Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Namste Arjunaji, Could you share the desricption in Mahakala Samhita ( if you have one ) otherwise wher could we obtain them (publication house opr bookshop address) Ok , anyone know where navarna viddhi mantra ( om aim hrim klim chamundayai viche ) orignated from I mean which scripture and who is the devata of worship ? jai Maa!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 , kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > Namste Arjunaji, > > Could you share the desricption in Mahakala Samhita ( if you have >one ) otherwise wher could we obtain them (publication house opr >bookshop address) MahakalaSamhita, 1976 Ganganath Jha Kendriya Sanskrit Vidyapith, Motilal Nehru Park, Allahabad-2 > Ok , anyone know where navarna viddhi mantra ( om aim hrim klim chamundayai viche ) orignated from I mean which scripture and who is the devata of worship ? Dont know where it originated from. It is discussed in tantras and tantric works. Devata is Chandi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Deity of worship is Chamunda, the wrathful form of Kali who emerged from Durga's forehead in the Devi Mahatmyam. Thogh I've seen the Navarna mantra prescribed for worshipping the Durga Beesi yantra, as well. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:58:49 -0700 (PDT) kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002 writes: > > Ok , anyone know where navarna viddhi mantra ( om aim hrim klim > chamundayai viche ) orignated from I mean which scripture and who is > the devata of worship ? > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 I have seen navarna vidhi in "Devi mahaathmyam". kalipadma wrote: Deity of worship is Chamunda, the wrathful form of Kali who emerged from Durga's forehead in the Devi Mahatmyam. Thogh I've seen the Navarna mantra prescribed for worshipping the Durga Beesi yantra, as well. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:58:49 -0700 (PDT) kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002 writes: > > Ok , anyone know where navarna viddhi mantra ( om aim hrim klim > chamundayai viche ) orignated from I mean which scripture and who is > the devata of worship ? > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! / Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Namaste kochuji, Please share which part of Devi Mahtmayam is that ? Jai Maa!!! sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: I have seen navarna vidhi in "Devi mahaathmyam". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Namaste Kalipadmaji, Thank youji but how do I find Chamunda Kali Dhyana mantra and the actual image accroding to scripture ................. I am counting on all of your asiistance here ............................... Jai Maa!!! kalipadma wrote: Deity of worship is Chamunda, the wrathful form of Kali who emerged from Durga's forehead in the Devi Mahatmyam. Thogh I've seen the Navarna mantra prescribed for worshipping the Durga Beesi yantra, as well. -- Len/ Kalipadma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Namaste Satishji, Thank you ji for the address. If I send the money could you buy them for me???I could be writing a letter to them but you could help to speed up the process.................. Dont know where it originated from. It is discussed in tantras and tantric works. Devata is Chandi. Which tantric work are you referring to ? I beg for details................. Allow me to share something on Chandi ; Ya Chandi Madhu kaitabhadidaityadalani Ya mahisonmulini Ya dhumreksanacandamundamalini ya raktabijasani Saktih sumbhanisumbhadaityadalani ya siddhidhatri para sa devinavakotimurthisahita mam patu visvesvari My understanding of sanskrit seems to stated from this mantra Chandi is represented by sa devinavakotimurtisahita - ninety milion divine images( Learned members of this group correct this fool if he is wrong ) Whereas in Devi Mahatmaya I see Chamunda is the name Ambika gives Kali when She have slayed Chanda and Munda at Chapter Seven Verse 27. The verse I am refering to ; Yasmaccandam ca mundam ca grhitva tvamupagata camundeti tato loke khyata devi bhavisyasi So in this image of Chamunda Kali I see Her carrying to two heads (Chanda and Munda off course) >From verse 6 I gather bhrukuti kutilat tasya lalata phalakad drutam kali karala vadana viniskrantasipasini ............She is holding sword and net in Her hands ( I am right learned members) >From verse 8 I gather atisvistaravadana jihvalalanabhisana nimagna rakta nayana nadapurita dinmukha ...........her eyes a red in colour................................ So the quest is to find whether Chandi, Chamunda Kali of Devi Mahatmaya and Chamunda of Matrka Devi is the same or different image .............................. The answer is Chamunda Kali Dhyana ??? Any learned members feedback............... Jai Maa!!! Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 93 Sorry, i haven't read this post before. Plz if a question is to me, mark it in message's title. Otherwise i may simply not open it. What description from MKS U mean? I cannot translate or quote anything now (apart from what i know byheart) - i do not have my books near me now. I've given U already all details about bookshops. However MKS was published in Allahabad, so perhaps there it may be easier to get it. The text is published in several volumes, it is very huge. I've got only one and my acharya has three more. About navarna - i have no idea LOL. I wasn't interested in discovering story of this mantra. Perhaps it may be pauranika. At least i've not seen any tantra speaking of it (not sure about Sharada-tilaka, may be there). However it appears in most all later paddhatis on shaktopasana, especially on Durga worship. If it is important for U i can give U a clue. Take Mantra-maharnava - it has many stuff on navarna. There U may see where those parts are taken from. BTW Kunjika-stotra (that has navarna in it) it ascribed as i remember to Rudra-yamala. But there is none in present version of RY. Devata of navarna is obviously Durga (aka Chamunda). In viniyoga it is told that devatas are Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Mahasarasvati - it corresponds to three bijas, three aspects of Durga. A. , kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > Namste Arjunaji, > > Could you share the desricption in Mahakala Samhita ( if you have one ) otherwise wher could we obtain them (publication house opr bookshop address) > > Ok , anyone know where navarna viddhi mantra ( om aim hrim klim chamundayai viche ) orignated from I mean which scripture and who is the devata of worship ? > > > jai Maa!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 93 As it is clear from vidhana of navarna, devata is not "wrathful form" but Durga in Her three aspects of Mahakali (don't mix with Kalika), Mahalakshmi and Mahasarasvati. Forgot to tell an important thing, navarna represents 9 Durgas and 10 Mahavidyas. A. , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > Deity of worship is Chamunda, the wrathful form of Kali who emerged from > Durga's forehead in the Devi Mahatmyam. Thogh I've seen the Navarna > mantra prescribed for worshipping the Durga Beesi yantra, as well. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 20:58:49 -0700 (PDT) kanna krishnan > <kanna_krishnan2002> writes: > > > > Ok , anyone know where navarna viddhi mantra ( om aim hrim klim > > chamundayai viche ) orignated from I mean which scripture and who is > > the devata of worship ? > > > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Tantrasara has many Dhyanas listed, probably there's something for Chamunda Devi. I have seen paintings and statues of Chamunda which portray her as half naked, an elephant skin wrapped around her waist, very emaciated, with a sunken belly and hanging breasts, looking like an old crone, but strong and demonic. She is considered the last and 7th of the Saptamatrikas. When the Saptamatrikas found baby Lord Skanda washed up in the arrowgrass (<sharavana>) on the banks of the Ganges, they began to lactate out of adoration for the baby, and Skanda grew six heads so he could suckle milk from all of them at once. Only six heads, because Chanunda was too old to lactate anymore. In the Devi Mahatmyam she is described as dark, skeletal and fear-inducing, with fanged teeth, and followed by jackals who eat the blood and body parts she leaves after her battle. I sell incenses at New Age gatherings. There is an Indian brand of cone incense (musk with pine scent) called "Chamundeshwari Dhoop." Very good for healing, and doing psychic cleansing. Ironically, the goddess image on the box shows a beautiful young woman, looking rather like Tripurasundari. This is not the traditional image for Chamunda! -- Len/ Kalipadma On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 02:47:24 -0700 (PDT) kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002 writes: > Namaste Kalipadmaji, > > Thank youji but how do I find Chamunda Kali Dhyana mantra and the > actual image accroding to scripture ................. > > I am counting on all of your asiistance here > ............................... > > Jai Maa!!! > > kalipadma wrote: > > Deity of worship is Chamunda, the wrathful form of Kali who emerged > from > Durga's forehead in the Devi Mahatmyam. Thogh I've seen the Navarna > mantra prescribed for worshipping the Durga Beesi yantra, as well. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2004 Report Share Posted April 22, 2004 Namaste Kalipadmaji, Tantrasara has many Dhyanas listed, probably there's something for Chamunda Devi. If you have them since I do not could you could check the mantra for me . Love to understand the image....................... Your defination of sapta Matrka Chamunda seems to slightly differ from Devi Mahatmaya version. I know theHER dhyana would put rest to our confusion but do not seem to find one ............................. In the Devi Mahatmyam she is described as dark, skeletal and fear-inducing, with fanged teeth, and followed by jackals who eat the blood and body parts she leaves after her battle. May I know which verse in DM talks about ; a) dark - I see this only when Parvatrhi Maa turns dark when she goes to take bath during the devas prayer in DM b) Skeletal - which verse my friend c) fanged teeth - verse please ? d) jackals - Dakhniswari Ma seems to have jackal . Which verse states this in DM ? ....................and doing psychic cleansing. Ironically, the goddess image on the box shows a beautiful young woman, looking rather likeTripurasundari. This is not the traditional image for Chamunda! I wonder what you mean by traditional do you mean cultural or scriptural? As Arjunaji said most depiction are more cultural then scriptural. I have seen the one you are refering too at least you tried to help instead of wasting time with scholarly argument with other learned members . Thank you for your help ........................ I humbly prostrate to your feet.......................... By the way the latest discovery I made is navarna viddhi is in Markendaya Purana .. Only navarna viddhi but not Chamunda Dhyana. Do you have Markendya Purana ? Jai Maa!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Arjunaji and Kalipadmaji, Navarna Viddhi has these 3 dhyana mantra taken from DM talking about Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Maha Saraswathy While navarna mantra says om aim hrim klim chamundayai viche refering to Chamunda taken from Markendaya Purana Chamunda is the name given to Kali Ma for killing Canda and Munda in DM Then navarna mantra is not reffering matrka Chamunda but 3 forms of devatas ? LOLipop is this what are you saying Arjunaji......................................... Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Much of my library is packed up in boxes. I have no idea where anything is! Everything I know about Devi Mahatmyam I learned from the Chandi Path book by Swami Satyananda and Shree Maa of Napa, California. The book gives Sanskrit text, transliteration, and English translation. Swami is, I think, American (like me). Shree Maa is a Bengali holy woman from a Brahmin family, who founded The Devi Mandir. Last time they visited Noo Yawk I took <darshan> of them, and Shree Maa lead us in chanting the Mritunjaya mantra for almost an hour! They have a website: <www.shreemaa.org> My misplaced English translation of the Tantrasara (I'm not sure which one of the two) is titled "Hindu Iconography" by Dr. Pratyapaditya Pal (he is curator of the Asian Art wing of the Los Angeles Art Museum). Pal co-authored another book, "In Her Image," which includes some pretty scary photos of paintings and bronze <murthies> of Chamunda. My Sanskrit teacher (I am far from fluent in Sanskrit! -- remember, I'm an ignorant Westerner) informs me that the name "Chamunda" is sometimes applied only to the crone-like Devi who slew the Asuras Chanda and Munda, and sometimes applied to Mahadurga herself, who contains <sarvashakti> -- all the Goddess energies within Herself. I stand corrected. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Thu, 22 Apr 2004 19:20:02 -0700 (PDT) kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002 writes: > Namaste Kalipadmaji, > > Tantrasara has many Dhyanas listed, probably there's something for > Chamunda Devi. > > If you have them since I do not could you could check the mantra > for me . Love to understand the image....................... > > Your defination of sapta Matrka Chamunda seems to slightly differ > from Devi Mahatmaya version. I know theHER dhyana would put rest > to our confusion but do not seem to find one > ............................. > > In the Devi Mahatmyam she is described as dark, skeletal and > fear-inducing, with fanged teeth, and followed by jackals who eat > the > blood and body parts she leaves after her battle. > > May I know which verse in DM talks about ; > > a) dark - I see this only when Parvatrhi Maa turns dark when she > goes to take bath during the devas prayer in DM > b) Skeletal - which verse my friend > c) fanged teeth - verse please ? > d) jackals - Dakhniswari Ma seems to have jackal . Which verse > states this in DM ? > > > ...................and doing psychic cleansing. Ironically, the > goddess image on the box shows a beautiful young woman, looking > rather likeTripurasundari. This is not the traditional image for > Chamunda! > > I wonder what you mean by traditional do you mean cultural or > scriptural? > > As Arjunaji said most depiction are more cultural then scriptural. I > have seen the one you are refering too at least you tried to help > instead of wasting time with scholarly argument with other learned > members . Thank you for your help ....................... > > I humbly prostrate to your feet.......................... > > By the way the latest discovery I made is navarna viddhi is in > Markendaya Purana . Only navarna viddhi but not Chamunda Dhyana. Do > you have Markendya Purana ? > > Jai Maa!! > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 93 , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > Everything I know about Devi Mahatmyam I learned from the Chandi Path > book by Swami Satyananda and Shree Maa of Napa, California. The book > gives Sanskrit text, transliteration, and English translation. BTW "traslations" of that Svami are sometimes very bad... I have not checked DM in his version, so won't comment, but his book "Kali-puja" is really something LOL. He killes Kalika-sahasranama in such a way! So be careful about this. If U wanna know true meaning, check up Urself with sanskrit original. > My misplaced English translation of the Tantrasara (I'm not sure which one of the two) is titled "Hindu Iconography" by Dr. Pratyapaditya Pal (he is curator of the Asian Art wing of the Los Angeles Art Museum). Of course it is bengali Tantra-sara of Krishnananda. > My Sanskrit teacher informs me that the name "Chamunda" is sometimes > applied only to the crone-like Devi who slew the Asuras Chanda and Munda, and sometimes applied to Mahadurga herself, who contains <sarvashakti> all the Goddess energies within Herself. I'm telling this to KK many times. Besides these two, Chamunda is also one of Matrikas, one of Ashta-Kali and one of Ashta-Tara. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 16:57:27 -0000 "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha writes: > 93 > > , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > > > Everything I know about Devi Mahatmyam I learned from the Chandi > Path > > book by Swami Satyananda and Shree Maa of Napa, California. The > book > > gives Sanskrit text, transliteration, and English translation. > > BTW "traslations" of that Svami are sometimes very bad... I have not > > checked DM in his version, so won't comment, but his book > "Kali-puja" > is really something LOL. He killes Kalika-sahasranama in such a way! > So be careful about this. If U wanna know true meaning, check up > Urself with sanskrit original. I know, I don't always agree with Satyananda's translations. He translates <svaha> as "I am one with God," and I know that effectively it means "I am making an offering." Isn't Svaha the name of Agni-Deva's wife? Agni is the offering-bearer, so Svaha is the offering. Similarly in Kali Puja, he gives <rakta> as "passion," when I know it's closer to "blood." But despite ideosyncratic translations (and he's not the only one!) I like the presentation. -- Len/ Kalipadma ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 , kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > Arjunaji and Kalipadmaji, > > Navarna Viddhi has these 3 dhyana mantra taken from DM talking about Mahakali, Mahalakshmi and Maha Saraswathy > > While navarna mantra says om aim hrim klim chamundayai viche refering to Chamunda taken from Markendaya Purana > > Chamunda is the name given to Kali Ma for killing Canda and Munda in DM > > Then navarna mantra is not reffering matrka Chamunda but 3 forms of devatas ? Since I did not participate in this thread from begining, I am not sure what is the point of discussion in this thread. Is the question, "who is the devata for Navarna mantra"? Devata is Chandi. This mantra is popularly known as Chandi Navakshari mantra. Or call Her Chamundeshavari. The devata for this mantra Chandi is the highest Shakti. Shakti of Para-Shiva. Bhaskara-raya discusses the meaning of Chandi in the first shloka and says it refers to Shakti of Brahman in his bhasya on Saptashati named Guptavati. So there is no doubt that devata for this mantra is Chandi or Chandika-Parameshvari. The reason why MahaKali, MahaLakshmi, and MahaSaraswati are described as devatas for this mantra is Chandi being the collective form of the above three mentioned Devis. By the way, there is no om(pranava) in this mantra. Regarding your other post: I am very far away from Allahabad and hence cannot help you reagrding that. Sorry about that. Regarding tantric works which refer to this vidhi: In a certain book on Durga, the compiler says he extracted the portion which described prayogas with Navarna mantra from some work named prayoga tantra. I am sure there are many other tantric works where it is diccussed that I am unaware of like Damara etc.. Rgds > > Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > By the way, there is no om (pranava) in this mantra. There IS pranava in navarna-mantra: OM aiM hrIM klIM chAmuNDAyai vichche. It is astonishing why U don't know this. > Regarding tantric works which refer to this vidhi: In a certain book > on Durga, the compiler says he extracted the portion which described > prayogas with Navarna mantra from some work named prayoga tantra. Maybe author says "prayoga tantra" in technical meaning, "[some] tantra about prayogas (occult one)". However maybe there is some work under this title as well. > I am sure there are many other tantric works where it is diccussed > that I am unaware of like Damara etc.. AFAIR there is no navarna-vidhanas in Damara-tantra. But i may be wrong. All damaras (also uddishas) are much occult, tamasic tantras. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > , "Satish Arigela" > <satisharigela> wrote: > > > By the way, there is no om (pranava) in this mantra. > > There IS pranava in navarna-mantra: OM aiM hrIM klIM chAmuNDAyai > vichche. > It is astonishing why U don't know this. Wouldnt adding pranava make the mantra 10 lettered? This mantra is only nine lettered, which is why it is called Chandi Navakshari. Pranava is optional here. One can add pranava, but it is not required and hence not part of mantra. > > Regarding tantric works which refer to this vidhi: In a certain book > > on Durga, the compiler says he extracted the portion which described > > prayogas with Navarna mantra from some work named prayoga tantra. > > Maybe author says "prayoga tantra" in technical meaning, "[some] > tantra about prayogas (occult one)". However maybe there is some work > under this title as well. Maybe. > > I am sure there are many other tantric works where it is diccussed > > that I am unaware of like Damara etc.. > > AFAIR there is no navarna-vidhanas in Damara-tantra. But i may be > wrong. All damaras (also uddishas) are much occult, tamasic tantras. There are small references here and there which compilers quote from. However there maynot be any complete description of navarna vidhi in these texts. > > A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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