Guest guest Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Nora : If the magoes have drop and ultimately would decay, how can it drop again. From where? Kanna: From the soil. The soil is the source. So loving is the soil that somethime it is called MOTHER earth and sometimes called as SAKTHI source of energy.She gives a chance for the spoilt mango to be born again as a tree from its seed. Spoilt mango is given chance again and and again to be born either it can choose to be tree this time or transform itself to another mango fruit again .It always gets a second chance until it refines itself to become the spark of divinity just like the TREE just like the SOIL. The source of energy runs through all.. Nora ;And there are mangoes who look good from the outside. Nice and delicious, but when you slice them, filled with maggots. What do you call this : The parasite within? Where do you think the parasite comes from? Kanna: Well that is a very interesting question.Where the asuric maggots come from. The mango would love to blame or claim they are from the tree or other external sources ( like the insects ,human hand and so forth) but end of the day it is inside the mango when we open them .The mango need to be strong within to ward of these asuric tendencies. It cannnot claim since it runs on the same sakthi from the soil that flows through the tree then it is invincible. And the only way it can do this is by doing....sadhana..........SAKTHI SADHANA! Yes spritual practice to ensure divinity manifest from within. Often we do not see these people with maggots within. They represent spiritual instituition that has credibilty for years , quoting scripture facts , good at articulation however one day the asuric maggots find their way out of them.They not only destroy themself but also bring bad name to the rest of the mangoes on the tree. Some even question how come the soil which is the source of all energy allowed the growth of the mango on the tree. But the soil is source of all creation do not forget the soil is all the source for all kind of worms that helps the to keep the soil resouceful as well. So really the problem is not the soil nor the tree but there was no cultivation of sadhana for positive growth of the mango despite having the best tree and soil available thus the asuric maggots was found within. Sadhana is the key to keep the maggots away..... Jai Maaa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Kanna: From the soil. The soil is the source. So loving is the soil that somethime it is called MOTHER earth and sometimes called as SAKTHI source of energy. She gives a chance for the spoilt mango to be born again as a tree from its seed. Spoilt mango is given chance again and and again to be born either it can choose to be tree this time or transform itself to another mango fruit again .It always gets a second chance until it refines itself to become the spark of divinity just like the TREE just like the SOIL. The source of energy runs through all.. How can we say it drop then. Shouldnt the right word to be assimilate or merge with the soil, the Mother Earth. We merge with the Divine, when we have remove the maggots and what nots. What is left is the seed. It is this seed, implanted and sowed in the mother's womb and reborn? "Spoilt mango is given chance again and and again to be born either it can choose to be tree this time or transform itself to another mango fruit again" HOw can this be? This is not the proper order of things. If you look at the reproductive aspect of mango trees, from the seed merge with the soil with correct environment, it grows to becomes tress then they grow flowers and fertilisation take place and it bear fruit. If there is no fertilisation, the tress is barren and therefore no fruit. So where is the choice for the mangoes seed? How can a mangoes transform itself to another mango fruit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Nora : How can we say it drop then. Shouldnt the right word to be assimilate or merge with the soil, the Mother Earth. We merge with the Divine, when we have remove the maggots and what nots. What is left is the seed. It is this seed, implanted and sowed in the mother's womb and reborn? Yes I have to agree. Drop sounds crude merge would be better . Well some are born back sorry I mean manifest as mango again not for himself but to guide others .All depends on Mother's Divine Will..... Nora : HOw can this be? This is not the proper order of things. If you look at the reproductive aspect of mango trees, from the seed merge with the soil with correct environment, it grows to becomes tress then they grow flowers and fertilisation take place and it bear fruit. If there is no fertilisation, the tress is barren and therefore no fruit. So where is the choice for the mangoes seed? How can a mangoes transform itself to another mango fruit? Above all the order there lies the energy that flows at background .If we agree this energy governs. Then the governer has the abilty to change the set order if he wish to do so . I know I would not go down well with the scientific community to say the creator of order could change the order if he wants to . They would definately say things follows a set pattern or order in nature but I feel if the creator decide to change the order or rationalisation He could .So without fertilisation and even a barren tree could produce flowers - we call it miracle ,magic, paranormal ,abnormal, defies logic or whatever but it can happen by will of the Divine ... But to our story the mango thinks it is ripe by external factors but fertilizer and so forth but actually it is the potential energy within it that is guiding him through the process. This energy