Guest guest Posted March 31, 2004 Report Share Posted March 31, 2004 93 Not only Shakta-tantras (most of them do, 99% i say), even pancharatra Laxmi-tantra gives the ritual of maithuna. Some Puranas also say about that, for example Kalika-purana. I have not read PST, but Shrividyarnava (also belonging to Shankara's tradition) gives very detailed account of Stri- and Yoni-puja. I strongly doubt that Mantramahodadhi prescribes celibacy, where U found that? Maybe in some sadhanas, but not in shakta. I cannot disprove Ur statement only 'coz i do not have the text currently. And in Shankara's tradition celibacy is prescribed only for monks, never for grihasthis. Thus PST cannot prescribe strict celibacy! For example in Mantra-maharnava and Shakta-pramoda there's again rather much about maithuna etc. > > Shankaracharya's Prapanchasara tantra talks about intercourse as a > > kind of ritual. I also read that the Satapatha brahmana speaks > about > > intercourse in a similar manner. > > > CAn you tell where in the Prapanchasara does it talk about > intercourse-ritual(can you give the edition as well). My recall is > that like in the MantraMahodadhi, PT requires strict celibacy. > > -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2004 Report Share Posted April 1, 2004 , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > 93 > Not only Shakta-tantras (most of them do, 99% i say), even pancharatra > Laxmi-tantra gives the ritual of maithuna. Some Puranas also say about > that, for example Kalika-purana. > I have not read PST, but Shrividyarnava (also belonging to Shankara's > tradition) gives very detailed account of Stri- and Yoni-puja. Brother Arjuna! LOL. I am very surprised at this; is not the Shrividyarnava by Sri Vidraranya who was a monk himself; Can you give the exact chapter where this is given? I fully agree with you that Maithuna is very important in tantra but this is for the advanced sadhak. Of course the Vaidikaa pashu must follow strict celibacy. Puranas are primarly for Pashus so it is not surprising that they require celibacy. This is not a denigration of Puranas but recognition of the fact that discipline of the senses must be practiced early on by the Pashu. > I strongly doubt that Mantramahodadhi prescribes celibacy, where U > found that? Maybe in some sadhanas, but not in shakta. I cannot You may be right again, there may be some rituals where there is maithuna; but there is a description of restrictions for quick mantra- siddhi in the first chapter- and Mahidhara requires strict celibacy. And again none of the sadhanas in the MM promise any extraordinary results, so maybe this text is for the Pashu type sadhak. Mahidhara also strongly believes in Varnashrama, thereby virtually confirming that this is for the Pashu sadhak. -yogaman > disprove Ur statement only 'coz i do not have the text currently. And > in Shankara's tradition celibacy is prescribed only for monks, never > for grihasthis. Thus PST cannot prescribe strict celibacy! > For example in Mantra-maharnava and Shakta-pramoda there's again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 93 > Brother Arjuna! > > LOL. I am very surprised at this; is not the Shrividyarnava by Sri > Vidraranya who was a monk himself; Can you give the exact chapter > where this is given? Yes, exactly that one by Vidyaranya Yati :-). In printed edition (i believe there is currently only one) it is in the 3rd volume. I don't remember the chapter and don't have text now. I'm abroad currently, so cannot use my library, sorry. U may easily find that thru contents - themes of chapters are given in the beginning of every volume. This text has got the most detailed account of stri-puja i'd ever seen! > I fully agree with you that Maithuna is very important in tantra but > this is for the advanced sadhak. Of course the Vaidikaa pashu must > follow strict celibacy. Vaidika pashu should after studying in brahmacharya ashrama pass to grihastha. Thus vamachara is partly applied to him as well. In Shankara's tradition in it's beginning it was like that; further monks' rules were apread over innocent ppl :-). Puranas are primarly for Pashus so it is not > surprising that they require celibacy. This is not a denigration of > Puranas but recognition of the fact that discipline of the senses > must be practiced early on by the Pashu. Again, Puranas do not require celibacy. They are much moderate than Tantras, of course... But normal pashu is thought to be sooner or later a grihasthi. Celibacy (meaning not indulging in sexual acts) in grihasthashrama is nonsense. > You may be right again, there may be some rituals where there is > maithuna; but there is a description of restrictions for quick mantra- > siddhi in the first chapter- and Mahidhara requires strict celibacy. > And again none of the sadhanas in the MM promise any extraordinary > results, so maybe this text is for the Pashu type sadhak. Mahidhara > also strongly believes in Varnashrama, thereby virtually confirming > that this is for the Pashu sadhak. Mahodadhi is pashu-shastra in general. I do not remember if it has vama-rituals. Probably yes in Mahavidya paddhatis, but i cannot state that. It was never text of my interest. God bless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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