Guest guest Posted April 23, 2004 Report Share Posted April 23, 2004 Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu! My, my, my, sometimes I forget why I am a member of this group... what with my inbox beyond readable in it's fullness. Am finding it to be a challenge to will myself to open postings the majority of which seem to be negative rantings, snide attacks on other members, and insufferable scriptural semantics. Are we here to win the "Who can beat down the most bhaktas with our egotistical rhetoric" prize? Does every topic have to be an argument? Some people just have to be right about everything, even when they're wrong. And instead of agreeing to disagree and moving on, they become MORE cutting and argumentative. I feel really torn, because part of me wants to leave this group and it's daily verbal jousting. Scriptural topics, which should invoke compassion and humble self-inquiry, give me the impression of a pack of dogs snarling over a dry bone. It's not that I think we should be in agreement about all things, but some of these postings are thinly veiled attacks on the character and intelligence of some really nice people. It's really to the discredit of the authors, who seem to be both knowlegeable and articulate, if perhaps lacking in modesty and tact. On the flip side, I am enjoying the opportunity to chant the above mantra so often! pranams, Brianna Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ph/print_splash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2004 Report Share Posted April 24, 2004 Dear Brianna: Thank you for sharing your honest concerns on the public board. A lot of members listen in silence; a few send the moderators notes asking us to stop this argument or that one; a couple silently leave the group when things get too hot, as they occasionally do. I personally agree with you: I have not liked the tone of a lot of the messages lately. I don't mind the theological and scriptural hairsplitting so much -- there is a definitely place for and value in such discussion; and many people find it truly fascinating. But what I don't like is the lack of respect, the easy insults, the thinly veiled (or blatently open) personal attacks that get tucked into certain posts. There's just no need for it. And it's really never constructive, because spirituality is the most personal of endeavors. No person can truly judge another's spiritual progress or lack thereof -- well, an authentic guru can; but certainly, there's not a heck of a lot you can accurately judge in the context of an online discussion board. And anyone who says they can is either playing you for a fool, or trying to sell something. In Shakta practice, perhaps more than any other, what really matters ultimately happens between devotee and Devi, one-on-one. You can read all the scriptures and books you want to, buy the paraphernalia you can afford, argue in the chat groups until the carpal tunnel syndrome kicks in. But that's all window dressing. Where the rubber meets the road is in the pooja room (or corner, or wherever you finally sit down to pay homage to Devi). The outside world fades away; the busy chatter stops; the books are set aside; the computer is turned off. And it's just you and Her. That is the time that really matters. That's when the serious work happens. That's also where you fuel yourself with the Energy you need to try and do Her work when you make your inevitable return to this temporal world. So what is this Group's (or any Group's) role? Depends on your point of view -- maybe a lot; maybe not much. Well, SS certainly tries to be many things to many people. Perhaps that is why it becomes so frustrating for various souls, at various times. There are serious Srividya upasaks here -- at very elementary levels and at very high levels. There are bhaktas of countless Devi forms; again at all different levels of accomplishment. There are passionate devotees, academic-minded researchers, armchair anthropologists, yoga instructors, Devi-curious pagans, austere Shaivas, cautiously enthusiastic Vaishnavas, and on and on and on ... And so it's inevitably that there'll be a little friction now and then. But take it for what its worth -- it's just a , after all; no more, no less. But with any luck at all, you'll find that the like-minded friends you encounter here will more than offset minor irritations caused by the folks who drive you batty. So please stick around, hokay? I, for one, would miss you if you were gone. ;-) DB , Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel> wrote: > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu! > > My, my, my, sometimes I forget why I am a member of > this group... what with my inbox beyond readable in > it's fullness. Am finding it to be a challenge to will > myself to open postings the majority of which seem to > be negative rantings, snide attacks on other members, > and insufferable scriptural semantics. > > Are we here to win the "Who can beat down the most > bhaktas with our egotistical rhetoric" prize? Does > every topic have to be an argument? Some people just > have to be right about everything, even when they're > wrong. And instead of agreeing to disagree and moving > on, they become MORE cutting and argumentative. > > I feel really torn, because part of me wants to leave > this group and it's daily verbal jousting. Scriptural > topics, which should invoke compassion and humble > self-inquiry, give me the impression of a pack of dogs > snarling over a dry bone. It's not that I think we > should be in agreement about all things, but some of > these postings are thinly veiled attacks on the > character and intelligence of some really nice people. > It's really to the discredit of the authors, who seem > to be both knowlegeable and articulate, if perhaps > lacking in modesty and tact. > > On the flip side, I am enjoying the opportunity to > chant the above mantra so often! > > pranams, > > Brianna > > > > > > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > ph/print_splash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 yes I agree with you both. Thats but one side of the coin. what I would like to do is to make the group a resource base for shakti sadhana so that one can get the basic texts completly. Not the WMDs (and there are many) but the basi tools. The WMDs I leave for the person's Guru to teach. Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:Dear Brianna: Thank you for sharing your honest concerns on the public board. A lot of members listen in silence; a few send the moderators notes asking us to stop this argument or that one; a couple silently leave the group when things get too hot, as they occasionally do. I personally agree with you: I have not liked the tone of a lot of the messages lately. I don't mind the theological and scriptural hairsplitting so much -- there is a definitely place for and value in such discussion; and many people find it truly fascinating. But what I don't like is the lack of respect, the easy insults, the thinly veiled (or blatently open) personal attacks that get tucked into certain posts. There's just no need for it. And it's really never constructive, because spirituality is the most personal of endeavors. No person can truly judge another's spiritual progress or lack thereof -- well, an authentic guru can; but certainly, there's not a heck of a lot you can accurately judge in the context of an online discussion board. And anyone who says they can is either playing you for a fool, or trying to sell something. In Shakta practice, perhaps more than any other, what really matters ultimately happens between devotee and Devi, one-on-one. You can read all the scriptures and books you want to, buy the paraphernalia you can afford, argue in the chat groups until the carpal tunnel syndrome kicks in. But that's all window dressing. Where the rubber meets the road is in the pooja room (or corner, or wherever you finally sit down to pay homage to Devi). The outside world fades away; the busy chatter stops; the books are set aside; the computer is turned off. And it's just you and Her. That is the time that really matters. That's when the serious work happens. That's also where you fuel yourself with the Energy you need to try and do Her work when you make your inevitable return to this temporal world. So what is this Group's (or any Group's) role? Depends on your point of view -- maybe a lot; maybe not much. Well, SS certainly tries to be many things to many people. Perhaps that is why it becomes so frustrating for various souls, at various times. There are serious Srividya upasaks here -- at very elementary levels and at very high levels. There are bhaktas of countless Devi forms; again at all different levels of accomplishment. There are passionate devotees, academic-minded researchers, armchair anthropologists, yoga instructors, Devi-curious pagans, austere Shaivas, cautiously enthusiastic Vaishnavas, and on and on and on ... And so it's inevitably that there'll be a little friction now and then. But take it for what its worth -- it's just a , after all; no more, no less. But with any luck at all, you'll find that the like-minded friends you encounter here will more than offset minor irritations caused by the folks who drive you batty. So please stick around, hokay? I, for one, would miss you if you were gone. ;-) DB , Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel> wrote: > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu! > > My, my, my, sometimes I forget why I am a member of > this group... what with my inbox beyond readable in > it's fullness. Am finding it to be a challenge to will > myself to open postings the majority of which seem to > be negative rantings, snide attacks on other members, > and insufferable scriptural semantics. > > Are we here to win the "Who can beat down the most > bhaktas with our egotistical rhetoric" prize? Does > every topic have to be an argument? Some people just > have to be right about everything, even when they're > wrong. And instead of agreeing to disagree and moving > on, they become MORE cutting and argumentative. > > I feel really torn, because part of me wants to leave > this group and it's daily verbal jousting. Scriptural > topics, which should invoke compassion and humble > self-inquiry, give me the impression of a pack of dogs > snarling over a dry bone. It's not that I think we > should be in agreement about all things, but some of > these postings are thinly veiled attacks on the > character and intelligence of some really nice people. > It's really to the discredit of the authors, who seem > to be both knowlegeable and articulate, if perhaps > lacking in modesty and tact. > > On the flip side, I am enjoying the opportunity