Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 I am trying to find information on these aspects of Kali, Shyama and Bhadrakali, from what little I have been able to find these are considered benevolent and more auspicious aspects. Does anybody have any more info or leads? Thanks Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 93 Greetings! AFAIK "Shyama" is just another name of Dakshinakali (and not any special form). For example bengali text "Shyama-rahasya" deals with worship of Dakshinakalika. Bhadrakali is not "benevolent". Take a look at descriptions of this aspect of Devi in Shastras. Bhadrakali is connected to ferociuos (raudra) forms of Divinity like Pratyangira, Narasimha and Chhinnamasta... Sometimes i read that She is benevolent. Perhaps this view is based on translation of the word "bhadra". But i know not even one reason for such interpretation in Agamas. In one shrilankian temple there is murti of Kalika in similar to Tripurasundari form - She is called "Bhadrakali" locally. I have photo of that form, beautiful. But i guess that is NOT in fact Bhadrakali :-). A. , "Jay" <machilongo> wrote: > I am trying to find information on these aspects of Kali, Shyama and > Bhadrakali, from what little I have been able to find these are > considered benevolent and more auspicious aspects. Does anybody have > any more info or leads? > > Thanks > > Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Don't forget Raksha Kali (Kali the Protector). As a rule, Kali's who hold the sword in their left hand are more auspicious than those with the sword in their right hand. I'm searching for a book in English that discusses the iconography of various portrayals of Kali. Any leads would be appreciated. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:13:55 -0000 "Jay" <machilongo writes: > I am trying to find information on these aspects of Kali, Shyama and > Bhadrakali, from what little I have been able to find these are > considered benevolent and more auspicious aspects. Does anybody > have > any more info or leads? > > Thanks > > Jay > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > Links > > > > > > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 I just returned from a trip to India where I visiredd the Badrakali temple in Ahamedabad. The Goddess there was definitely of a more lkindly aspect. Further research led me to discover that BadraKali is actually one of Tara's thousand names. Refer to DAvid KInsley's book Tantric Visions of the Divine Feminine in this regard. Jay <machilongo wrote:I am trying to find information on these aspects of Kali, Shyama and Bhadrakali, from what little I have been able to find these are considered benevolent and more auspicious aspects. Does anybody have any more info or leads? Thanks Jay / Post your free ad now! Canada Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 After spending the last four years trying to solve the mystery of Bhadrakaalii, I have come to the conclusion that there is great regional variation and that dhyaana shloka descriptions in tantric texts such as the tantrasaara do not necessarily correspond to Her iconographic representations in temples and popular devotional art. In some texts She is described as being a form of Kali particularly suited to householder worship. In other places, such as the Bhadrakaali Mahaatmya of Kerala, She is described as being exceedingly fierce. Maybe the question is, "Which Bhadrakaali"? Jai Kaalii Maa! --Aravind --- Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha wrote: > 93 Greetings! > > AFAIK "Shyama" is just another name of Dakshinakali > (and not any > special form). For example bengali text > "Shyama-rahasya" deals with > worship of Dakshinakalika. > > Bhadrakali is not "benevolent". Take a look at > descriptions of this > aspect of Devi in Shastras. Bhadrakali is connected > to ferociuos > (raudra) forms of Divinity like Pratyangira, > Narasimha and > Chhinnamasta... > > Sometimes i read that She is benevolent. Perhaps > this view is based on > translation of the word "bhadra". But i know not > even one reason for > such interpretation in Agamas. In one shrilankian > temple there is > murti of Kalika in similar to Tripurasundari form - > She is called > "Bhadrakali" locally. I have photo of that form, > beautiful. But i > guess that is NOT in fact Bhadrakali :-). > > A. > > > , "Jay" > <machilongo> wrote: > > I am trying to find information on these aspects > of Kali, Shyama and > > Bhadrakali, from what little I have been able to > find these are > > considered benevolent and more auspicious aspects. > Does anybody > have > > any more info or leads? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jay > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ph/print_splash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2004 Report Share Posted April 20, 2004 Arjunaji, I see Mahakali is usually associated with ten heads.I see some refers to Dakshina Kali as right marga and Vama Kali as left path worship. Dakshina seems to refer to south too.In Gospel Dakhneshwari Kali is actually called Ma Bhavatarani.And she had another name earlier. Arjunaji is there any text that you know that actually gives the name of each Kali Maa images..............Or at leats some of them Jai Maa!!! Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha wrote: 93 Greetings! AFAIK "Shyama" is just another name of Dakshinakali (and not any special form). For example bengali text "Shyama-rahasya" deals with worship of Dakshinakalika. Bhadrakali is not "benevolent". Take a look at descriptions of this aspect of Devi in Shastras. Bhadrakali is connected to ferociuos (raudra) forms of Divinity like Pratyangira, Narasimha and Chhinnamasta... Sometimes i read that She is benevolent. Perhaps this view is based on translation of the word "bhadra". But i know not even one reason for such interpretation in Agamas. In one shrilankian temple there is murti of Kalika in similar to Tripurasundari form - She is called "Bhadrakali" locally. I have photo of that form, beautiful. But i guess that is NOT in fact Bhadrakali :-). A. , "Jay" <machilongo> wrote: > I am trying to find information on these aspects of Kali, Shyama and > Bhadrakali, from what little I have been able to find these are > considered benevolent and more auspicious aspects. Does anybody have > any more info or leads? > > Thanks > > Jay / Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 93 Funny enough, i 've not met the name of "Rakshakali" anywhere in authentic sanskrit texts (as far as i remember). I met it in somedoubtful english and russian sourses, that's all. Perhaps there is no such a form - it may be a mere epithet. At least we have 3 classifications of Kali's forms - into 9 or 8, into 13 and into 16 (Kali-nitya). In either of these there is no Rakshakali present. A. , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > Don't forget Raksha Kali (Kali the Protector). > > As a rule, Kali's who hold the sword in their left hand are more > auspicious than those with the sword in their right hand. > > I'm searching for a book in English that discusses the iconography of > various portrayals of Kali. Any leads would be appreciated. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > On Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:13:55 -0000 "Jay" <machilongo> writes: > > I am trying to find information on these aspects of Kali, Shyama and > > Bhadrakali, from what little I have been able to find these are > > considered benevolent and more auspicious aspects. Does anybody > > have > > any more info or leads? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jay > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > > > > > > Links > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 93 Perhaps image of BKali was altered by folk ppl, who were afraid of Her true form. Same happened with Karttikeya (a war deity in beginning), Rudra etc. The fact about "Bhadrakali" as one of Tara's names shows nothing yet. U may see in Shodashi-sahasranama or shatanama names of Kali, Dhumavati and Chhinnamasta . It simply means that Devi is ONE. However Bhadrakali appears to be one of 8 forms of Tara. And in some accounts in the place of BK Chamunda comes. This again supports the view that Bhadrakali is raudra-devata. BK is given such epithets as "bhakShajvAlA-jihvA", "karAla-daMShTrA" etc . Does it say something? A. , kaila kukla <mahadevi96785 > wrote: > I just returned from a trip to India where I visiredd the Badrakali temple in Ahamedabad. The Goddess there was definitely of a more lkindly aspect. Further research led me to discover that BadraKali is actually one of Tara's thousand names. Refer to DAvid KInsley's book Tantric Visions of the Divine Feminine in this regard. > > Jay <machilongo> wrote:I am trying to find information on these aspects of Kali, Shyama and > Bhadrakali, from what little I have been able to find these are > considered benevolent and more auspicious aspects. Does anybody have > any more info or leads? > > Thanks > > Jay > > > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > > Post your free ad now! Canada Personals > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 93 When it is said of Maha- or Dakshinakali as having 10 heads Great Kali is meant - that One who is embracing all aspects, all 10 Mahavidyas. There is distinct aspect however called "Mahakali". It is one out of three (as in DM) or one out of 8 (as in Todala-tantra). Dakshinakali is not a deity of dakshinachara, however She can be worshipped in righthand manner in case of pashu-upasaka. For comparance, Tara should not be worshipped in dakshinachara at all. The story of name Dakshinakali is told in Nirvana-tantra. She is Vama in fact but She "overcame" right side of Divinity as well (Shiva), that is why She became known as "Dakshinakali" and is depicted as standing on corpse of Shiva. Bhavatarini is just an epithet meaning "Who saves from [worldly] existance". Descriptions are in Mahakali-samhita (most detailed perhaps), some kashmiri texts, some shakta-tantras and some compediums like Pranatoshini or Tantrasara. A. , kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > Arjunaji, > > I see Mahakali is usually associated with ten heads.I see some refers to Dakshina Kali as right marga and Vama Kali as left path worship. Dakshina seems to refer to south too.In Gospel Dakhneshwari Kali is actually called Ma Bhavatarani.And she had another name earlier. Arjunaji is there any text that you know that actually gives the name of each Kali Maa images..............Or at leats some of them > > Jai Maa!!! > > Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > 93 Greetings! > > AFAIK "Shyama" is just another name of Dakshinakali (and not any > special form). For example bengali text "Shyama-rahasya" deals with > worship of Dakshinakalika. > > Bhadrakali is not "benevolent". Take a look at descriptions of this > aspect of Devi in Shastras. Bhadrakali is connected to ferociuos > (raudra) forms of Divinity like Pratyangira, Narasimha and > Chhinnamasta... > > Sometimes i read that She is benevolent. Perhaps this view is based on > translation of the word "bhadra". But i know not even one reason for > such interpretation in Agamas. In one shrilankian temple there is > murti of Kalika in similar to Tripurasundari form - She is called > "Bhadrakali" locally. I have photo of that form, beautiful. But i > guess that is NOT in fact Bhadrakali :-). > > A. > > > , "Jay" <machilongo> wrote: > > I am trying to find information on these aspects of Kali, Shyama and > > Bhadrakali, from what little I have been able to find these are > > considered benevolent and more auspicious aspects. Does anybody > have > > any more info or leads? > > > > Thanks > > > > Jay > > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Terms of