Guest guest Posted April 17, 2004 Report Share Posted April 17, 2004 "I am beginning to gradually understand now about this householder role " "So what do you think?" "listening" "Being the householder is the most difficult thing. It is like you being tied down. I know if I am not a householder, renunciation is so easy for me. I can wander around anywhere but being a householder forcing me to stay put and learning to come to terms with the fact. I am a householder now because in my previous life I am not? Being a householder is just the stage I need to go through and learn to come to terms with it? "You would be a traveler and an adventurer, I can see that! "It is said to understand the whole world and how it functions you cannot see it from what they are. To understand them you have to bring them to a level that everybody can understand. In a household you face with a lot of daily routine and problems, if you cannot learn to understand and accept this, how can you learn to understand the whole world and how it works? If you cannot show compassion to your own family how can you show compassion to others? "Yes that is true, that is a good point" "That is how I am beginning to understand this whole concept of Kuala. You remain focus despite the distraction. I love to go to the jungle or to the mountain and go into solitude but I can't because I have family commitment and I learn something: What stops me from having my own "jungle" or "mountain" they are all within me. I can go in and out at any time as I please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Hello M - Would you be kind enough to explain to me what do you mean by "Kuala"? I bought a house a bout a year ago and have been terribly unhappy about it. The house takes time, needs work and attention, but having been a wanderer of sorts most of my life, this has been hard for me to adapt to. I have places to go and explore, people to meet - repairing a gutter or fixing plumbing are some things where I don't wish to put the time, energy or money into. At the apartment where I lived before, the manager of the building took care of that. The word "home" has not been in my vocabulary or thoughts most of my life. Eric , "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > "I am beginning to gradually understand now about this householder > role " > > "So what do you think?" > > "listening" > > "Being the householder is the most difficult thing. It is like > you > being tied down. I know if I am not a householder, renunciation is so > easy for me. I can wander around anywhere but being a householder > forcing me to stay put and learning to come to terms with the fact. I > am a householder now because in my previous life I am not? Being a > householder is just the stage I need to go through and learn to come > to terms with it? > > "You would be a traveler and an adventurer, I can see that! > > "It is said to understand the whole world and how it functions > you cannot see it from what they are. To understand them you have to > bring them to a level that everybody can understand. In a household > you face with a lot of daily routine and problems, if you cannot > learn to understand and accept this, how can you learn to understand > the whole world and how it works? If you cannot show compassion to > your own family how can you show compassion to others? > > "Yes that is true, that is a good point" > > "That is how I am beginning to understand this whole concept of > Kuala. You remain focus despite the distraction. I love to go to the > jungle or to the mountain and go into solitude but I can't > because I have family commitment and I learn something: What stops me > from having my own "jungle" or "mountain" they are all within me. I > can go in and out at any time as I please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 Eric asked : "Would you be kind enough to explain to me what do you mean by "Kuala"? Had this interesting conversation with one of the member, and this is what he have to say : "I think that is why kaulism is called heroic. It is much more difficult to stay spiritually focus with all the noice and business of life. I don't think everyone would want to be a kaula. It seems like people who are drawn to kaula and vamacharya are unusual people in some way or other. They often seem to be people who are outsiders in one way or another. A little more insightful and free thinking than average people think. Most people want the safety of the herd But to be a good kaula. You have to outwardly *appear* as though you are following. But inwardly and secretly remain free and do what you want without drawing attention to yourself " like a double agent eh!" "Yes Devi's Spy in Samsara" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Oh, so there is a term for a person like me.,,, There has a been a discussion between me and some of my friends about the meaning of freedom. There are a lot of forces and things out of ones control or ability to respond to. (Some people hate when I say that because they believe that they are the sole creators of their reality.) My experince is that there seem to be things I can control and there are things that are not within my "control" including my reactions sometimes. What is interesting to me more and more is that for example I have reactions but I'm not reactions. I have a life with all kinds of systems and controls to it but all of those are not who I am. So while things are occuring around me that "force" me to do things, I realize that I am still me and "me" is not the events. This is a reasonalble way to be because when the real choices come - not the artificial choices given to us by the culture - one can make authentic decisions and real actions. There is a balancing act, however, with it. one has to be in the world but not of it. There is a problem, however, with being too aloof and too indifferent to the people and the events around you. I don't think that is real living. This way of being or seeing is not something that many people would consciously go after, you are correct. It make for a life that is porbably more complicated and leaves people around you confused about decisions that one makes that seem to make no sense at all except from the point of view that one is trying to be conscious, awake and aware. It is also a problem when people who like to think in conventional ways about life, the universe and everything might have to look at something differently. At times, it is down right painful at times. Yes, I like that term. Thank you for sharing. Eric , "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > Eric asked : "Would you be kind enough to explain to me what do you > mean by "Kuala"? > > Had this interesting conversation with one of the member, and this is > what he have to say : > > "I think that is why kaulism is called heroic. It is much more > difficult to stay spiritually focus with all the noice and business > of life. I don't think everyone would want to be a kaula. It seems > like people who are drawn to kaula and vamacharya are unusual people > in some way or other. They often seem to be people who are outsiders > in one way or another. A little more insightful and free thinking > than average people think. Most people want the safety of the herd > But to be a good kaula. You have to outwardly *appear* as though you > are following. But inwardly and secretly remain free and do what you > want without drawing attention to yourself > > " like a double agent eh!" > > "Yes Devi's Spy in Samsara" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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