flows from the tree from the soil this is the SOURCE.The mango was only puppet in the energies hand .................All external factor must also be present but this again are actually from the same source . The source set this condition for growth and remove them as well if he wants to .............. Jai Maa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Dear Kanna: If spiritual aspirants are to be compared to mangoes, I would say there are two varieties -- Renunciate and Householder (comparable to Alfonso and Mancurado, if you will; both types being quite nice, both having much to recommend them, and yet each having their own unique and distinctive characteristics). We cannot say that Alfonsos are ripe mangoes, and Mancurados are unripe mangoes. Indeed, such a statement would be absurd: They are separate varieties; individual specimens within either group may be ripe or unripe. And the number of ripe specimens increases as time goes by. As far as maggots and other types of rot are concerned, again I believe that both varieties are equally susceptible. One must be careful -- any given specimen might be a bad one; but from that single fruit one cannot judge the entire tree. Still, it is rare to find an absolutely perfect fruit. Even the best may have a small bruise or two (both paths have their share of bumps and potholes). But there is at least one way in which spiritual aspirants are different from mangoes: They are self-reflective; if they detect maggots or other rot within them, they can reverse and cure the process. Is not the rot tamas? Is not the sweet, perfect flesh sattva? And is not sadhana (or the lack thereof) the process by which either can be made into the other? Aum Maatangyai Namahe , kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > "as long as you are not married and have children you are still a child.........I feel you are saying ...... before you are grhastha you are brahmachari...................... > > They must have reason for saying this dont they? A householder an unripe mangoes? > > Yes my dear we are all unripe in certain stage of our life .Before learning to become householder we only remember our own pursuit in life. We watch tv and see children sick , having hole in heart or losing limb we feel compassion until the tv is shut off. Then off we go to do the next thing . As householder we learn that whenever we here a bad news about children somewhere in our heart our own children come to our mind. Later any children are sick or need help we would rush to them thinking we would expect other to do the same for our kids if we are not there. Pretty soon our kids would have children and later our grandchildren would have children by then everything would look like your kid when they were small. Everybody you meet is your relative .........some time you even forgot who is who but all are your kids. By then you are vanaprastha. You would start wondering really what is there in life anymore ?I would retire not to the external forest but to forest of your thought > within. You would retire within to find the answer...Then you would become the sannyas not renounce everything in crude sense but renouncing detachment to everything knowing everything came from the source -remember the soil. Remember Shakthi Maa! > > She is your various manifestation as children, mother, friends ,enemies strangers and everything . She is the source .If this realization dawn then your not not unripe anymore . Then you have matured........Remember when you renounce everthing you are not renouncing your relationship with your mother but realising all mothers are your mother ,you love all children as your children ,everybody is everything to you not the otherwise .Until we are able to do this in some way we are still the unripe mango and we need to be on the tree longer hopefully the enregy in the soil teach us to be just like Him. To love all whether a good or bad mango and gives birth to all . > > Jai Maa!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2004 Report Share Posted April 27, 2004 Namaste, Hey, sorry I've been out of pocket, but I've been at my NEW JOB!!!!!!!!!!! (gushing) So, anyway, I haven't really caught up and I can't find the instructions, but I've got the mango, and I've got the picture from the homepage, I am unmarried and I've never had children. I do own a house. I don't have any maggots, maybe that comes later anyway, but I do have a compost pile that I consider to be a center of sacred Earth magic. So, what do I do next? Blessings, prainbow , "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote: > Dear Kanna: > > If spiritual aspirants are to be compared to mangoes, I would say > there are two varieties -- Renunciate and Householder (comparable to > Alfonso and Mancurado, if you will; both types being quite nice, both > having much to recommend them, and yet each having their own unique > and distinctive characteristics). > > We cannot say that Alfonsos are ripe mangoes, and Mancurados are > unripe mangoes. Indeed, such a statement would be absurd: They are > separate varieties; individual specimens within either group may be > ripe or unripe. And the number of ripe specimens increases as time > goes by. > > As far as maggots and other types of rot are concerned, again I > believe that both varieties are equally susceptible. One must be > careful -- any given specimen might be a bad one; but from that > single fruit one cannot judge the entire tree. Still, it is rare to > find an absolutely perfect fruit. Even the best may have a small > bruise or two (both paths have their share of bumps and potholes). > > But there is at least one way in which spiritual aspirants are > different from mangoes: