On Freedom .... it isn't who we are. [ was In Short Conversation]

[Guest guest]

[From message 9570]"Being the householder is the most difficult

thing. It is like you being tied down. I know if I am not a

householder, renunciation is so easy for me. I can wander around

anywhere but being a householder forcing me to stay put and learning

to come to terms with the fact."

 

[Eric Otto ]: "This way of being or seeing is not something that

many people would consciously go after, you are correct. It make for

a life that is probably more complicated and leaves people around you

confused about decisions that one makes that seem to make no sense

at all except from the point of view that one is trying to be

conscious, awake and aware. It is also a problem when people who like

to think in conventional ways about life, the universe and everything

might have to look at something differently. At times, it is down

right painful at times"

 

[sun Electric ]: So much of what constitutes freedom is learning to

shift ones sense of self and identity "upwards" and "away from"

narrow and false self conception and limitations until gradually one

comes to know oneself as the whole, the Divine Radiance that

underlies & permeates all things (Sri Devi). That is a long way off

for most of us. Until then we all do the best we can with what we

have and enjoy everything

along the way ; )

 

[s.Anand Nisrag ]: Freedom, Moksha, is found only within the human

will

 

[Eric Otto ] : As much as I can see the black and white of what she

is saying, life seems a bit more complicated than that. For example,

a friend of mine was complaining about his dead end job and having to

support three children. He is "free" to quit his job and there are no

obligations ultimately to the children. He could get on a boat and go

to Brazil. There is a life in progress with him, however, that

involve his children (that he loves) and a dream of a better future

for them. His life is a tight squeeze now. There aren't a lot of

options there. When we are young we have tons of options but as we

get older those options tend to lessen. This isn't good or bad as far

as I can see. There is a freedom of acceptance of the reality of this

life but understanding about "our ultimate essence" understands that

this exists but it isn't who we are."

 

You are right Eric, it isn't who we are. And yet again, it is

this commitment that brings us down to the realities of life. Sorry

for taking such a long time for me to respond. I have always wanted

to say something but somehow got distracted. Had an interesting short

conversation with my good friend earlier with regards to this message

of yours.

 

Let us share it: "someone has to keep us in line. Our family

brings balance to it somehow all these are the factors that keep us

reminded of our obligations. We made a conscious decision and we are

to learn to honor that commitment and not running away. This is what

I learn. The voices of DEVI come from our family. I think it is also

a lesson in detachment. You maintain committed and yet detach. We

have to detach ourselves from our monastic tendencies. Rather than

detaching ourselves from the world. Remind me of the story of Parvati

and Shiva. It is being said that if not for Parvati, Shiva will still

be in the mountain , into his ascetism all the time and not

accessible to his devotees. Parvati domesticate him and made him a

householder. And now She's doing the same thing to us"

 

We are like heroes you see. Wanting to go out there and save the

world. Wanting to do good to humankind, but " to understand the

whole world and how it functions you cannot see it from what they

are. To understand them you have to bring them to a level that

everybody can understand. In a household you face with a lot of daily

routine and problems, if you cannot learn to understand and accept

this, how can you learn to understand the whole world and how it

works? If you cannot show compassion to your own family how can you

show compassion to others" This experience teaches us to be

accommodating. To understand the whole concept of patience and

tolerance. And yet to remain focus on our devotion to our goal or to

the divine despite all the distraction of the daily living.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Noraji,

 

You message reminds me of the mango tree. Some mango get matured and drop to the

ground and whilst others needs to stay on the tree. The one that drops because

it has eaten enough from the tree so it goes on to be eaten by humans,to be of

service ...........but those still on tree are not because the tree needs them

but because it needs the tree

 

The householder is like the unripe mango needs to be on the tree. Sannyasa is

not escapism neither is householdership a chain on your legs . Both has it's a

purpose for the evolvement of the sadhaka . Everything has it right place !

 

Paramasivan kalatil irenthe Pabe sonnathe Garuda

saukyama.........................

 

Jai Maa!!

 

"N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy wrote:

[From message 9570]"Being the householder is the most difficult

thing. It is like you being tied down. I know if I am not a

householder, renunciation is so easy for me. I can wander around

anywhere but being a householder forcing me to stay put and learning

to come to terms with the fact."

 

[Eric Otto ]: "This way of being or seeing is not something that

many people would consciously go after, you are correct. It make for

a life that is probably more complicated and leaves people around you

confused about decisions that one makes that seem to make no sense

at all except from the point of view that one is trying to be

conscious, awake and aware. It is also a problem when people who like

to think in conventional ways about life, the universe and everything

might have to look at something differently. At times, it is down

right painful at times"

 

[sun Electric ]: So much of what constitutes freedom is learning to

shift ones sense of self and identity "upwards" and "away from"

narrow and false self conception and limitations until gradually one

comes to know oneself as the whole, the Divine Radiance that

underlies & permeates all things (Sri Devi). That is a long way off

for most of us. Until then we all do the best we can with what we

have and enjoy everything

along the way ; )

 

[s.Anand Nisrag ]: Freedom, Moksha, is found only within the human

will

 

[Eric Otto ] : As much as I can see the black and white of what she

is saying, life seems a bit more complicated than that. For example,

a friend of mine was complaining about his dead end job and having to

support three children. He is "free" to quit his job and there are no

obligations ultimately to the children. He could get on a boat and go

to Brazil. There is a life in progress with him, however, that

involve his children (that he loves) and a dream of a better future

for them. His life is a tight squeeze now. There aren't a lot of

options there. When we are young we have tons of options but as we

get older those options tend to lessen. This isn't good or bad as far

as I can see. There is a freedom of acceptance of the reality of this

life but understanding about "our ultimate essence" understands that

this exists but it isn't who we are."

