an incident and a warning

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--- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

> Such people are a danger to the spiritual world and

> should be shunned. Be very careful as to with whom

> you interact that’s my prayer. Do not believe

> fantasic stories and get carried away. On the net it

> is a virtual Maya

>

> Kochu

 

Kochuji, this is very true. I'm sorry that you had

this unfortunate experience. I've always tried to

steer clear of anyone (on-line or off) who makes

claims as to their spiritual advancement. I have been

blessed to have known a few trully advanced souls, but

they each, consistantly, have claimed to be nowhere.

Always, I found this kind of attitude loveable and

genuine. My own dear Guruji, who I consider to be a

Divine Incarnation, will say that She is "just a crazy

girl" if you ask Her about Her spiritual state!

 

I cringe at the words "should be shunned," however. I

humbly suggest that people like this need to be in the

company of people like you. The fact that this man was

researching fast enough to engage someone like you in

conversation proves that there may have been some

genuine interest under the gross lack of humility.

This person was probably to prideful to admit that he

was still grappling with very human issues, and mental

instability could very well have been one of them.

 

Such people should be prayed for, and encouraged to

pray themselves. In order to heal and calm the chaos

within enough to focus on the spiritual process, a

small amount of effort is required. The rest is Her

grace. So let us pray to Her to shower this man with

grace and help him release the darkness he holds

within. Clearly, he is reaching out for help. And

you're right, it can be dangerous and scary to get

involved in a personal way, on-line or off. But we can

let our hearts be filled with compassion and we can

pray. In this way, all are benefitted.

 

Do not be afraid to be a lion, friends. There are

plenty of people out there who thrive off the energy

of spiritual aspirants. You don't have to engage them.

You can compassionately, but clearly, draw boundaries.

 

 

I realise that when we are trying to cultivate

compassion, peace, lovingkindness, ect. in our hearts,

it is often a struggle to say no, even when we are

starting to feel invaded. But just learn to recognise

that "invaded" feeling, and set the boundary then and

there.

 

By the way, I learned this the really, really hard

way--many, many times.

 

pranams, friends.

 

love, Brianna

 

 

 

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i have the greatest sympathy for that individual.

But keeping company? I did for hours on end trying to make him see reason. But

he will not see reason. I start on explaining and he goes at a tangent. avoiding

the issue and talking of vision of tara and all that. The issue was mis

misconcieved notions on siddhi.

I have seen many destroy themselves in persuit of siddhi. My warnings were not

effecive.

I also saw a possiblity of his misleading others. it is only in the sense that

his ravings on powers and his "capablities" should be ignored that i used the

word "shunned". It is better not to listen to such people as they have no

personal experience but only what they have read at various sites.

 

Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel wrote:

--- sankara menon wrote:

> Such people are a danger to the spiritual world and

> should be shunned. Be very careful as to with whom

> you interact that’s my prayer. Do not believe

> fantasic stories and get carried away. On the net it

> is a virtual Maya

>

> Kochu

 

Kochuji, this is very true. I'm sorry that you had

this unfortunate experience. I've always tried to

steer clear of anyone (on-line or off) who makes

claims as to their spiritual advancement. I have been

blessed to have known a few trully advanced souls, but

they each, consistantly, have claimed to be nowhere.

Always, I found this kind of attitude loveable and

genuine. My own dear Guruji, who I consider to be a

Divine Incarnation, will say that She is "just a crazy

girl" if you ask Her about Her spiritual state!

 

I cringe at the words "should be shunned," however. I

humbly suggest that people like this need to be in the

company of people like you. The fact that this man was

researching fast enough to engage someone like you in

conversation proves that there may have been some

genuine interest under the gross lack of humility.

This person was probably to prideful to admit that he

was still grappling with very human issues, and mental

instability could very well have been one of them.

 

Such people should be prayed for, and encouraged to

pray themselves. In order to heal and calm the chaos

within enough to focus on the spiritual process, a

small amount of effort is required. The rest is Her

grace. So let us pray to Her to shower this man with

grace and help him release the darkness he holds

within. Clearly, he is reaching out for help. And

you're right, it can be dangerous and scary to get

involved in a personal way, on-line or off. But we can

let our hearts be filled with compassion and we can

pray. In this way, all are benefitted.

 

Do not be afraid to be a lion, friends. There are

plenty of people out there who thrive off the energy

of spiritual aspirants. You don't have to engage them.

You can compassionately, but clearly, draw boundaries.

 

 

I realise that when we are trying to cultivate

compassion, peace, lovingkindness, ect. in our hearts,

it is often a struggle to say no, even when we are

starting to feel invaded. But just learn to recognise

that "invaded" feeling, and set the boundary then and

there.