They are self-reflective; if they detect > maggots or other rot within them, they can reverse and cure the > process. Is not the rot tamas? Is not the sweet, perfect flesh > sattva? And is not sadhana (or the lack thereof) the process by which > either can be made into the other? > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe > > > , kanna krishnan > <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > > "as long as you are not married and have children you are still a > child.........I feel you are saying ...... before you are grhastha > you are brahmachari...................... > > > > They must have reason for saying this dont they? A householder an > unripe mangoes? > > > > Yes my dear we are all unripe in certain stage of our life .Before > learning to become householder we only remember our own pursuit in > life. We watch tv and see children sick , having hole in heart or > losing limb we feel compassion until the tv is shut off. Then off we > go to do the next thing . As householder we learn that whenever we > here a bad news about children somewhere in our heart our own > children come to our mind. Later any children are sick or need help > we would rush to them thinking we would expect other to do the same > for our kids if we are not there. Pretty soon our kids would have > children and later our grandchildren would have children by then > everything would look like your kid when they were small. Everybody > you meet is your relative .........some time you even forgot who is > who but all are your kids. By then you are vanaprastha. You would > start wondering really what is there in life anymore ?I would retire > not to the external forest but to forest of your thought > > within. You would retire within to find the answer...Then you > would become the sannyas not renounce everything in crude sense but > renouncing detachment to everything knowing everything came from the > source -remember the soil. Remember Shakthi Maa! > > > > She is your various manifestation as children, mother, > friends ,enemies strangers and everything . She is the source .If > this realization dawn then your not not unripe anymore . Then you > have matured........Remember when you renounce everthing you are not > renouncing your relationship with your mother but realising all > mothers are your mother ,you love all children as your > children ,everybody is everything to you not the otherwise .Until we > are able to do this in some way we are still the unripe mango and we > need to be on the tree longer hopefully the enregy in the soil teach > us to be just like Him. To love all whether a good or bad mango and > gives birth to all . > > > > Jai Maa!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 prainbow61 wrote: "Hey, sorry I've been out of pocket, but I've been at my NEW JOB!!!!!!!!!!! (gushing) So, anyway, I haven't really caught up and I can't find the instructions, but I've got the mango, and I've got the picture from the homepage, I am unmarried and I've never had children. I do own a house. I don't have any maggots, maybe that comes later anyway, but I do have a compost pile that I consider to be a center of sacred Earth magic. So, what do I do next?" hahahaaaaaaahaaaa Prainbow. You sound soooooooo happy and full of life. welcome back I am about to ask that question to. If we householder are unripe mangoes, then those who are unmarried or the unmarrried renunciates, what are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Glad to see you again, Paulie! Hope the new job was worth the wait, and all you hoped it would be. *** So, what do I do next? *** You're already doing it, just keep it up. Cultivate the sacred Earth as Her body, sanctify your home as Her abode, and chant the Khadgamala to purify Your Essential Self and keep the maggots at bay until you've abandoned the premises. Blessings back at ya DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2004 Report Share Posted April 28, 2004 Pranam, Prainbowji. Congratulations on your new J O B!! I am so glad for you. Good luck. With Love Shankaree Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." >From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Namaste, I do need to keep up with the Khadgamala. It's more difficult now with the new schedule, but I see Her work in my life every day! Bright blessings, prainbow , "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote: > Glad to see you again, Paulie! > > Hope the new job was worth the wait, and all you hoped it would be. > > *** So, what do I do next? *** > > You're already doing it, just keep it up. Cultivate the sacred Earth > as Her body, sanctify your home as Her abode, and chant the > Khadgamala to purify Your Essential Self and keep the maggots at bay > until you've abandoned the premises. > > Blessings back at ya > > DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2004 Report Share Posted May 1, 2004 Namaste Shankaree! Thank you so much for your love and support! prainbow , shankaree ramatas <shankaree> wrote: > Pranam, Prainbowji. Congratulations on your new J O B!! I am so glad for you. Good luck. > > With Love > > Shankaree > > > Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, > Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, > Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, > Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, > Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; > Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, > Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." > > From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari > > > > > Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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