Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 93 Samayachara usually means the lower level of sadhana (that is in pashu-bhava), which is connected with samayas - rules of conduct. This is the meaning of samayachara in Kularnava-tantra, Tantraloka and Kubjika-agamas. When i spoke to some indian scholars about this matter, they clearly said that samaya means this. In the web we may see some queer interpretations of samaya, i have no idea on what Agamas are they based. I may admit that samaya sometimes is equal to siddhantachara, 6th step of shakta-tantrism (one coming before the last, kaulachara). Thus in any case so called shubhagama-panchaka is describing pashvachara, while shri-kula-agamas - vira one. LalitaSN is probably something in the middle - it says about samaya and kaula ways as being equal and contains vamachara as well. About presence of vama-rituals in shubhagamas i have no idea. If anyone read them personally, plz tell, it is interesting. As i remember i've seen at least one of 5 shubha-agamas printed. I can confirm this only in may - if smbody interested, mail me then. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2004 Report Share Posted April 4, 2004 , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > Samayachara usually means the lower level of sadhana (that is in > pashu-bhava), which is connected with samayas - rules of conduct. This > is the meaning of samayachara in Kularnava-tantra, Tantraloka and > Kubjika-agamas. When i spoke to some indian scholars about this > matter, they clearly said that samaya means this. > In the web we may see some queer interpretations of samaya, i have no > idea on what Agamas are they based. I may admit that samaya sometimes > is equal to siddhantachara, 6th step of shakta-tantrism (one coming > before the last, kaulachara). > Thus in any case so called shubhagama-panchaka is describing > pashvachara, while shri-kula-agamas - vira one. LalitaSN is probably > something in the middle - it says about samaya and kaula ways as being > equal and contains vamachara as well. About presence of vama- rituals > in shubhagamas i have no idea. I like to present what Bhaskara-raya(he is known to be a Kaula, he is from Ananda-Bhairava sampradaya) has to say on Samaya and Samayachara in his LalitaSN Bhasya. LS:97: Samayanthasta: Living in Samaya. Samaya is generally explained as offering worship, etc., to a chakra in the ether of the heart. That worship is unanimously decided by all the yogins as the supreme, hence it is called samaya. He adds that samaya can also mean the five books shubhagama panchaka because they describe this internal worship. LS:98: Samayachara tatpara: Devoted to the conduct of samaya. Samayachara means the conduct described in ten chapters of Rudrayamala. He explains how Devi is to be worshipped in the various chakras etc., and how one should think of Her as united with Siva, in the next few lines. As always translation based on R.A.Sastry's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2004 Report Share Posted April 5, 2004 93 > I like to present what Bhaskara-raya(he is known to be a Kaula, he > is from Ananda-Bhairava sampradaya) has to say on Samaya and > Samayachara in his LalitaSN Bhasya. > > LS:97: Samayanthasta: Living in Samaya. > > Samaya is generally explained as offering worship, etc., to a > chakra in the ether of the heart. That worship is unanimously > decided by all the yogins as the supreme, hence it is called samaya. > He adds that samaya can also mean the five books shubhagama panchaka > because they describe this internal worship. Oh, good. Now i got an idea of the sourse of this peculiar view. Perhaps Bhaskararaya introduced this meaning and then it was taken by others. No doubt he was a kaula and vama-sadhaka. Possibilities are two: either "samaya" IN HIS tradition had different meaning (as he presented in LSNB) or he himself changed the meaning (it is ok, he had a right to). However it doesn't change the fact that usually samaya means lower level of sadhana (i've mentioned the sourses). About Shubhagama-5 cannot comment, i didn't read it. > LS:98: Samayachara tatpara: Devoted to the conduct of samaya. > > Samayachara means the conduct described in ten chapters of > Rudrayamala. He explains how Devi is to be worshipped in the various > chakras etc., and how one should think of Her as united with Siva, > in the next few lines. Interesting enough, this name is translated by that pandita using the word "conduct" (thou achara is more properly translated as "way"). Thus it confirms general view that samaya is level of rules and prescriptions and it is below vamachara. I do not remember RY talking about samaya, but may be. In general, RY is a kaula-text. Yes, there are some description of chakras as well as sahasranama for each aspect of Devi present in 'em. In my own point of view samaya corresponds to siddhantachara, 6th one out of 7 (last one is kaula). This is only my opinion, i haven't got references from Tantras in it's proof. Love is the law, love under will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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