Wondrous News

[Guest guest]

Wondrous News. This is why we do what we do.

 

We received this wondrous communication from our Trinity Healers in

South Africa. "I'm not sure if J has already told you, but the

Clinics and Homes we worked at last year, reported that the Babies

have not been sick since our visits." This means our Trinity Healers'

healings and toys program is working "miracles" on these orphaned

babies with AIDS who live in iron cribs in poverty.

 

Additional good news unfolded when several hundred people attended

our benefit teleconference and lecture on January 25th and hundreds

of teddy bears were collected for delivery to the "Babies Who Die

Alone". Another benefit teleconference and lecture is scheduled for

February 15th and we hope this will bring forth many more hundreds of

teddy bears and the needed funds to ship the teddy bears to South

Africa. ...

 

More than 800,000 babies and children have been orphaned by the AIDS

epidemic in South Africa. Most of these orphaned babies and children

also have AIDS. Most die alone without a teddy bear or "cuddly toy"

to hold as they "lie in iron cribs all day". We have 15 Trinity

Healers in South Africa giving the human touch and teddy bears to

the "Babies Who Die Alone". Teddy bears and financial contributions

are welcome. More information about the "Babies Who Die Alone" and

the Trinity Healers' personal experiences while healing AIDS babies

and children is available at www.merkaba.org/toys/healexp.php Many

babies and children will not live to see Christmas this year. Thus,

if you cannot attend one of our gatherings we ask that you please

send your contributions today and not tomorrow to the nearest

location addressed to "SMT/CLT Toys for Babies with AIDS".

 

In Africa - c/o Gigi Svorinic; P.O. Box 723; Parklands 2121;

Johannesburg, South Africa

 

In the USA - c/o Marian Schroedl; 18503 2nd Avenue N.W.; Shoreline,

WA 98177

 

In Canada - c/o Marie Fischer; 111 4th Ave., PO Box 30047; St.

Catharines ON; L2S 4A1; Canada

 

In Scotland - c/o Kay Rae; 42 Easton Drive; Shieldhill, Falkirk;

Scotland; FK1 2DR

 

In Italy - c/o Jozica Mesaric; Via Ticino 49; Frazione San Biagio;

27026 Garlasco (PV); Italy

 

In Germany - c/o Hilde Govindarasu; Bahnhofstr. 48; D82194

Groebenzell; Germany

 

For future updates : goldenfloweroflife/

[Guest guest]

Namaste,

 

This has nothing to do with the Goddess, nor with Shakti Sadhana, nor

Hinduism in general.

 

This is another Christian group breaking into an unrelated message

board to promote their Christian group.

 

This is exactly the rude, inappropriate and unboundried behavior that

gives Christians a bad name.

 

prainbow

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "debralawson999"

<DebraLLawson@a...> wrote:

> Wondrous News. This is why we do what we do.

>

> We received this wondrous communication from our Trinity Healers in

> South Africa. "I'm not sure if J has already told you, but the

> Clinics and Homes we worked at last year, reported that the Babies

> have not been sick since our visits." This means our Trinity

Healers'

> healings and toys program is working "miracles" on these orphaned

> babies with AIDS who live in iron cribs in poverty.

>

> Additional good news unfolded when several hundred people attended

> our benefit teleconference and lecture on January 25th and hundreds

> of teddy bears were collected for delivery to the "Babies Who Die

> Alone". Another benefit teleconference and lecture is scheduled for

> February 15th and we hope this will bring forth many more hundreds

of

> teddy bears and the needed funds to ship the teddy bears to South

> Africa. ...

>

> More than 800,000 babies and children have been orphaned by the

AIDS

> epidemic in South Africa. Most of these orphaned babies and

children

> also have AIDS. Most die alone without a teddy bear or "cuddly

toy"

> to hold as they "lie in iron cribs all day". We have 15 Trinity

> Healers in South Africa giving the human touch and teddy bears to

> the "Babies Who Die Alone". Teddy bears and financial contributions

> are welcome. More information about the "Babies Who Die Alone" and

> the Trinity Healers' personal experiences while healing AIDS babies

> and children is available at www.merkaba.org/toys/healexp.php Many

> babies and children will not live to see Christmas this year. Thus,

> if you cannot attend one of our gatherings we ask that you please

> send your contributions today and not tomorrow to the nearest

> location addressed to "SMT/CLT Toys for Babies with AIDS".