Service. > > > > > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2004 Report Share Posted April 21, 2004 93 I'm sorry for misprinting: of course, Mahakala-samhita is meant. , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > 93 > > When it is said of Maha- or Dakshinakali as having 10 heads Great Kali > is meant - that One who is embracing all aspects, all 10 Mahavidyas. > There is distinct aspect however called "Mahakali". It is one out of > three (as in DM) or one out of 8 (as in Todala-tantra). > Dakshinakali is not a deity of dakshinachara, however She can be > worshipped in righthand manner in case of pashu-upasaka. For > comparance, Tara should not be worshipped in dakshinachara at all. The > story of name Dakshinakali is told in Nirvana-tantra. She is Vama in > fact but She "overcame" right side of Divinity as well (Shiva), that > is why She became known as "Dakshinakali" and is depicted as standing > on corpse of Shiva. > Bhavatarini is just an epithet meaning "Who saves from [worldly] > existance". > Descriptions are in Mahakali-samhita (most detailed perhaps), some > kashmiri texts, some shakta-tantras and some compediums like > Pranatoshini or Tantrasara. > > A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Namaste Arjunaji, You mentioned Chamunda . Is it same with Chamunda Kali ? Whre could we find Her dhyana? Could you share them here as well ? Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 93 Chamunda is 1) one of 7/8 Matrikas 2) Form of Durga, perhaps identical to Mahishamardini and Chandi 3) One of 8/9 Kalis (aka Chandikakali) 4) One of 8 forms of Tara (corresponding to Bhadrakali as i remember). I guess there is very little sense in comparing these now. At least i'm not going to :-). I belive there must be some connections, but it is a long and deep matter. What is the need for U it dozens of dhyanas? There is no practical sense if U are not working as a pandita/archaka. AFAIK U don't. First of all, i don't have access to my library now. Secondly, even if i have, it is boring and useless to type in huge dhayas of different devatas. If it is really interesting for U, there is much info available. In particular for dhyanas U may see Kalika-purana, very useful. Besides i may recommend Mahakala-samhita, Tantra-sara (by Krishnananda) and Mantra-mahodadhi (i believe it should have dhyanas also). , kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > Namaste Arjunaji, > > You mentioned Chamunda . Is it same with Chamunda Kali ? Whre could we find Her dhyana? Could you share them here as well ? > > Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Namste Arjunaji, Thank you ji , you have helped this far .I need your help to go further .............................. Chamunda is 1) one of 7/8 Matrikas 2) Form of Durga, perhaps identical to Mahishamardini and Chandi 3) One of 8/9 Kalis (aka Chandikakali) 4) One of 8 forms of Tara (corresponding to Bhadrakali as i remember). I guess there is very little sense in comparing these now. At least i'm not going to :-). I belive there must be some connections, but it is a long and deep matter. Ok based on this could I say Chandi , Chamunda and Kali could be represented by same Chamunda Kali iconagraphy according to scripture.......................Could you share the difference if any ( long and deep matter ,yes I would like to know more ) What is the need for U it dozens of dhyanas? There is no practical sense if U are not working as a pandita/archaka. AFAIK U don't. Yes ji I do not need dozens of dhayana only Chamunda Kali Dhayana. Would you only share them with pandit or archaka and but not us here ........... First of all, i don't have access to my library now. Secondly, even if i have, it is boring and useless to type in huge dhayas of different devatas. I am requesting your help here.Not for all but only Chamunda Kali Dhyana In particular for dhyanas U may see Kalika-purana, very useful. Besides i may recommend Mahakala-samhita, Tantra-sara (by Krishnananda) and Mantra-mahodadhi (i believe it should have dhyanas also). Which chapter in Kalika Purana are you refering too .You answers are very vague .. I need exact details . Once again I do not have the text you mention and when I contact the providers (you mentioned) they want to know the publishers house . When I request them from you .I have not got an answer. You could ; 1) Share the mantras here 2) Scan the pages and send it here 3) Identify the publisher house 4) Send me the details of the front cover of each book 5) Request me to send money so you could buy and sent it to me 6) Any other method you deem fit What you say ? Jai Maa!!!! Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha wrote: 93 Chamunda is 1) one of 7/8 Matrikas 2) Form of Durga, perhaps identical to Mahishamardini and Chandi 3) One of 8/9 Kalis (aka Chandikakali) 4) One of 8 forms of Tara (corresponding to Bhadrakali as i remember). I guess there is very little sense in comparing these now. At least i'm not going to :-). I belive there must be some connections, but it is a long and deep matter. What is the need for U it dozens of dhyanas? There is no practical sense if U are not working as a pandita/archaka. AFAIK U don't. First of all, i don't have access to my library now. Secondly, even if i have, it is boring and useless to type in huge dhayas of different devatas. If it is really interesting for U, there is much info available. In particular for dhyanas U may see Kalika-purana, very useful. Besides i may recommend Mahakala-samhita, Tantra-sara (by Krishnananda) and Mantra-mahodadhi (i believe it should have dhyanas also). , kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > Namaste Arjunaji, > > You mentioned Chamunda . Is it same with Chamunda Kali ? Whre could we find Her dhyana? Could you share them here as well ? > > Jai Maa!!! / Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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