The strong ones are those who are able to swim against the tide and not bothered or afraid to be shun. I think the effect of : weather I am with or have a friend or not, I will still be okay. So being alone and not being alone is not an issue. Many times during my younger days with friends, we spend days plan for a trip and suddenly on the eve, they all abandoned it. I say : okay! I am not going to get upset. Since nobody is coming, I will go on my own and have my own jolly good time. And I did. Madhava Prabu wrote :"But I have to agree loneliness is something torturing for me." I am sorry to hear this M. Prabu. Maybe we can work on this? "What I think more is that one needs to withdrawal from time to time to our personal gardens to refresh from the world." I like the word garden. The garden within ourselves, full of flowers and plants. A place were we can occasionally seek refuge and go to when ever we want to. Nobody can take or destroy this garden from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 I prefer to think of it as "being with self". If I value my aspect of "self", I am not alone-- I am with a worthy being. When we look at ourselves as worthy beings, others do as well. Being "alone" is a state of mind, as evidenced by feelings of lonliness and/or aloneness when in a crowd. If we see ourselves as already *being* that which we would like to become... perhaps worthy and complete, or fill in your own blanks... we have acheived a major victory. If we decide we are content beings, then that is what we are. Contentedness attracts others who also seek to be content... Khiarra > > > I agree with Sister Nora, its not > necessary that u > have to be alone to feel alone even with thousands > around us we too > can feel alone, ive experienced that before. But i SiteBuilder - Free web site building tool. Try it! http://webhosting./ps/sb/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2004 Report Share Posted January 30, 2004 I beleive that being alone is necessary for sadhakas. But as some one reffered to FBI's bulletin....Their biggest contention is loners are sexually deprived, hence likely to indulge in crime,You may attribute it to the lack of understanding in US about the concept of Brahmacharya,but ....even indian socity see brahmacharis suspeciously, so they have no choice but to join monasteries, In this matter I can say India society has more perverted because we have too many housewife who have made gossiping their only job. as asadhaka you have to prove yourself as aman of miracle or else you become food for gossip. The so called family values itself is the main cause of corruption contributed hevily to the degeneration of spiritual upliftment! People see lonely people suspeciously and there is social indifference toward them, so many people have to discontinue the sadhna in order to keep upwith the mainstream. Unfortunately so called hindu maths ashrams are not responding to the needs of sadhakas, they are busy compeating with christian missionaries and social works ... there is too much discussion on city, corruption, gujarat,etc etc than upanishads,in math youn are welcome if you are going to donate something for their service, or if you are a sadhakas they would excuse themselves. Keshava prasad. , "Eric Otto" <mkultra@f...> wrote: > > Supraath words took me by surprise. There is something almost > delicious in being alone. There are so many things of the world > that demand our attention or affections that we don't have time to > breath and feel who we are after awhile. > > In America where individualism is suppose to be our way - and to a > certain degree it is - but the culture make much effort to achieve > conformity and group idenity. Our school systems and corporations > spend a great deal of time emphasizing team effort and team playing. > A lot of time is spent on thing like team sports or total quality > management. Groups need to "reach consensus" rather than be in > consensus. The one who is different or intouch with the "big quiet" > is likely to be shunned than adored. > > For me as a creative person, I need to be alone to create. I don't > feel alone. I don't feel separate. I breath clearly because there > are no obligations. Those moments like the ones here writing are > mine to do what I please. No boss. No time table. > > I was reading one of the FBI bulletins about who to watch out for and > one of the people they said to beware of was the loner. I think > from the kind organizational mentality of the FBI where group is more > important than the individual, the solitary human must be an > aberation to them. To each is own... > > When aloneness becomes a problems perhaps - as with some meditation - > is that it is a way to be a odds with the world. There is a false > victory over the world in that, and I don't think Supraath is going > after that. What I think more is that one needs to withdrawl from > time to time to our personal gardens to refresh from the world. > > Eric Otto Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 I was an only child with an only parent...and to me aloneness was a blessing and somthing I always appreciated because my mother had no other friends and because of that she needed more from me then I as a child was able to deliver ---In a message dated 1/26/2004 11:32:32 PM Pacific Standard Time, mr_taboosingh writes: > > Greetings to all, > > > I agree with Sister Nora, its not necessary that u > have to be alone to feel alone even with thousands around us we too > can feel alone, ive experienced that before. But i have to agree > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2004 Report Share Posted February 1, 2004 I recomend looking for another lonley person...every crowd has many of them even couples are often lonley don't be afraid to talk to them it will make them happy and for a moment you have a small family...try it its fun and you learn about people find a young couple and adopt them ...when I was young I loved being talked to by older people when I was on a date hugs a message dated 1/27/2004 7:59:28 AM Pacific Standard Time, tantalus63 writes: > At times i get lonely (especially in crowds) and i try my best not > to let those lonely thoughts trample my mind (of course they often > do) and tell myself that this is just one of a long list of things i > need to work on in this life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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