>

> In Africa - c/o Gigi Svorinic; P.O. Box 723; Parklands 2121;

> Johannesburg, South Africa

>

> In the USA - c/o Marian Schroedl; 18503 2nd Avenue N.W.; Shoreline,

> WA 98177

>

> In Canada - c/o Marie Fischer; 111 4th Ave., PO Box 30047; St.

> Catharines ON; L2S 4A1; Canada

>

> In Scotland - c/o Kay Rae; 42 Easton Drive; Shieldhill, Falkirk;

> Scotland; FK1 2DR

>

> In Italy - c/o Jozica Mesaric; Via Ticino 49; Frazione San Biagio;

> 27026 Garlasco (PV); Italy

>

> In Germany - c/o Hilde Govindarasu; Bahnhofstr. 48; D82194

> Groebenzell; Germany

>

> For future updates :

goldenfloweroflife/

[Guest guest]

"This has nothing to do with the Goddess, nor with Shakti Sadhana,

nor Hinduism in general.This is another Christian group breaking into

an unrelated message board to promote their Christian group.This is

exactly the rude, inappropriate and unboundried behavior that

gives Christians a bad name"

 

Greetings Prainbow, Thank you for pointing this out. I am the one who

approve this message. Maybe I am being ignorant but from my own point

of view anything pertains to children are somewhat related and got a

lot to do with Shakti Sadhana. Currently I am helping in a children

home, even though managed by an independent management committee

which consist of christians from the Lutheran organisation. Some of

my hindu friends ask me : why do you go there? My simple answer is :

The Children. When I first decided to do something for this children,

I never bother to find out who managed the home. When the first time

I step into the home, several little faces look up at me and said :

Come in Aunty, Thank you for visiting us. These are the little faces

have keep me coming back again and again. Then one day while doing a

reading session, a young indian child come to me and ask : Aunty,

which Amman do you like best? I look at her and ask: why do you

asked. She replied, over here they only talk about Christ, but I miss

Amman very much.

 

And again another day, the spiritual advisor came to us [ in the

office ] and asked the administrator "when are you going to convert

and become a christian. Why do you still worship those idols"

 

I was there, about to respond harshly but something stop me. My reply

was then : you know when I came here, religion and race have never

been an issue. Even though I Know this is a christian organisation, I

keep on coming back, not because of the church or the management

committee, but because of the children. To me that is the difference

between them [ the organisation ] and me. Should I blame him, nah! I

dont. I learn to accept him as what he is, but I think he is still

trying to understand why we are what we are! And I dont think so he

will understand at all. So I shall let him be in his own world, and

the children will still be my concern.

[Guest guest]

Nora,

 

I see your point of view exactly. I also, do what I do for my own

spiritual reasons and out of the love for the Goddess.

 

I find it irritating, demeaning and exhausting to run into the push

of Christian evangelism everywhere, particularly in charitable work.

 

I am told that President Bush recently made a statement that

government support for "faith based charitable programs" would not

extend to any Pagan groups because he considered the idea of Pagan

charity to simply be ridiculous, too ridiculous to consider. The

predjudice and arrogance that you describe, the voracious hunger of

Christian evangelism is exhausting and discouraging to me.

 

It seems to me that what you describe as your input into that

organization is not at all the same as the managers there. And yet,

here in the U.S. those groups get backing because they claim that

even though they are Christian organizations they are not primarily

trying to convert, that they are genuinely trying to meet a need. I

just find too much evidence to the contrary.

 

This week I'm tired because of the "Defense of Marriage Act" that a

local stateswoman is trying to push through our legislature. The

claim is that heterosexual marriage needs defending. Now, mind you,

I've never tried to tear up a heterosexual marriage. When someone

tells me that they are married, I'm very supportive. It's tough to

maintain that commitment and people need the support of their

communities to make it.

 

In fact, I'm even financially supportive, albeit against my will.

I've always paid taxes and for health insurance and everything at the

Single (higher) rate and this subsidizes the folks who get to take

advantage of benefits at the (lower) married rate.