to > chant the above mantra so often! > > pranams, > > Brianna > > > > > > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ > ph/print_splash / Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Forgive my ignorance, what are WMDs? pranams, Brianna --- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > yes I agree with you both. Thats but one side of the > coin. what I would like to do is to make the group a > resource base for shakti sadhana so that one can get > the basic texts completly. Not the WMDs (and there > are many) but the basi tools. The WMDs I leave for > the person's Guru to teach. > > Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote:Dear > Brianna: > > Thank you for sharing your honest concerns on the > public board. A lot > of members listen in silence; a few send the > moderators notes asking > us to stop this argument or that one; a couple > silently leave the > group when things get too hot, as they occasionally > do. > > I personally agree with you: I have not liked the > tone of a lot of > the messages lately. I don't mind the theological > and scriptural > hairsplitting so much -- there is a definitely place > for and value in > such discussion; and many people find it truly > fascinating. But what > I don't like is the lack of respect, the easy > insults, the thinly > veiled (or blatently open) personal attacks that get > tucked into > certain posts. There's just no need for it. > > And it's really never constructive, because > spirituality is the most > personal of endeavors. No person can truly judge > another's spiritual > progress or lack thereof -- well, an authentic guru > can; but > certainly, there's not a heck of a lot you can > accurately judge in > the context of an online discussion board. And > anyone who says they > can is either playing you for a fool, or trying to > sell something. > > In Shakta practice, perhaps more than any other, > what really matters > ultimately happens between devotee and Devi, > one-on-one. You can read > all the scriptures and books you want to, buy the > paraphernalia you > can afford, argue in the chat groups until the > carpal tunnel syndrome > kicks in. But that's all window dressing. Where the > rubber meets the > road is in the pooja room (or corner, or wherever > you finally sit > down to pay homage to Devi). The outside world fades > away; the busy > chatter stops; the books are set aside; the computer > is turned off. > And it's just you and Her. That is the time that > really matters. > That's when the serious work happens. That's also > where you fuel > yourself with the Energy you need to try and do Her > work when you > make your inevitable return to this temporal world. > > So what is this Group's (or any Group's) role? > Depends on your point > of view -- maybe a lot; maybe not much. Well, SS > certainly tries to > be many things to many people. Perhaps that is why > it becomes so > frustrating for various souls, at various times. > There are serious > Srividya upasaks here -- at very elementary levels > and at very high > levels. There are bhaktas of countless Devi forms; > again at all > different levels of accomplishment. There are > passionate devotees, > academic-minded researchers, armchair > anthropologists, yoga > instructors, Devi-curious pagans, austere Shaivas, > cautiously > enthusiastic Vaishnavas, and on and on and on ... > And so it's > inevitably that there'll be a little friction now > and then. But take > it for what its worth -- it's just a , > after all; no more, > no less. But with any luck at all, you'll find that > the like-minded > friends you encounter here will more than offset > minor irritations > caused by the folks who drive you batty. So please > stick around, > hokay? I, for one, would miss you if you were gone. > ;-) > > DB > > , Brianna > Mosteller > <rubyrapunzel> wrote: > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu! > > > > My, my, my, sometimes I forget why I am a member > of > > this group... what with my inbox beyond readable > in > > it's fullness. Am finding it to be a challenge to > will > > myself to open postings the majority of which seem > to > > be negative rantings, snide attacks on other > members, > > and insufferable scriptural semantics. > > > > Are we here to win the "Who can beat down the most > > bhaktas with our egotistical rhetoric" prize? Does > > every topic have to be an argument? Some people > just > > have to be right about everything, even when > they're > > wrong. And instead of agreeing to disagree and > moving > > on, they become MORE cutting and argumentative. > > > > I feel really torn, because part of me wants to > leave > > this group and it's daily verbal jousting. > Scriptural > > topics, which should invoke compassion and humble > > self-inquiry, give me the impression of a pack of > dogs > > snarling over a dry bone. It's not that I think we > > should be in agreement about all things, but some > of > > these postings are thinly veiled attacks on the > > character and intelligence of some really nice > people. > > It's really to the discredit of the authors, who > seem > > to be both knowlegeable and articulate, if perhaps > > lacking in modesty and tact. > > > > On the flip side, I am enjoying the opportunity to > > chant the above mantra so often! > > > > pranams, > > > > Brianna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for > 25¢ > > ph/print_splash > > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for > 25¢ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, > Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. 