 

By the way, I learned this the really, really hard

way--many, many times.

 

pranams, friends.

 

love, Brianna

 

 

 

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I agree! I was actually suggesting that people such as

this do need the influence of satsang, but that it is

important for us to draw boundaries so we don't get

sucked into their delusions of granduer, and so they

don't continue to suck our energy long after we

recognize the vampire in them. It's easier said than

done! There are a lot of them out there! I went to a

yoga expo here in LA last year and saw hundreds of

them swarming around!

 

To share a personal example: Years ago I was praying

very intently for a spiritual guide. I was not

attached to the idea of a hindu guru specifically,

even though I was raised hindu. Because I didn't know

exactly what I was looking for (only knew it was time

to look), I was very open to those who seemed, or

claimed, to be spiritually advanced.

 

I met a man through a friend that had a real intensity

about him. I wanted to meet him because my friend said

that he was a tantric master with many disciples. At

first he was very aloof with me, and then he began to

call me regularly. He insisted that I was holding very

serious dark energy as the result of emotional pain

issues relating to certain childhood traumas, and that

it was imperative that we meet in private to work out

the block and clear the way for ect., ect. I'm sure

you can imagine. I had a lot of red flags in my mind,

but I believed that time of finding the guru was near,

and the timing seemed right to me.

 

Well, of course, I invited him home to do this "energy

healing" with me. And what transpired could quite

possibly have resulted in rape had I not physically

removed him from my house and filed a complaint with

the police. This person tried every possible means of

convincing me that what he wanted to do was for the

benefit of my soul, and that he was being inwardly

directed by a certain saint called Babaji (the same

Babaji of SRF). When he saw that I could not be

mentally convinced, and that I was becoming angered,

he quickly tried to physically take control, all the

while proclaiming that he was trying to liberate me

from my pain.

 

The most shocking thing of all, was that when I spoke

to my friends about this "tantric master," I learned

that several of them had actually slept with him! They

had been wondering when the bliss was going to kick

in.

 

I found my guru, Amma, soon after, and it was so

obvious to me that She was the one, I couldn't beleive

all the fakes I'd entertained along the way! Of

course, last year I ran into this man at one of Amma's

programs. There was Amma at the other end of the hall

giving darshan, and I found myself filled with rage,

and totally unsure how to handle the situation. I

prayed silently, looking at Amma. As I looked back at

him, he met my gaze with a look of terror and bustled

off without saying a word! When I discovered him

chatting up a young woman in the bookstore (he was

telling her that various saints appear for him and

tell him what to do), I intervened and confronted him.

The girl seemed relieved and he left, looking shaken

up.

 

I also used to be professionally involved with a well

known yoga teacher, whose personal financial and

sexual agenda was the entire motivation for him to

teach. He was (and is) very charismatic, and people

are often very moved by his classes, and go for years

as students, believing everything he says. He

shamelessly robs both his students and employees

financially, and worse, allows these students to trust

him with their spiritual wellfare. When confronted, he

simply accuses one of having no faith and of being a

money-hoarding simpleton. He's quite clever.

 

The lesson I've learned is this. There are many of

this sort out there, and they are looking for

spiritual aspirants. They always make claims about

their spiritual experience and advancement. We have

the ability to both protect ourselves from this kind

of energetic abuse, and we also have the ability to

extend our love and compassion to them- by way of

prayer, the silent song of the heart. Not by outwardly

engaging them.

 

I know, you know, and I think most here would agree

that genuine humility is always a good indication of a

heart in the right place. Use discrimination, and be

strong. That is what I have learned, and as I said

before, I learned it(several times) the hard way

(lol)!

 

 

pranams, friend. Thank you for sharing your

experience. It helped me get a bit more perspective on

mine. Jai Ma!

 

love,

Brianna

 

 

--- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote:

> i have the greatest sympathy for that individual.

> But keeping company? I did for hours on end trying

> to make him see reason. But he will not see reason.

> I start on explaining and he goes at a tangent.

> avoiding the issue and talking of vision of tara and

> all that. The issue was mis misconcieved notions on

> siddhi.

> I have seen many destroy themselves in persuit of

> siddhi. My warnings were not effecive.

> I also saw a possiblity of his misleading others. it

> is only in the sense that his ravings on powers and

> his "capablities" should be ignored that i used the

> word "shunned". It is better not to listen to such

> people as they have no personal experience but only

> what they have read at various sites.

