Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 93 Love Very interesting... Thus Tantras only returned to what had been before. Niruttara-tantra (and Pranatoshini) is giving women same right ;-). As the Law states: "The word of Sin is Restriction. O man! refuse not thy wife, if she will! O lover, if thou wilt, depart! There is no bond that can unite the divided but love: all else is a curse. Accursed! Accursed be it to the aeons! Hell" (Liber AL 1.41) Love is the law, love under will. A. > This is absolutely true. It is said in ancient times that women had > greater rights than men(they could walk out of a marriage if they > wanted but men were not allowed to do so). It was Sage Shweteketu ( > uncle to Astavakra) who imposed the present restrictions on women > after his mother walked out in front of his unprotesting father, with > her neighbour. (Ref Tales from the Upanishads, Bharatiya Vidya > Bhavan). > > -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 2, 2004 Report Share Posted April 2, 2004 , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > 93 Love > > Very interesting... Thus Tantras only returned to what had been > before. > Niruttara-tantra (and Pranatoshini) is giving women same right ;-). Rudrayamala tantra seems to think otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 93 , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > , "Arjuna Taradasa" > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 Love > > > > Very interesting... Thus Tantras only returned to what had been > > before. > > Niruttara-tantra (and Pranatoshini) is giving women same right ;-) .. > > Rudrayamala tantra seems to think otherwise. Well, Rudra-yamala is too big to go thru in search of it. However it is a fact that Rudra-yamala a) prescribes vamachara for kali-yuga; b) probably allows enough of sexual freedom for women - when Buddha is giving kaulopadesha to Vasishtha, he is sorrounded by several women; concidering the fact that he was not muslim, we may assume that those women were either unmarried or married with another men; however Buddha is having sex with them and shows this to Vasishtha as being kaulachara. The fact that Pranatoshini quotes those passages from Niruttara shows that author of Pranatoshini agrees with them. Otherwise he simply would have ignored those ideas. BTW Niruttara even describes different kinds of veshyas (prostitutes) who can follow kaulachara. To finish the matter, Tantras give only one ultimate law (of course this apply to viras and divyas, not to pashus): "Following Ur own will is the Law" (it is given in so many Tantras and quoted in several tantric compendiums). This law is for women as well as for men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 wow! ---In a message dated 4/2/2004 2:57:59 PM Pacific Standard Time, bhagatirtha writes: This is absolutely true. It is said in ancient times that women had > greater rights than men(they could walk out of a marriage if they > wanted but men were not allowed to do so). It was Sage Shweteketu ( > uncle to Astavakra) who imposed the present restrictions on women > after his mother walked out in front of his unprotesting father, with > her neighbour. (Ref Tales from the Upanishads, Bharatiya Vidya > Bhavan). > > -yogaman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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