Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Here is some beautiful information that unites many different spiritual traditions (including Hindu). I am looking for a picture of Buddha under the tree to include in a music video I am making; that is where these posts of mine are coming from this morning. (If anyone knows of such pictures, drawings, renderings available online - or elsewhere - let me know.) The following article reminds me of a Mary Parker Follett quote I posted awhile back that I found in Ken Cloke's book The End of Management and the Rise of Organizational Democracy. Follett (1868-1933) is a mother of mediation in the U.S. She said: "Individuality is the capacity for union. Evil is non-relation. The source of our strength is the central supply. You may as well break a branch off the tree and expect it to live. Non-relation is death." The full text of the article below is at http://www.watershed.org/news/fall_93/universe.html "The Shape of the Universe Howard Reingold If you are fortunate enough to share a neighborhood with a leafy elm, a gnarly oak, a soaring redwood, take another look at its silhouette against the sky. That self-similar 4-D explosion of branching branches is a clue to a cosmic riddle or two, and a key concept in fields as unrelated as vascular surgery and software design. The Buddha knew this, and so do neurologists, database programmers, and mythologists. Axis mundi, the axis of the world, is the tree at the center of everything sacred. Mythologist Joseph Campbell, referring to the Buddha's awakening, noted that: "This is the most important single moment in Oriental mythology, a counterpart of the Crucifixion of the West. The Buddha beneath the Tree of Enlightenment (the Bo tree) and Christ on Holy Rood (the tree of redemption) are analogous figures, incorporating an archetypal World Savior, World Tree motif, which is immemorial antiquity." To Hindu dream adepts, the question of how you know that you are awake is at once psychological and metaphysical. David Shulman, in Tamil Temple Myths, discusses a character in a myth who realizes that he is dreaming the tragedy of his life, and notes: "The nature of his delusion is clear from the moment he first catches sight of the upside-down tree-a classic Indian symbol for the reality that underlies and is hidden by life in the world, with its false goals and misleading perceptions." To say nothing of the Garden of Eden and its two special trees. Why do trees always happen to be on the set when God talks? It doesn't matter whether your cosmology is Hebrew, Christian, Hindu, Buddhist, pagan, Shamanist or Animist: trees are always part of the scenery when a theophany happens. Tradition has it that the Buddha's tree was the type known as "pipal" (ficus religiosa), and that it was precisely as old as the fellow who sat down in its shade to catch a case of satori. Sakyamuni, as the Buddha was known pre-enlightenment, had a lifelong habit of sitting under pipal trees that were exactly his age. It was also written that the Buddha's mother (a.k.a. Maya Devi) held onto the branches of a pipal while she gave birth to him. Why a tree? Why not a seashell, a lightning bolt, an old man with a beard? The iconography is not strictly Asian: Yggdrasil, the world-Ash, is Norse. The Druids were far from India and China. The theme surfaces in folktales, holy books, cave paintings, tiled mosques, and frescoed chapels on every part of the globe. The Chinese saw it as a giant peach tree that bore the fruit of immortality. In the nineteenth century, German scholars discovered that the word temple derives from the Indo-European roots meaning "sacred grove." The visual representation of a tree that branches at both ends is a model of the universe as a living organism, a metaphorical map that serves equally well for the cosmos external to the individual and the spectrum of consciousness deep within - with its highest branches in the heavens and its roots deep within the dark underrealm. " Om Shakti Shivyaikya Rupinyai Namaha Does anyone know what "rupinyai" means? A swami of Amma's told me that the above mantra is derisive of Devi. Why would this be, can someone enlighten me? Mary Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Om Shakti Shivyaikya Rupinyai Namaha That is wrong and sounds offensive. It is shivaH shaktyaikya rupiNI. What kind of perversion is that? > > Does anyone know what "rupinyai" means? rUpiNi means, one who is of that(whichever precedes the word rUpiNi) form. Ex: shiva rUpiNi means, She who is of/in the form of Shiva. likewise one can way lakShmI rUpiNi meaning , She who is in the form of lakShmi or wealth. >A swami of Amma's > told me that the above mantra is derisive of Devi. Why would this > be, can someone enlighten me? Becoz the Lalita Sahasranama praises Her as shivaH shaktyaikya rupiNI. Each name in Lalita sahasranama is equal to a mantra. Twisting names from LS is definitely derisive of Her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Hi Satish: Actually, my apologies are in order: I am the one who twisted it in error. It was originally stated "...Shiva Shaktyaikya Rupinyai..." and THAT was what the swami said was derisive. Maybe he thought so because from what you say, it sounds as though that phrase means Shakti is of Shiva and not the other way around. Mary Ann , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> > wrote: > > > Om Shakti Shivyaikya Rupinyai Namaha > > > That is wrong and sounds offensive. It is shivaH shaktyaikya > rupiNI. > > What kind of perversion is that? > > > > > Does anyone know what "rupinyai" means? > > rUpiNi means, one who is of that(whichever precedes the word > rUpiNi) form. > > Ex: shiva rUpiNi means, She who is of/in the form of Shiva. > > likewise one can way lakShmI rUpiNi meaning , She who is in > the form of lakShmi or wealth. > > >A swami of Amma's > > told me that the