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Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 "Weapons of Mass Destruction" U see some parts are always kept secret and are given from Guru to ELIGIBLE deciples. These are things that can be misused by an ineligible persons. Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel wrote: Forgive my ignorance, what are WMDs? pranams, Brianna --- sankara menon wrote: > yes I agree with you both. Thats but one side of the > coin. what I would like to do is to make the group a > resource base for shakti sadhana so that one can get > the basic texts completly. Not the WMDs (and there > are many) but the basi tools. The WMDs I leave for > the person's Guru to teach. > > Devi Bhakta wrote:Dear > Brianna: > > Thank you for sharing your honest concerns on the > public board. A lot > of members listen in silence; a few send the > moderators notes asking > us to stop this argument or that one; a couple > silently leave the > group when things get too hot, as they occasionally > do. > > I personally agree with you: I have not liked the > tone of a lot of > the messages lately. I don't mind the theological > and scriptural > hairsplitting so much -- there is a definitely place > for and value in > such discussion; and many people find it truly > fascinating. But what > I don't like is the lack of respect, the easy > insults, the thinly > veiled (or blatently open) personal attacks that get > tucked into > certain posts. There's just no need for it. > > And it's really never constructive, because > spirituality is the most > personal of endeavors. No person can truly judge > another's spiritual > progress or lack thereof -- well, an authentic guru > can; but > certainly, there's not a heck of a lot you can > accurately judge in > the context of an online discussion board. And > anyone who says they > can is either playing you for a fool, or trying to > sell something. > > In Shakta practice, perhaps more than any other, > what really matters > ultimately happens between devotee and Devi, > one-on-one. You can read > all the scriptures and books you want to, buy the > paraphernalia you > can afford, argue in the chat groups until the > carpal tunnel syndrome > kicks in. But that's all window dressing. Where the > rubber meets the > road is in the pooja room (or corner, or wherever > you finally sit > down to pay homage to Devi). The outside world fades > away; the busy > chatter stops; the books are set aside; the computer > is turned off. > And it's just you and Her. That is the time that > really matters. > That's when the serious work happens. That's also > where you fuel > yourself with the Energy you need to try and do Her > work when you > make your inevitable return to this temporal world. > > So what is this Group's (or any Group's) role? > Depends on your point > of view -- maybe a lot; maybe not much. Well, SS > certainly tries to > be many things to many people. Perhaps that is why > it becomes so > frustrating for various souls, at various times. > There are serious > Srividya upasaks here -- at very elementary levels > and at very high > levels. There are bhaktas of countless Devi forms; > again at all > different levels of accomplishment. There are > passionate devotees, > academic-minded researchers, armchair > anthropologists, yoga > instructors, Devi-curious pagans, austere Shaivas, > cautiously > enthusiastic Vaishnavas, and on and on and on ... > And so it's > inevitably that there'll be a little friction now > and then. But take > it for what its worth -- it's just a , > after all; no more, > no less. But with any luck at all, you'll find that > the like-minded > friends you encounter here will more than offset > minor irritations > caused by the folks who drive you batty. So please > stick around, > hokay? I, for one, would miss you if you were gone. > ;-) > > DB > > , Brianna > Mosteller > wrote: > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu! > > > > My, my, my, sometimes I forget why I am a member > of > > this group... what with my inbox beyond readable > in > > it's fullness. Am finding it to be a challenge to > will > > myself to open postings the majority of which seem > to > > be negative rantings, snide attacks on other > members, > > and insufferable scriptural semantics. > > > > Are we here to win the "Who can beat down the most > > bhaktas with our egotistical rhetoric" prize? Does > > every topic have to be an argument? Some people > just > > have to be right about everything, even when > they're > > wrong. And instead of agreeing to disagree and > moving > > on, they become MORE cutting and argumentative. > > > > I feel really torn, because part of me wants to > leave > > this group and it's daily verbal jousting. > Scriptural > > topics, which should invoke compassion and humble > > self-inquiry, give me the impression of a pack of > dogs > > snarling over a dry bone. It's not that I think we > > should be in agreement about all things, but some > of > > these postings are thinly veiled attacks on the > > character and intelligence of some really nice > people. > > It's really to the discredit of the authors, who > seem > > to be both knowlegeable and articulate, if perhaps > > lacking in modesty and tact. > > > > On the flip side, I am enjoying the opportunity to > > chant the above mantra so often! > > > > pranams, > > > > Brianna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for > 25¢ > > ph/print_splash > > > > > Links > > > / > > > > > Your use of is subject to the > > > > > > > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for > 25¢ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ------------------------ Sponsor > ---------------------~--> > Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, > Epson, Canon or Lexmark > Printer at MyInks.com. 