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I spoke to the elusive blueblackeyes (Chumki) via IM earlier today,

and -- with her permission, of course (and minus emoticons, if we

sound a little flat) -- I'd like to share some of her rather astute

comments:

 

devi_bhakta: hi chumki, hope i didn't feel like i was harassing you

by pressing you to elaborate on your bollywood comment?

 

blueblackeyes: not at all, you would never do that

 

devi_bhakta i was just interested to hear your opinion

 

blueblackeyes: well, as i was telling my daughter, when we used to

visit the different puja "pandals" we would almost always overhear

someone say that the goddess's facial features were of a certain

actress!

 

devi_bhakta: i understand, i think -- maybe the central face of the

Tridevi looks a little too much like Madhuri Dixit? *lol*

 

blueblackeyes: yes! i am glad u understand what i was trying to say

 

devi_bhakta: so you would say the Bollywood thing is just kind of

a "lowbrow" way of approaching the portrayal of Devi?

 

blueblackeyes: it's my personal feelings, that's all

 

devi_bhakta: yes, i understood that. it's just interesting to hear

an opinion from a serious person like yourself

 

blueblackeyes: you are right about tightly clad sarees and garish

colours etc in your last post, that's what i was trying to

say! "bhakti" goes out the window when one sees that. people are

busy comparing Hema Malini to Durga!

 

devi_bhakta: *lol* and the male gods too -- starting to look like a

lot like Schwartzenegger lately!

 

blueblackeyes: *lol* well, others may enjoy the tight-fitting

clothes, but i do not

 

devi_bhakta: and you think this tridevi group picture falls pretty

hard into that category, huh?

 

blueblackeyes: yes i do. the face is totally wrong, and the outfit.

just having four hands doesn't do anything.

 

devi_bhakta: what don't you like about the face?

 

blueblackeyes: it is a movie star face. in the Shakti sadhana

homepage you can see the classical face and that's what i like.

especially one of them in the bengali style

 

devi_bhakta: but it can be hard to define that line , don't you

think? between a classical face and a movie-star face?

 

blueblackeyes: yes, it's all a personal thing.

 

devi_bhakta: which is to say, you know it when you see it?

 

blueblackeyes: yes, but my generation is old school

 

devi_bhakta: old school is not a bad thing

 

blueblackeyes: it may not be bad, no. but it may not be acceptable

to some people.

 

devi_bhakta: everything is changing very quickly today – so it's all

the more important to ensure that we don't lose what's of value in

the old way in rushing to adopt something new. that's why i pursued

this thread.

 

blueblackeyes: true, but that is not so easy. saying something and

doing it is totally different.

 

devi_bhakta: yes, that is true.

 

(FINIS)

 

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta> wrote:

> Namaste Chumki, Satish, and Kalipadma:

>

> Satish asked: *** What does "bollywood treatment" mean? Can you

> elaborate or give some examples? ***

>

> This is not my original idea or anything. Studies of popular Hindu

> art commonly mention the influence of popular cinema upon the

> imagination of popular devotional artists. I just checked

> Blurton's "Hindu Art" survey last night, and he identifies -- in

the

> case of goddess portrayals -- clinging, tightly fitted saris (as

> seen in Bollywood films), as opposed to the more natural and

modest

> draping usually seen in real life; garish colors and ornamentation

> detail (as opposed to the more subdued and austere classical

> portrayals); fairer complexions and less "ethnic" facial features

> (as is common in Bollywood actors and actresses. The same applies

to

> male deities, who are nowadays gifted with increasingly "pumped-

up"

> action-hero physiques.

>

> Chumki wrote, *** What I am trying to say is that what I grew up

> with is what you referred to as clasical sculptures.These deities

> evoked emotions that today's movie star inspired images do not, at

> least for me. ***

>

> I think that pretty much sums up the issue.

>

> Len notes, *** I recall Devi Bhakta wrote about when Hindu

> devotional posters started portraying most of the deities with

> European complexions. There was an English-language book published

> on the topic in India -- what was the title and author? ***

>

> Yes, I'd posted a detailed book review from the Times of India, I

> think, but I can't find it in the archives. If anyone recalls, and

> can find it, I'd appreciate it. I did find a more recent posting

> along the same lines, though, called "The Aesthetic of Indian

> Calendar Art":

>

> /message/8177

>

> *** is there some way we Westerners can purchase the book? ***

>

> India Club (http://www.indiaclub.com) -- based in New Jersey, USA -

-

> can generally find just about any Indian book you can imagine, if

> you just ask, then give them a few weeks to search. This is a

fairly

> recent book, so perhaps it's even in stock.

>

> DB

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Maybe we will soon have a non-bollywood vaaraahi. I sent my friend home with a

professional photographer to take the pic of the painting and hopefully within a

week I will get a jpeg e-copy, which I hope would be posted here.

