Guest guest Posted March 28, 2004 Report Share Posted March 28, 2004 Dhyana is a process of going inward, our mind is bahir-muga (going outwards). I should say the tip our mind, if we see the mind as an ice-berg is facing outward, and the attention goes to the tip. The process of attending jumps around. Usually there will be many points in the iceberg even deep down below the surface level which is getting attention, but there's no awareness to this attention. With Dhyana, the mind becomes anthar-muga, with awareness to all attention points in the iceberg. Life is an expression of who we are, and who we want to be. Comparing life to a plot of land, and the expression to be the trees and plants which grow in that plot of land, dhyana takes us deep down into the soil. We usually hold our memories as essences, where the actual experiences cannot be recollected in detail and has dried up but the essence remains. And these essences are like seeds which compete with other essences. If we plant a new seed, sometimes it does not grow, because it is competing with another essence, Dhyana is the process by which we go down into this soil, find the essences, examine it and throw it away or let it remain, so that some of the essences can grow and express itself fully. For discussions on dhyana yoga, please visit http://www.dhyanayoga.info/forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 93 Dhyana is pure awareness. It is improper to say it is "inward", thou IN SOME SENSE it is so. Bahirmukha and antarmukha mean smth different, not literally outside looking and inside. True dhyana is sahaja, there's no effort or concentration in it. Love is the law, love under will. A. , "malyavan_tibet" <malyavan_tibet> wrote: > Dhyana is a process of going inward, our mind is bahir-muga (going > outwards). I should say the tip our mind, if we see the mind as an > ice-berg is facing outward, and the attention goes to the tip. The > process of attending jumps around. Usually there will be many points > in the iceberg even deep down below the surface level which is > getting attention, but there's no awareness to this attention. With > Dhyana, the mind becomes anthar-muga, with awareness to all attention > points in the iceberg. > > Life is an expression of who we are, and who we want to be. Comparing > life to a plot of land, and the expression to be the trees and plants > which grow in that plot of land, dhyana takes us deep down into the > soil. We usually hold our memories as essences, where the actual > experiences cannot be recollected in detail and has dried up but the > essence remains. And these essences are like seeds which compete with > other essences. > If we plant a new seed, sometimes it does not grow, because it is > competing with another essence, Dhyana is the process by which we go > down into this soil, find the essences, examine it and throw it away > or let it remain, so that some of the essences can grow and express > itself fully. > > For discussions on dhyana yoga, please visit > http://www.dhyanayoga.info/forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 29, 2004 Report Share Posted March 29, 2004 Well then my question was What is pure awareness?. And i also said with awareness to all points in the iceberg(including the tip). I agree with you, Dhyana is sahaja and dharana comes from dhyana, whereas in patanjali system taught in some schools, they start with dharana, which is the inferior means as per shivaism schools. , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > 93 > > Dhyana is pure awareness. It is improper to say it is "inward", thou > IN SOME SENSE it is so. Bahirmukha and antarmukha mean smth > different, not literally outside looking and inside. True dhyana is > sahaja, there's no effort or concentration in it. > > Love is the law, love under will. > A. > > > , "malyavan_tibet" > <malyavan_tibet> wrote: > > Dhyana is a process of going inward, our mind is bahir-muga (going > > outwards). I should say the tip our mind, if we see the mind as an > > ice-berg is facing outward, and the attention goes to the tip. The > > process of attending jumps around. Usually there will be many > points > > in the iceberg even deep down below the surface level which is > > getting attention, but there's no awareness to this attention. > With > > Dhyana, the mind becomes anthar-muga, with awareness to all > attention > > points in the iceberg. > > > > Life is an expression of who we are, and who we want to be. > Comparing > > life to a plot of land, and the expression to be the trees and > plants > > which grow in that plot of land, dhyana takes us deep down into > the > > soil. We usually hold our memories as essences, where the actual > > experiences cannot be recollected in detail and has dried up but > the > > essence remains. And these essences are like seeds which compete > with > > other essences. > > If we plant a new seed, sometimes it does not grow, because it is > > competing with another essence, Dhyana is the process by which we > go > > down into this soil, find the essences, examine it and throw it > away > > or let it remain, so that some of the essences can grow and > express > > itself fully. > > > > For discussions on dhyana yoga, please visit > > http://www.dhyanayoga.info/forums Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2004 Report Share Posted March 30, 2004 Pranams, I think of Dhyana as more meditation. Not contemlation, not detached, but involved and fixed, focusing the mind/heart in the direction of Truth. In Dhyana, I think, we may experience exhalted blissful states of consciousness which serve as a taste of the bliss of Samadhi. Pure awareness, I think, is a term that can only be used to describe the state of Samadhi. I think. Hm, above statement may be confusing. Detached and observing THIS plane, but inwardly rushing towards our Beloved. Samadhi, then, would be the state of absortion. Sigh... it sounds beautiful. May She guide us all into Her arms. pranams, Brianna P.S. Above is only a hypothosis. True Dhyana, I think, I have only experienced once or twice, but it could have been any number of things. --- malyavan_tibet <malyavan_tibet wrote: > Well then my question was What is pure awareness?. > And i also said > with awareness to all points in the > iceberg(including the tip). > I agree with you, Dhyana is sahaja and dharana comes > from dhyana, > whereas in patanjali system taught in some schools, > they start with > dharana, which is the inferior means as per shivaism > schools. > > , "Arjuna > Taradasa" > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > > > Dhyana is pure awareness. It is improper to say it > is "inward", > thou > > IN SOME SENSE it is so. Bahirmukha and antarmukha > mean smth > > different, not literally outside looking and > inside. True dhyana is > > sahaja, there's no effort or concentration in it. > > > > Love is the law, love under will. > > A. > > > > > > , > "malyavan_tibet" > > <malyavan_tibet> wrote: > > > Dhyana is a process of going inward, our mind is > bahir-muga > (going > > > outwards). I should say the tip our mind, if we > see the mind as > an > > > ice-berg is facing outward, and the attention > goes to the tip. > The > > > process of attending jumps around. Usually there > will be many > > points > > > in the iceberg even deep down below the surface > level which is > > > getting attention, but there's no awareness to > this attention. > > With > > > Dhyana, the mind becomes anthar-muga, with > awareness to all > > attention > > > points in the iceberg. > > > > > > Life is an expression of who we are, and who we > want to be. > > Comparing > > > life to a plot of land, and the expression to be > the trees and > > plants > > > which grow in that plot of land, dhyana takes us > deep down into > > the > > > soil. We usually hold our memories as essences, > where the actual > > > experiences cannot be recollected in detail and > has dried up but > > the > > > essence remains. And these essences are like > seeds which compete > > with > > > other essences. > > > If we plant a new seed, sometimes it does not > grow, because it is > > > competing with another essence, Dhyana is the > process by which we > > go > > > down into this soil, find the essences, examine > it and throw it > > away > > > or let it remain, so that some of the essences > can grow and > > express > > > itself fully. > > > > > > For discussions on dhyana yoga, please visit > > > http://www.dhyanayoga.info/forums > > > Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time. http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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