 

And when I was married to another woman I had to defend my marriage

all the time. I had to defend it to my family and on the job. I had

to defend it at the hospital so that I would be allowed to visit as

a "family" member. Seems like not a week went by without my having to

defend my marriage. Little wonder it didn't last as long as we vowed

that it would.

 

Yep. Deeply ironic that laws that would put another layer of burden

on same sex marriages claim to be "defending" the state of

heterosexual marriages. I think it ought to be called

the "Additional Assault on (same sex) Marriage Act"

 

That's why this "Wonderous News" posting bothered me. I just feel

like certain groups play word games and aren't being on the level

about what they are really pushing. And it wears me out.

 

On the other hand, this little exchange resulted in another

delightful story from you and I always like those. I'm so glad that

that Indian child had you there. What a source of comfort and

affirmation you must have been. Thank you for reminding me that She

will send us messages of hope no matter where we are.

 

Bright Blessings,

 

prainbow

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> "This has nothing to do with the Goddess, nor with Shakti Sadhana,

> nor Hinduism in general.This is another Christian group breaking

into

> an unrelated message board to promote their Christian group.This is

> exactly the rude, inappropriate and unboundried behavior that

> gives Christians a bad name"

>

> Greetings Prainbow, Thank you for pointing this out. I am the one

who

> approve this message. Maybe I am being ignorant but from my own

point

> of view anything pertains to children are somewhat related and got

a

> lot to do with Shakti Sadhana. Currently I am helping in a children

> home, even though managed by an independent management committee

> which consist of christians from the Lutheran organisation. Some of

> my hindu friends ask me : why do you go there? My simple answer

is :

> The Children. When I first decided to do something for this

children,

> I never bother to find out who managed the home. When the first

time

> I step into the home, several little faces look up at me and said :

> Come in Aunty, Thank you for visiting us. These are the little

faces

> have keep me coming back again and again. Then one day while doing

a

> reading session, a young indian child come to me and ask : Aunty,

> which Amman do you like best? I look at her and ask: why do you

> asked. She replied, over here they only talk about Christ, but I

miss

> Amman very much.

>

> And again another day, the spiritual advisor came to us [ in the

> office ] and asked the administrator "when are you going to convert

> and become a christian. Why do you still worship those idols"

>

> I was there, about to respond harshly but something stop me. My

reply

> was then : you know when I came here, religion and race have never

> been an issue. Even though I Know this is a christian organisation,

I

> keep on coming back, not because of the church or the management

> committee, but because of the children. To me that is the

difference

> between them [ the organisation ] and me. Should I blame him, nah!

I

> dont. I learn to accept him as what he is, but I think he is still

> trying to understand why we are what we are! And I dont think so he

> will understand at all. So I shall let him be in his own world, and

> the children will still be my concern.

[Guest guest]

Greetings Prainbrow

 

"I find it irritating, demeaning and exhausting to run into the

push

of Christian evangelism everywhere, particularly in charitable

work."

 

Me too but like any other obstacles I have to face, I have learn to

not just tolerate them but accept them as they are. Instead of trying

to "fight" them I made them my friends. There are many times

these

Christian Evangelist came to my house [ back then in Singapore as we

are quite liberal unlike the current place I am residing in ], trying

to preach. Well what do I do? I invite them in. Let them talk and

listen to what they have to say. Offer them drinks and thereafter

once they are done, say thank you, bit them farewell and say "May

Devi Bless you always for the fine work you have done". This is

how I

handle Christian Evangelist. I do not reject or be rude to them, I

accept them because to me they have no effect on me whatsoever. I

have attended several management meetings, and every time before they

start the meeting they go into this prayers mode. What do I do? I

join them. When they say Amen! I Say Amen to! When they say : May the

lord …" I do the same too, but their Lord and my lord that I am

referring to may be different. Who cares as for as I am concern, for

they look so happy when they see me joining them. And I am happy too

but our happiness are for a different reason.

 

"would not extend to any Pagan groups because he considered the

idea

of Pagan charity to simply be ridiculous, too ridiculous to consider.

The predjudice and arrogance that you describe, the voracious hunger

of

Christian evangelism is exhausting and discouraging to me."

 

That is why we shouldn't. We should continue to be strong and no

matter what they say does not or should not discourage us. We should

remain focus in our intention. Perhaps this is where the support

group comes in. My question will be : how organize are the pagan

groups? How responsive are the pagan groups in dealing with such a

situation?