>

> Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel wrote:

> --- sankara menon wrote:

> > Such people are a danger to the spiritual world

> and

> > should be shunned. Be very careful as to with whom

> > you interact that’s my prayer. Do not believe

> > fantasic stories and get carried away. On the net

> it

> > is a virtual Maya

> >

> > Kochu

>

> Kochuji, this is very true. I'm sorry that you had

> this unfortunate experience. I've always tried to

> steer clear of anyone (on-line or off) who makes

> claims as to their spiritual advancement. I have

> been

> blessed to have known a few trully advanced souls,

> but

> they each, consistantly, have claimed to be nowhere.

> Always, I found this kind of attitude loveable and

> genuine. My own dear Guruji, who I consider to be a

> Divine Incarnation, will say that She is "just a

> crazy

> girl" if you ask Her about Her spiritual state!

>

> I cringe at the words "should be shunned," however.

> I

> humbly suggest that people like this need to be in

> the

> company of people like you. The fact that this man

> was

> researching fast enough to engage someone like you

> in

> conversation proves that there may have been some

> genuine interest under the gross lack of humility.

> This person was probably to prideful to admit that

> he

> was still grappling with very human issues, and

> mental

> instability could very well have been one of them.

>

> Such people should be prayed for, and encouraged to

> pray themselves. In order to heal and calm the chaos

> within enough to focus on the spiritual process, a

> small amount of effort is required. The rest is Her

> grace. So let us pray to Her to shower this man with

> grace and help him release the darkness he holds

> within. Clearly, he is reaching out for help. And

> you're right, it can be dangerous and scary to get

> involved in a personal way, on-line or off. But we

> can

> let our hearts be filled with compassion and we can

> pray. In this way, all are benefitted.

>

> Do not be afraid to be a lion, friends. There are

> plenty of people out there who thrive off the energy

> of spiritual aspirants. You don't have to engage

> them.

> You can compassionately, but clearly, draw

> boundaries.

>

>

> I realise that when we are trying to cultivate

> compassion, peace, lovingkindness, ect. in our

> hearts,

> it is often a struggle to say no, even when we are

> starting to feel invaded. But just learn to

> recognise

> that "invaded" feeling, and set the boundary then

> and

> there.

>

> By the way, I learned this the really, really hard

> way--many, many times.

>

> pranams, friends.

>

> love, Brianna

>

>

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For information on any organization or popular Guru with a bad rep see this

site:

 

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Few things I want to add

 

1. NEVER will a true spiritually advanced person use spirituality to sleep with

another. If any one suggests that. Ignoe him/her; avoid him/her. If he/she wants

to sleep with another let him/her do it without using the "spiritual cloak".

Whats now happening in Tantra is it is used as a partner finder. Tantra is NOT

THAT. There is only that much sex in tantra as there is in life. Some rituals

are there I admit but that is not all there is to it.

 

2. Asking for money is another thing. why ask when u are spiritually advanced.

SHE will provide.

 

3. What should happen is complete and COST FREE (materially and mentally)

interaction. If there is anything else GO.

 

Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel wrote:

 

I agree! I was actually suggesting that people such as this do need the

influence of satsang, but that it is important for us to draw boundaries so we

don't get

sucked into their delusions of granduer, and so they don't continue to suck our

energy long after we recognize the vampire in them. It's easier said than

done! There are a lot of them out there! I went to a yoga expo here in LA last

year and saw hundreds of them swarming around!

 

To share a personal example: Years ago I was praying very intently for a

spiritual guide. I was not attached to the idea of a hindu guru specifically,

even though I was raised hindu. Because I didn't know exactly what I was looking

for (only knew it was time to look), I was very open to those who seemed, or

claimed, to be spiritually advanced.

 

I met a man through a friend that had a real intensity about him. I wanted to

meet him because my friend said that he was a tantric master with many

disciples. At first he was very aloof with me, and then he began to call me

regularly. He insisted that I was holding very serious dark energy as the result

of emotional pain issues relating to certain childhood traumas, and that it was

imperative that we meet in private to work out the block and clear the way for

ect., ect. I'm sure you can imagine. I had a lot of red flags in my mind, but I

believed that time of finding the guru was near, and the timing seemed right to

me.

 

Well, of course, I invited him home to do this "energy healing" with me. And

what transpired could quite possibly have resulted in rape had I not physically

removed him from my house and filed a complaint with the police. This person

tried every possible means of convincing me that what he wanted to do was for

the benefit of my soul, and that he was being inwardly directed by a certain

saint called Babaji (the same Babaji of SRF). When he saw that I could not be

mentally convinced, and that I was becoming angered, he quickly tried to

physically take control, all the while proclaiming that he was trying to

liberate me from my pain.