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Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Oh, thank you! Just out of curiosity, are these WMD's contained within the scriptures, passed down orally or otherwise transmited from guru to disciple? I have a sneaking suspicion that part or most of what is given through guru's grace cannot be gained by an aspirant's efforts alone. Is this correct? pranams, Brianna P.S. Not suggesting that one cannot attain moksha without grace of guru, as there is grace of god. --- sankara menon <kochu1tz wrote: > > "Weapons of Mass Destruction" > U see some parts are always kept secret and are > given from Guru to ELIGIBLE deciples. These are > things that can be misused by an ineligible persons. > > Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel wrote: > Forgive my ignorance, what are WMDs? > > pranams, > > Brianna > --- sankara menon wrote: > > yes I agree with you both. Thats but one side of > the > > coin. what I would like to do is to make the group > a > > resource base for shakti sadhana so that one can > get > > the basic texts completly. Not the WMDs (and there > > are many) but the basi tools. The WMDs I leave for > > the person's Guru to teach. > > > > Devi Bhakta wrote:Dear > > Brianna: > > > > Thank you for sharing your honest concerns on the > > public board. A lot > > of members listen in silence; a few send the > > moderators notes asking > > us to stop this argument or that one; a couple > > silently leave the > > group when things get too hot, as they > occasionally > > do. > > > > I personally agree with you: I have not liked the > > tone of a lot of > > the messages lately. I don't mind the theological > > and scriptural > > hairsplitting so much -- there is a definitely > place > > for and value in > > such discussion; and many people find it truly > > fascinating. But what > > I don't like is the lack of respect, the easy > > insults, the thinly > > veiled (or blatently open) personal attacks that > get > > tucked into > > certain posts. There's just no need for it. > > > > And it's really never constructive, because > > spirituality is the most > > personal of endeavors. No person can truly judge > > another's spiritual > > progress or lack thereof -- well, an authentic > guru > > can; but > > certainly, there's not a heck of a lot you can > > accurately judge in > > the context of an online discussion board. And > > anyone who says they > > can is either playing you for a fool, or trying to > > sell something. > > > > In Shakta practice, perhaps more than any other, > > what really matters > > ultimately happens between devotee and Devi, > > one-on-one. You can read > > all the scriptures and books you want to, buy the > > paraphernalia you > > can afford, argue in the chat groups until the > > carpal tunnel syndrome > > kicks in. But that's all window dressing. Where > the > > rubber meets the > > road is in the pooja room (or corner, or wherever > > you finally sit > > down to pay homage to Devi). The outside world > fades > > away; the busy > > chatter stops; the books are set aside; the > computer > > is turned off. > > And it's just you and Her. That is the time that > > really matters. > > That's when the serious work happens. That's also > > where you fuel > > yourself with the Energy you need to try and do > Her > > work when you > > make your inevitable return to this temporal > world. > > > > So what is this Group's (or any Group's) role? > > Depends on your point > > of view -- maybe a lot; maybe not much. Well, SS > > certainly tries to > > be many things to many people. Perhaps that is why > > it becomes so > > frustrating for various souls, at various times. > > There are serious > > Srividya upasaks here -- at very elementary levels > > and at very high > > levels. There are bhaktas of countless Devi forms; > > again at all > > different levels of accomplishment. There are > > passionate devotees, > > academic-minded researchers, armchair > > anthropologists, yoga > > instructors, Devi-curious pagans, austere Shaivas, > > cautiously > > enthusiastic Vaishnavas, and on and on and on ... > > And so it's > > inevitably that there'll be a little friction now > > and then. But take > > it for what its worth -- it's just a , > > after all; no more, > > no less. But with any luck at all, you'll find > that > > the like-minded > > friends you encounter here will more than offset > > minor irritations > > caused by the folks who drive you batty. So please > > stick around, > > hokay? I, for one, would miss you if you were > gone. > > ;-) > > > > DB > > > > , Brianna > > Mosteller > > wrote: > > > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu! > > > > > > My, my, my, sometimes