 

I feel by looking back at our own weakness and strength, we can and

should be able to overcome any prejudices. During my nursing days, I

used to hear such statement : Nurses are not been given due credit.

Nurses are not given the respect etc. [ I think I am still hearing

them even now] and my responses will be : Do the nurses deserve the

respect? What have the nurses done to improve their self image. You

do not demand respect, you have to gain them. If we want change then

we must initiate the change within ourselves and become the ripple to

that change.

 

I personally believe our basic principles must be strong, then no

matter what others say, will not stir us. If somebody comes and say :

You are really a fool, I will respond : Yeah! may be I am. It takes a

fool to recognize another fool.

 

That is why I say, makes them different from us. Their mind is so

limited and fractured that they can't see at all. It is like

having

somebody throw dirt at you. You don't throw back then you are no

different from them. Take the dirt, dissect them and learn what you

can from it and you becomes an expert in dirt. And turn the dirt into

something productive and give it back to them or better still use it

for our advantage.

 

"That's why this "Wonderous News" posting bothered me. I just feel

like certain groups play word games and aren't being on the level

about what they are really pushing. And it wears me out."

 

Don't be. Its good to know what they are up to.

 

"Thank you for reminding me that She will send us messages of

hope no

matter where we are."

 

Indeed she does all the time.

[Guest guest]

Well said. I am sure that your Guu, if you have one, will bless you for your

equanimity, which is the be all and end all of Kaula system.

Kochu

 

"N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy wrote:

Greetings Prainbrow

 

"I find it irritating, demeaning and exhausting to run into the push of

Christian evangelism everywhere, particularly in charitable work."

 

Me too but like any other obstacles I have to face, I have learn to not just

tolerate them but accept them as they are. Instead of trying

to "fight" them I made them my friends. There are many times these Christian

Evangelist came to my house [ back then in Singapore as we are quite liberal

unlike the current place I am residing in ], trying to preach. Well what do I

do? I invite them in. Let them talk and

listen to what they have to say. Offer them drinks and thereafter once they are

done, say thank you, bit them farewell and say "May Devi Bless you always for

the fine work you have done". This is how I handle Christian Evangelist. I do

not reject or be rude to them, I

accept them because to me they have no effect on me whatsoever. I have attended

several management meetings, and every time before they start the meeting they

go into this prayers mode. What do I do? I join them. When they say Amen! I Say

Amen to! When they say : May the

lord …" I do the same too, but their Lord and my lord that I am referring to may

be different. Who cares as for as I am concern, for they look so happy when they

see me joining them. And I am happy too but our happiness are for a different

reason.

 

"would not extend to any Pagan groups because he considered the idea

of Pagan charity to simply be ridiculous, too ridiculous to consider. The

predjudice and arrogance that you describe, the voracious hunger of Christian

evangelism is exhausting and discouraging to me."

 

That is why we shouldn't. We should continue to be strong and no matter what

they say does not or should not discourage us. We should remain focus in our

intention. Perhaps this is where the support group comes in. My question will be

: how organize are the pagan

groups? How responsive are the pagan groups in dealing with such a situation?

 

I feel by looking back at our own weakness and strength, we can and should be

able to overcome any prejudices. During my nursing days, I used to hear such

statement : Nurses are not been given due credit. Nurses are not given the

respect etc. [ I think I am still hearing

them even now] and my responses will be : Do the nurses deserve the respect?

What have the nurses done to improve their self image. You do not demand

respect, you have to gain them. If we want change then we must initiate the

change within ourselves and become the ripple to

that change.

 

I personally believe our basic principles must be strong, then no matter what

others say, will not stir us. If somebody comes and say : You are really a fool,

I will respond : Yeah! may be I am. It takes a fool to recognize another fool.

 

That is why I say, makes them different from us. Their mind is so limited and

fractured that they can't see at all. It is like having somebody throw dirt at

you. You don't throw back then you are no different from them. Take the dirt,

dissect them and learn what you

can from it and you becomes an expert in dirt. And turn the dirt into something

productive and give it back to them or better still use it for our advantage.

 

"That's why this "Wonderous News" posting bothered me. I just feel like certain

groups play word games and aren't being on the level about what they are really

pushing. And it wears me out."