 

The most shocking thing of all, was that when I spoke to my friends about this

"tantric master," I learned that several of them had actually slept with him!

They

had been wondering when the bliss was going to kick in.

 

I found my guru, Amma, soon after, and it was so obvious to me that She was the

one, I couldn't beleive all the fakes I'd entertained along the way! Of course,

last year I ran into this man at one of Amma's programs. There was Amma at the

other end of the hall giving darshan, and I found myself filled with rage,

and totally unsure how to handle the situation. I prayed silently, looking at

Amma. As I looked back at him, he met my gaze with a look of terror and bustled

off without saying a word! When I discovered him chatting up a young woman in

the bookstore (he was telling her that various saints appear for him and tell

him what to do), I intervened and confronted him. The girl seemed relieved and

he left, looking shaken up.

 

I also used to be professionally involved with a well known yoga teacher, whose

personal financial and sexual agenda was the entire motivation for him to teach.

He was (and is) very charismatic, and people are often very moved by his

classes, and go for years as students, believing everything he says. He

shamelessly robs both his students and employees financially, and worse, allows

these students to trust him with their spiritual wellfare. When confronted, he

simply accuses one of having no faith and of being a money-hoarding simpleton.

He's quite clever.

 

The lesson I've learned is this. There are many of this sort out there, and they

are looking for spiritual aspirants. They always make claims about their

spiritual experience and advancement. We have the ability to both protect

ourselves from this kind of energetic abuse, and we also have the ability to

extend our love and compassion to them- by way of prayer, the silent song of the

heart. Not by outwardly engaging them.

 

I know, you know, and I think most here would agree that genuine humility is

always a good indication of a heart in the right place. Use discrimination, and

be

strong. That is what I have learned, and as I said before, I learned it(several

times) the hard way (lol)!

 

 

pranams, friend. Thank you for sharing your experience. It helped me get a bit

more perspective on mine. Jai Ma!

 

love,

Brianna

 

 

--- sankara menon wrote:

i have the greatest sympathy for that individual. But keeping company? I did for

hours on end trying to make him see reason. But he will not see reason.I start

on explaining and he goes at a tangent. avoiding the issue and talking of vision

of tara and all that. The issue was misconcieved notions on siddhi. I have seen

many destroy themselves in persuit of siddhi. My warnings were not effecive.I

also saw a possiblity of his misleading others. it is only in the sense that his

ravings on powers and his "capablities" should be ignored that i used the word

"shunned". It is better not to listen to such people as they have no personal

experience but only what they have read at various sites.

 

 

 

Brianna Mosteller wrote:

 

 

--- sankara menon wrote:

 

 

Such people are a danger to the spiritual world and should be shunned. Be very

careful as to with whom you interact that’s my prayer. Do not believe fantasic

stories and get carried away. On the net it is a virtual Maya

 

Kochu

 

Kochuji, this is very true. I'm sorry that you had this unfortunate experience.

I've always tried to

steer clear of anyone (on-line or off) who makes claims as to their spiritual

advancement. I have

been blessed to have known a few trully advanced souls, but they each,

consistantly, have claimed to be nowhere. Always, I found this kind of attitude

loveable and genuine. My own dear Guruji, who I consider to be a Divine

Incarnation, will say that She is "just a crazy girl" if you ask Her about Her

spiritual state!

I cringe at the words "should be shunned," however. I humbly suggest that people

like this need to be in the company of people like you. The fact that this man

was researching fast enough to engage someone like you in conversation proves

that there may have been some genuine interest under the gross lack of humility.

This person was probably to prideful to admit that

he was still grappling with very human issues, and mental instability could very

well have been one of them.

 

Such people should be prayed for, and encouraged to pray themselves. In order to

heal and calm the chaos within enough to focus on the spiritual process, a small

amount of effort is required. The rest is Her grace. So let us pray to Her to

shower this man with grace and help him release the darkness he holds within.

Clearly, he is reaching out for help. And you're right, it can be dangerous and

scary to get involved in a personal way, on-line or off. But we can

let our hearts be filled with compassion and we can pray. In this way, all are

benefitted.

 

Do not be afraid to be a lion, friends. There are plenty of people out there who

thrive off the energy of spiritual aspirants. You don't have to engage them. You

can compassionately, but clearly, draw boundaries.

 

I realise that when we are trying to cultivate compassion, peace, loving

kindness, ect. in our hearts, it is often a struggle to say no, even when we are

starting to feel invaded. But just learn to recognise that "invaded" feeling,

and set the boundary then and there.