I forget why I am a member > > of > > > this group... what with my inbox beyond readable > > in > > > it's fullness. Am finding it to be a challenge > to > > will > > > myself to open postings the majority of which > seem > > to > > > be negative rantings, snide attacks on other > > members, > > > and insufferable scriptural semantics. > > > > > > Are we here to win the "Who can beat down the > most > > > bhaktas with our egotistical rhetoric" prize? > Does > > > every topic have to be an argument? Some people > > just > > > have to be right about everything, even when > > they're > > > wrong. And instead of agreeing to disagree and > > moving > > > on, they become MORE cutting and argumentative. > > > > > > I feel really torn, because part of me wants to > > leave > > > this group and it's daily verbal jousting. > > Scriptural > > > topics, which should invoke compassion and > humble > > > self-inquiry, give me the impression of a pack > of > > dogs > > > snarling over a dry bone. It's not that I think > we > > > should be in agreement about all things, but > some > > of > > > these postings are thinly veiled attacks on the > > > character and intelligence of some really nice > > people. > > > It's really to the discredit of the authors, who > > seem > > > to be both knowlegeable and articulate, if > perhaps > > > lacking in modesty and tact. > > > > > > On the flip side, I am enjoying the opportunity > to > > > chant the above mantra so often! > > > > > > pranams, > > > > > > Brianna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints > for > === message truncated === Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ph/print_splash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2004 Report Share Posted May 2, 2004 , Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel> wrote: > Lokah Samastah Sukhino Bhavantu! > > My, my, my, sometimes I forget why I am a member of > this group... what with my inbox beyond readable in > it's fullness. Am finding it to be a challenge to will > myself to open postings the majority of which seem to > be negative rantings, snide attacks on other members, > and insufferable scriptural semantics. I dont know who gave you the idea that discussing scriptures is not the way to moksha. It is definitely neither a Hindu view nor a Shakta view. If you are not interested in them, that is your preference. There is no need to portray scriptural discussions as something redundant just because you dont like them. It looks like you are saying: One should stop all scriptural discussions and should behave or do things like me(like writing poems etc). I am not saying one shouldnt write devotional poems. Looks like another case of my way is better and yours isnt. No different from those whom you prefer to criticise in this post. Rgds > > Are we here to win the "Who can beat down the most > bhaktas with our egotistical rhetoric" prize? Does > every topic have to be an argument? Some people just > have to be right about everything, even when they're > wrong. And instead of agreeing to disagree and moving > on, they become MORE cutting and argumentative. > > I feel really torn, because part of me wants to leave > this group and it's daily verbal jousting. Scriptural > topics, which should invoke compassion and humble > self-inquiry, give me the impression of a pack of dogs > snarling over a dry bone. It's not that I think we > should be in agreement about all things, but some of > these postings are thinly veiled attacks on the > character and intelligence of some really nice people. > It's really to the discredit of the authors, who seem > to be both knowlegeable and articulate, if perhaps > lacking in modesty and tact. > > On the flip side, I am enjoying the opportunity to > chant the above mantra so often! > > pranams, > > Brianna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Satishji! You misunderstood me completely! Where in my post did I say that I thought scriptural study was not a way to moksha?? I was speaking about the manner in which the scriptures are argued over in this group. Disagreements on the subject seem to bring out a harsh undertone and clash of egos. Scriptural study is of the greatest importance to me, I would never discredit it. I just was wishing the discussions could be a little less cutting. In fact, I posted a message yesterday about the KS, which did not go up.... can I ask why? I never "criticized" anyone. It is nothing against the people who were debating eachother, only the tone of some of the messages offended me. I certainly don't want everyone to be more like me! I don't think "my way" is better than anyone elses! I am trying to learn from you guys. I just feel really turned off by the arguing. It comes across as competetive, and doesn't do justice to the topic, in my opinion. I was just asking if we could all try to be nice to eachother. pranams, Brianna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2004 Report Share Posted May 3, 2004 Oh, sorry, I just saw it! --- Brianna Mosteller <rubyrapunzel wrote: > In fact, I posted a message yesterday about the KS, > which did not go up.... can I ask why? ===== sarvabhauma_yoga/ Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes./careermakeover Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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