 

You are right Eric, it isn't who we are. And yet again, it is

this commitment that brings us down to the realities of life. Sorry

for taking such a long time for me to respond. I have always wanted

to say something but somehow got distracted. Had an interesting short

conversation with my good friend earlier with regards to this message

of yours.

 

Let us share it: "someone has to keep us in line. Our family

brings balance to it somehow all these are the factors that keep us

reminded of our obligations. We made a conscious decision and we are

to learn to honor that commitment and not running away. This is what

I learn. The voices of DEVI come from our family. I think it is also

a lesson in detachment. You maintain committed and yet detach. We

have to detach ourselves from our monastic tendencies. Rather than

detaching ourselves from the world. Remind me of the story of Parvati

and Shiva. It is being said that if not for Parvati, Shiva will still

be in the mountain , into his ascetism all the time and not

accessible to his devotees. Parvati domesticate him and made him a

householder. And now She's doing the same thing to us"

 

We are like heroes you see. Wanting to go out there and save the

world. Wanting to do good to humankind, but " to understand the

whole world and how it functions you cannot see it from what they

are. To understand them you have to bring them to a level that

everybody can understand. In a household you face with a lot of daily

routine and problems, if you cannot learn to understand and accept

this, how can you learn to understand the whole world and how it

works? If you cannot show compassion to your own family how can you

show compassion to others" This experience teaches us to be

accommodating. To understand the whole concept of patience and

tolerance. And yet to remain focus on our devotion to our goal or to

the divine despite all the distraction of the daily living.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

"You message reminds me of the mango tree. Some mango get matured and

drop to the ground and whilst others needs to stay on the tree. The

one that drops because it has eaten enough from the tree so it goes

on to be eaten by humans,to be of service ...........but those still

on tree are not because the tree needs them but because it needs the

tree"

 

Some mangoes drop because it has turn bad and cannot hold on to the

trees anymore. Have you seen those type of mangoes?

[Guest guest]

Some mangoes drop because it has turn bad and cannot hold on to the

trees anymore. Have you seen those type of mangoes?

 

Oh yes how could I forget..........This are for those spritiual conmen. Who is

busy sucking like parasite making use human spritiual and psyhcological need.

They ultimately would decay and have the worst fall of from the tree . I have

seen some of them in nigtmarkets too. LOL

 

Thank you ..

[Guest guest]

Nora : Some mangoes drop because it has turn bad and cannot hold on

to the trees anymore. Have you seen those type of mangoes?

 

Kanna Krishnan "Oh yes how could I forget..........This are for those

spritiual conmen. Who is busy sucking like parasite making use human

spritiual and psyhcological need. They ultimately would decay and

have the worst fall of from the tree . I have seen some of them in

nigtmarkets too. LOL Thank you ..'

 

 

NO Krishana Kanan, I should be the one to thank you. I always thought

you only concentrate on pebbles and diamonds. Who wants to look at

mangoes? And nice to know that you know how to LOL too. Keep it up!

[Guest guest]

Pranam, Kannaji.

 

*Paramasivan kalatil irenthe Pabe sonnathe Garuda

saukyama.........................*

 

"Yaarum irukum idathil irunthal endrum ellam soukiyame" Garudan sonnathu..

 

I really enjoy these lyrics as these simple statements convey the highest

meanings. Thank you for reminding me.

 

With love

 

Shankaree

 

P.S. For those who do not know Tamil, it means,

 

The snake asked, from Paramasivan's neck "Garuda, are you fine?"

 

Garuda said, "If everyone is at their own places, everything is always fine."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

>From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Vannakam Shankareeji,

 

It is also nice hear from you and what more this sweet tamil

verses.........................

 

What happen to your beautiful Tirukural.I miss

them...............................

 

Enba me Sollge Ellorum Vallge !!!!!

 

shankaree ramatas <shankaree wrote:

 

Pranam, Kannaji.

 

*Paramasivan kalatil irenthe Pabe sonnathe Garuda

saukyama.........................*

 

"Yaarum irukum idathil irunthal endrum ellam soukiyame" Garudan sonnathu..

 

I really enjoy these lyrics as these simple statements convey the highest

meanings. Thank you for reminding me.

 

With love

 

Shankaree

 

P.S. For those who do not know Tamil, it means,

 

The snake asked, from Paramasivan's neck "Garuda, are you fine?"

 

Garuda said, "If everyone is at their own places, everything is always fine."

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Let my every word be a prayer to Thee,

Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee,

Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image,

Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee,

Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet;

Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do,

Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee."

>From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari

 

 

 

 

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