 

Don't be. Its good to know what they are up to.

 

"Thank you for reminding me that She will send us messages of hope no matter

where we are."

 

Indeed she does all the time.

 

 

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Nora,

 

Actually, I find it important to respectfully stand up for diversity

and acceptance. In my groups where we open and close with prayers, I

won't say the "Our Father" prayer because it does not reflect my

faith and because it is directly from the Christian New Testament and

I think that it's wrong to say prayers that contradict your true

beliefs. When I have the opportunity to select the prayer, I request

the "Serenity Prayer" which is much more non denominational. These

groups are according to their own traditions non-denominational, so

that's an appropriate choice.

 

One of the things that I have found is that there are other non-

Christians who are relieved to have someone willing to stand up for

other non-Christians. The reason that they are relieved is because it

is challenging to take a stand like that. That's why I say it is

exhausting. Speaking up for yourself and others on personal matters

like spirituality and religion is challenging, sometimes stressful.

 

Now in my regular groups we almost always end with the Serenity

Prayer and people are much more aware of what is Christian and what

is more inclusive. Also at the end of meetings when we begin the

prayer, I can hear in the chorus of voices that some people begin

with "God" and some people begin with "Goddess" and I find that very

gratifying. I remember how much courage it took to be the only person

in the room that said "Goddess" to begin the prayer, the looks that I

got from other people. I know it was difficult, but I created space

for other people who worship the Goddess to begin their prayers

honestly and without fear. Also, I tried very hard to be clear and

respectful and now the Christians do not feel as threatened by the

diversity, or if they do, they do not confront the non-Christians

with accusing or dismissive tones.

 

I have always been polite and positive to the evangelists that have

come to my door. Most of them are Jehovah's witnesses. I never

invited them in because I am a woman who lives alone and I never

invite in strangers ever. However my biological mother had a sister

who was a JW and in her very troubled life, her religion gave her a

lot of hope and strength. I always mention this to them and tell them

that, although I have a faith already and it is not Christian I will

always be grateful that their faith gave strength to my aunt.

However, since I found a lovely pentacle and put it on my door they

don't come around any more.

 

To me it is not just important to be nice to the vocal and agressive

Christians. It is also important to be nice for the sake of the quiet

non-Christians who wish that there was more space for them. I am not

the only non-Christian. It is not merely selfish that I create space

for diversity and acceptance.

 

Also I have found that many Christians honestly do wish to be more

open and accepting and they have been blinded by the overwhelming

presence of their own religion in U.S. public life. Many were

surprised to consider that the "Lord's Prayer" is not non-

denominational and when they were told that A) it comes from a VERY

specific Christian source and B) not everyone views the divine as

paternal and masculine they took it as food for thought and an

opening to a different perspective. This is not being rude, this is

treating them as though they were able to consider different

perspectives and new ideas.

 

However, it is important to me that I have the energy to swallow my

irritation and discuss these matters clearly and respectfully.

 

Also, it is important for me to know the difference between private

and public space. I don't go around to Christian churches asking that

they drop the Lord's Prayer and be more open to Devi. That would not

only be rude, it would open the door for them to come into my worship

space and demand that I make room for Christ. Oh, wait, that's what

they do when they come to my door. Well, I don't do that, no matter

what they do.

 

Also, I don't demand that all people say Devi prayers instead of non-

denominational ones. I have space at home to pray as I wish.

 

I hope only to open the public space, to open discussion and make way

for people to hold different views joyfully.

 

Bright Blessings,

 

prainbow

[Guest guest]

Dear Kochu ...

 

With apologies to Nora, in case this embarasses her: But I wanted to

let you know that our dear Nora *is* indeed now initiated into

SriVidya; her Guru is not the same as mine, but is nonetheless a

wonderful person and highly advanced soul whom I respect every bit

as much. Her recent progress is indeed astonishing, as anyone who

knows her can see -- her example, as much as my own experience, is

sufficient to settle any questions I may ever have harbored about

the efficacy of a guru on this path.

 

DB

 

, sankara menon <kochu1tz>

wrote:

> Well said. I am sure that your Guu, if you have one, will bless

you for your equanimity, which is the be all and end all of Kaula

system.

> Kochu