Kochu

Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:

I spoke to the elusive blueblackeyes (Chumki) via IM earlier today,

and -- with her permission, of course (and minus emoticons, if we

sound a little flat) -- I'd like to share some of her rather astute

comments:

 

devi_bhakta: hi chumki, hope i didn't feel like i was harassing you

by pressing you to elaborate on your bollywood comment?

 

blueblackeyes: not at all, you would never do that

 

devi_bhakta i was just interested to hear your opinion

 

blueblackeyes: well, as i was telling my daughter, when we used to

visit the different puja "pandals" we would almost always overhear

someone say that the goddess's facial features were of a certain

actress!

 

devi_bhakta: i understand, i think -- maybe the central face of the

Tridevi looks a little too much like Madhuri Dixit? *lol*

 

blueblackeyes: yes! i am glad u understand what i was trying to say

 

devi_bhakta: so you would say the Bollywood thing is just kind of

a "lowbrow" way of approaching the portrayal of Devi?

 

blueblackeyes: it's my personal feelings, that's all

 

devi_bhakta: yes, i understood that. it's just interesting to hear

an opinion from a serious person like yourself

 

blueblackeyes: you are right about tightly clad sarees and garish

colours etc in your last post, that's what i was trying to

say! "bhakti" goes out the window when one sees that. people are

busy comparing Hema Malini to Durga!

 

devi_bhakta: *lol* and the male gods too -- starting to look like a

lot like Schwartzenegger lately!

 

blueblackeyes: *lol* well, others may enjoy the tight-fitting

clothes, but i do not

 

devi_bhakta: and you think this tridevi group picture falls pretty

hard into that category, huh?

 

blueblackeyes: yes i do. the face is totally wrong, and the outfit.

just having four hands doesn't do anything.

 

devi_bhakta: what don't you like about the face?

 

blueblackeyes: it is a movie star face. in the Shakti sadhana

homepage you can see the classical face and that's what i like.

especially one of them in the bengali style

 

devi_bhakta: but it can be hard to define that line , don't you

think? between a classical face and a movie-star face?

 

blueblackeyes: yes, it's all a personal thing.

 

devi_bhakta: which is to say, you know it when you see it?

 

blueblackeyes: yes, but my generation is old school

 

devi_bhakta: old school is not a bad thing

 

blueblackeyes: it may not be bad, no. but it may not be acceptable

to some people.

 

devi_bhakta: everything is changing very quickly today – so it's all

the more important to ensure that we don't lose what's of value in

the old way in rushing to adopt something new. that's why i pursued

this thread.

 

blueblackeyes: true, but that is not so easy. saying something and

doing it is totally different.

 

devi_bhakta: yes, that is true.

 

(FINIS)

 

, "Devi Bhakta"

<devi_bhakta> wrote:

> Namaste Chumki, Satish, and Kalipadma:

>

> Satish asked: *** What does "bollywood treatment" mean? Can you

> elaborate or give some examples? ***

>

> This is not my original idea or anything. Studies of popular Hindu

> art commonly mention the influence of popular cinema upon the

> imagination of popular devotional artists. I just checked

> Blurton's "Hindu Art" survey last night, and he identifies -- in

the

> case of goddess portrayals -- clinging, tightly fitted saris (as

> seen in Bollywood films), as opposed to the more natural and

modest

> draping usually seen in real life; garish colors and ornamentation

> detail (as opposed to the more subdued and austere classical

> portrayals); fairer complexions and less "ethnic" facial features

> (as is common in Bollywood actors and actresses. The same applies

to

> male deities, who are nowadays gifted with increasingly "pumped-

up"

> action-hero physiques.

>

> Chumki wrote, *** What I am trying to say is that what I grew up

> with is what you referred to as clasical sculptures.These deities

> evoked emotions that today's movie star inspired images do not, at

> least for me. ***

>

> I think that pretty much sums up the issue.

>

> Len notes, *** I recall Devi Bhakta wrote about when Hindu

> devotional posters started portraying most of the deities with

> European complexions. There was an English-language book published

> on the topic in India -- what was the title and author? ***

>

> Yes, I'd posted a detailed book review from the Times of India, I

> think, but I can't find it in the archives. If anyone recalls, and

> can find it, I'd appreciate it. I did find a more recent posting

> along the same lines, though, called "The Aesthetic of Indian

> Calendar Art":

>

> /message/8177

>

> *** is there some way we Westerners can purchase the book? ***

>

> India Club (http://www.indiaclub.com) -- based in New Jersey, USA -

-

> can generally find just about any Indian book you can imagine, if

> you just ask, then give them a few weeks to search. This is a

fairly

> recent book, so perhaps it's even in stock.

>

> DB

 

 

 

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