above mantra is derisive of Devi. Why would this > > be, can someone enlighten me? > > Becoz the Lalita Sahasranama praises Her as > shivaH shaktyaikya rupiNI. Each name in Lalita sahasranama is equal > to a mantra. Twisting names from LS is definitely derisive of Her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Om ShivaH shaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha SHE who is of the combined/union(aikya) form(Rupinyai) of Shiva and Shakti. Not sure why it is derisive, perhaps because the reference is to Ardhanarishwara(a form of Siva). Is the Amma you are referring to Mata Amritanandamayi? Amma Herself told me that this mantra venerates both Siva and Shakti equally... maybe the swami was just stating his opinion. Aum Namasivaya -yogaman , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Hi Satish: > > Actually, my apologies are in order: I am the one who twisted it in > error. It was originally stated "...Shiva Shaktyaikya Rupinyai..." > and THAT was what the swami said was derisive. Maybe he > thought so because from what you say, it sounds as though that > phrase means Shakti is of Shiva and not the other way around. > > Mary Ann > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2004 Report Share Posted March 13, 2004 Hello yogaman: Thanks for your input. Yes, I mean Mata Amritanandamayi Devi. I did not understand why her swami would tell me that. It had something to do with the word "rupinyai," and so I have wondered about it ever since. , "childofdevi" <childofdevi> wrote: > Om ShivaH shaktyaikya Rupinyai Namaha > > SHE who is of the combined/union(aikya) form(Rupinyai) of Shiva and > Shakti. > > Not sure why it is derisive, perhaps because the reference is to > Ardhanarishwara(a form of Siva). Is the Amma you are referring to > Mata Amritanandamayi? Amma Herself told me that this mantra > venerates both Siva and Shakti equally... maybe the swami was just > stating his opinion. > > Aum Namasivaya > -yogaman > > > > , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> > wrote: > > Hi Satish: > > > > Actually, my apologies are in order: I am the one who twisted it in > > error. It was originally stated "...Shiva Shaktyaikya Rupinyai..." > > and THAT was what the swami said was derisive. Maybe he > > thought so because from what you say, it sounds as though that > > phrase means Shakti is of Shiva and not the other way around. > > > > Mary Ann > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:44:09 -0000 "Mary Ann" <maryann writes: > > Om Shakti Shivyaikya Rupinyai Namaha > > Does anyone know what "rupinyai" means? rupini-yai = to the (female) form. <namaha> (I bow) <rupinyai> (to the female form) <shivyaikya> (who is like Shiva) <om shakti> (Oh Goddess/Energy) I bow to the Goddess/Energy who is like Shiva, but in female form. A swami of Amma's > told me that the above mantra is derisive of Devi. Why would this > be, can someone enlighten me? It implies that Shakti/ Devi is just Shiva in drag. -- Len/ Kalipadma ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2004 Report Share Posted March 14, 2004 , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Hi Satish: > > Actually, my apologies are in order: I am the one who twisted it in > error. It was originally stated "...Shiva Shaktyaikya Rupinyai..." > and THAT was what the swami said was derisive. Maybe he > thought so because from what you say, it sounds as though that > phrase means Shakti is of Shiva and not the other way around. The essential meaning of that name shivaH shaktyaikya rUpiNi is that Shiva=Shakti. Rgds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 Hi Len: That's interesting since Amma herself told yogaman that it honors both Shakti and Shiva equally. I guess maybe it contains the usual patriarchal preference for the male. Can it be said that Shakti is energy, and Shiva is matter? That all matter is energy, and all energy matter, though in different densities or atomic make-up? Mary Ann , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:44:09 -0000 "Mary Ann" > <maryann@m...> writes: > > > > Om Shakti Shivyaikya Rupinyai Namaha > > > > Does anyone know what "rupinyai" means? > > rupini-yai = to the (female) form. > > <namaha> (I bow) > <rupinyai> (to the female form) > <shivyaikya> (who is like Shiva) > <om shakti> (Oh Goddess/Energy) > > I bow to the Goddess/Energy who is like Shiva, but in female form. > > A swami of Amma's > > told me that the above mantra is derisive of Devi. Why would this > > be, can someone enlighten me? > > It implies that Shakti/ Devi is just Shiva in drag. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2004 Report Share Posted March 15, 2004 wow Mary Ann u hit da nail on da head Mary Ann <maryann wrote:Hi Len: That's interesting since Amma herself told yogaman that it honors both Shakti and Shiva equally. I guess maybe it contains the usual patriarchal preference for the male. Can it be said that Shakti is energy, and Shiva is matter? That all matter is energy, and all energy matter, though in different densities or atomic make-up? Mary Ann , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > > On Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:44:09 -0000 "Mary Ann" > <maryann@m...> writes: > > > > Om Shakti Shivyaikya Rupinyai Namaha > > > > Does anyone know what "rupinyai" means? > > rupini-yai = to the (female) form. > > <namaha> (I bow) > <rupinyai> (to the female form) > <shivyaikya> (who is like Shiva) > <om shakti> (Oh Goddess/Energy) > > I bow to the Goddess/Energy who is like Shiva, but in female form. > > A swami of Amma's > > told me that the above mantra is derisive of Devi. Why would this > > be, can someone enlighten me? > > It implies that Shakti/ Devi is just Shiva in drag. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! / Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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