 

By the way, I learned this the really, really hard way--many, many times.

 

pranams, friends.

 

love, Brianna

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

kanna_krishnan2002 wrote "That is why I say buddhi is more important

than siddhi and for a lot of us we come to the crossing point after

obtaining the siddhi (Though the advanced spritual aspirants are

usually applying their buddhi before siddhi)"

 

How do one knows that She/He have obtain the siddhis? It make me

think that Siddhis is something tangible, that we can hold in our

hand. Is it?

[Guest guest]

Namaste Mataji,

 

Yes Mataji, siddhi is something that could be felt though need not neccesarily

be felt by physical hand.

 

Jai Maa!!

 

"N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy wrote:

kanna_krishnan2002 wrote "That is why I say buddhi is more important

than siddhi and for a lot of us we come to the crossing point after

obtaining the siddhi (Though the advanced spritual aspirants are

usually applying their buddhi before siddhi)"

 

How do one knows that She/He have obtain the siddhis? It make me

think that Siddhis is something tangible, that we can hold in our

hand. Is it?

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

"siddhi is something that could be felt though need not neccesarily

be felt by physical hand."

 

 

Serious ! you are saying we can actually feel siddhi? Can you

describe for me the feeling of having siddhi?

[Guest guest]

Namaste Noraji,

 

I wonder why you ask this question. I know that you know that siddhi can be

obtained by sadhaka in specific sadhanas thus it would not be easy to describe

them in word to others but must be "realized" or "acquired"

 

Nevertheless knowing Noraji would always have a good reasoning for asking so

here , I would share what I could describe .May be you want others to know that

such a thing do exist.Then, I was under Swami Nikhleswarananada Maharaj of

Siddhaashram and learning Caitanya Mahakali Sadhana.

 

His DivineSelf did warn me of the siddhis but I wanted Ma more than anything

else.On the 10th day of the sadhana I acquired the siddhi to watch others inner

thought .

 

The feeling is overwhelming. Whenever I meet somebody I know what was the

question in their mind. I always felt heavy in my heart.Thirsty and my hand

would sweat profusely. I started to just stay in my prayers room and people

started to come(I like it first but later found I cannot do my sadhana) . I use

to just look at their toes when the stand in front of me and say what is in

their mind. I only drank salted water love to vibrate bija mantra to take away

thoughts in my mind.Every minutes various thoughts would fill up my mind.I could

not continue my sadhana on the 13th day and requested asan's help. He told me

that is the power of "Chaitenya riddhi "a smaller version of one of the astha

siddhis.He told me it can overwhelmed the sadhaka owning it as to be an obstacle

in his final objective.

 

I requested his blessing to remove them for me to pursue my sadhana sankalpa and

he shared the viddhi to do so . I prayed to Ma that day please do not leave me

with any siddhis other than Her holy feet!!!

 

Jai Maa!!!

 

 

"N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy wrote:

"siddhi is something that could be felt though need not neccesarily

be felt by physical hand."

 

 

Serious ! you are saying we can actually feel siddhi? Can you

describe for me the feeling of having siddhi?

 

 

 

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Kanna _Krishnan2002 wrote : "siddhi is something that could be felt

though need not neccesarily be felt by physical hand."

 

Nora : Serious ! you are saying we can actually feel siddhi? Can you

describe for me the feeling of having siddhi?

 

Kanna_Krishnan2002 :I wonder why you ask this question. I know that

you know that siddhi can be obtained by sadhaka in specific sadhanas

thus it would not be easy to describe them in word to others but must

be "realized" or "acquired" Nevertheless knowing Noraji would always

have a good reasoning for asking so here:

 

Please do not feel offended. Thank you for sharing. Definitely I

asked because there is a reason. Because I really dont know. It

puzzeled me so that one can actually feel the presence of siddhi. YOu

said can be felt. So the obvious reply is how!, I think that is the

logical course of reasoning dont you agree? Because I am being taught

always that way from young : why! what! when! and how!. And how do

you know you have the siddhi? And if you know what are you going to

do about it? What happen when one is conscious of the presence of

siddhis against a person who is not aware of?

 

I think these are legitimate questions. Because I am being told that

we dont think about siddhis at all especially when we do our sadhana.

We do for the love of DEVI.

 

I am aware that siddhi can be obtain by a sadhaka and sadhika not

only for specific sadhanas but for any sadhana on daily basis. That

is my understanding. In my opinion we should not do sadhana just for

siddhis, thought I have come across a person [ no! several persons ]

who says they only do their sadhana when they want something.