Fwd: Maryann's posting and penkatali's response

[Guest guest]

Om Parashaktyai Namaha,

 

What do you guys think?

> Dear Mary Ann, thanks for sharing this. It gives a

> fresh way of

> understanding the Gospels, one that is open to the

> gnosis or mystical

> path within any religion, opening out the universal

> message therein.

> What a relief from the heavy-handed, overbearing

> fundamentalist

> version of Christianity that usually gets pounded

> into people's heads

> now that they think they're taking over America via

> the Bush

> administration.

>

> I like your approach of looking for further levels

> of meaning by

> tracing the origins of words. J. R. R. Tolkien built

> up a whole

> universe by this method. I was just reading Blue

> Mars by Kim Stanley

> Robinson in which a scientist who had suffered brain

> damage

> reconstructs his coherent view of the world by

> recalling the

> etymology of every word he needs to understand

> better. It's a method

> I've always instinctively used, and was delighted to

> find someone

> else doing the same thing. (Kim Stanley Robinson

> also has a fondness

> for Sufism and works it into his novels in various

> ways.)

>

> As for the specific phrase "I am," Philip K. Dick

> wrote three novels

> toward the end of his life, when he had gone stark

> raving mad. His

> madness opened a fresh burst of artistic creativity.

> One of these

> novels was The Transmigration of Timothy Archer, a

> thinly veiled

> roman à clef basedon the true story of the death of

> Bishop Pike in

> the desert in Israel. According to Dick, the bishop

> died searching

> for a mushroom that caused Jesus to realize his

> divinity. If he could

> have found it, he believed it would unlock the real

> secret of

> Christ's religion and allow everyone to realize

> Christhood, or

> something like that. The mushroom's name was "anoki"

> which means 'I'

> or 'I am' in Hebrew. However, reading about "anoki

> mushroom," all I

> could think of was those tender little white

> Japanese mushrooms

> called enoki.

>

> Sadhana_shakti, "Mary Ann"

> <buttercookie61> wrote:

> > Here are some quotes from a book called The Hidden

> Gospel by Neil

> > Douglas-Klotz, a Sufi who has researched the

> original Aramaic text

> of

> > Jesus' sayings and put together this book.

> >

> > The "I am" leads us to the right experiences at

> the right time and

> > place.

> > ("I am the good shepherd," King James Version of

> the Bible at

> > John 10:11)

> >

> > Simple Presence is the food of understanding,

> giving life to all.

> > ( "I am the bread of life," KJV, John 6:35)

> >

> > The "I am" gives knowledge of all levels of

> sensation and

> > existence.

> > ( "I am the light of the world," KJV, John 8:12)

> >

> > Simple Presence is the door between all worlds.

> > ("I am the door," KJV, John 10:9)

> >

> > The author makes the point that the phrase "I am"

> does not

> > necessarily refer exclusively to the person of

> Jesus, and that the

> > Aramaic sense of the words allows for interpreting

> them as above,

> > whereas the "traditional" or orthodox way of

> interpreting them

> (KJV)

> > makes Jesus the "only way."

> >

> > I initially thought of posting these to the

> message subject "Those

> > Stubborn Hindus" because the reinterpretations

> here explain

> > why Hindus would not feel inclined to "convert,"

> and the book's

> > author is attempting to show that Jesus' message

> was not that

> > of orthodox Christianity, but more in line with

> eastern spiritual

> > traditions.

> >

> > The Hidden Gospel book appeals to me because I am

> a fan of

> > looking words up in the dictionary, tracing their

> meanings, and

> > recognizing their multi-layered capacities. Often,

> we have such a

> > limited conscious usage and understanding of

> language, yet we

> > partake in the "collective unconscious," to use a

> Jungian term.

> > Since that is as old as humanity and it is present

> with us all the

> > time, being knowledgeable about words and their

> meanings

> > over time can deepen our understandings of what we

> see or

> > hear in dreams, what our deepest self conveys to

> us, and

> > whatever truly "speaks" to us in the world,

> whether in scriptures,

> > or new-age Hinduism or whatever.

> >

> > If this post is useful to you in anyway, enjoy. If

> not, look

> > elsewhere.

> >

> > Om Shaktishivyaikya Rupinai Namaha

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

"What do you guys think?"

 

What I think?

Firstly it didnt make sense to me. Mary Ann and Penkatali both are a

member of our group. If they wants this message to be in our group

and get a response here, would it be logical for them to post it here

personally?

 

Secondly : Is Mary Ann and Penkatali aware that their messages are

being forwarded and paraded around probably to other too?

 

My question in return is What do you make of this?

 

I am not against Sadhana_Shakti, but I question about this trend of

forwarding messages from one group to another. Please read the

terms and conditon again especially about the ownership of messages.

[Guest guest]

The book Mary Ann quoted from seems to take a syncretic approach to

Christianity, combining ideas and elements from Eastern religions

with Christian thought.

 

Syncretic approaches to religion certainly aren't unique to the West

and certainly didn't start with the New Age movement in the 70's.

Popular or cultural religion often contains syncretic elements--

recently Devi Bhakta posted an article about Christians in Goa who

also take part in Hindu observances. In Nepal, the Newars combine

elements of Buddhism and Hinduism in their religion (keeping all the

holidays, I think :-) And in the U.S. we have Easter Eggs and

Christmas trees--arguably pagan elements added to cultural

Christianity.

 

Discomfort with syncretic approaches isn't new, either. I think it's

understandable that someone who views his religion as "THE way" would

be uncomfortable with--or might even feel insulted by--syncretic

explorations.

 

I recently read a very cogent article explaining the objections (from

a Christian viewpoint) to the kind of Christian/Hindu synthesis we

see practiced by the followers of Paramahansa Yogananda (and probably

other teachers). I've been searching, but can't seem to find the

article again....sigh. If I locate it, I'll certainly share with the

group.

 

I would imagine there could be a parallel analysis from a Hindu point

of view.

 

Perhaps we could re-frame or re-direct this discussion in a more

productive and less contentious direction if we look at the ideas in

that particular book, and Mary Ann's comments, as part of a bigger

picture?

 

j.

[Guest guest]

Om Parashaktyai Namaha,

 

Adiji (owner of Sadhana_Shakti) asked me to forward this to you guys.

I also thought it was worth sharing. I don't think it is a violation

of any policy, although I certainly apologize if Mary Ann of PK

are offended. I was not "parading" the message around, and only

forwarded it here, as per request. I thought it was topical,

intelligent, and thought-provoking.

 

pranams,

 

Brianna

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> "What do you guys think?"

>

> What I think?

> Firstly it didnt make sense to me. Mary Ann and Penkatali both are

a

> member of our group. If they wants this message to be in our group

> and get a response here, would it be logical for them to post it

here

> personally?

>

> Secondly : Is Mary Ann and Penkatali aware that their messages are

> being forwarded and paraded around probably to other

too?

>

> My question in return is What do you make of this?

>

> I am not against Sadhana_Shakti, but I question about this trend of

> forwarding messages from one group to another. Please read the

> terms and conditon again especially about the ownership of messages.

[Guest guest]

Jai Ma,

 

Mary Ann recieved a lot of criticism here in Shakti

Sadhana, and I think PK's response is a good example

of a complimentary view. Adiji asked me to forward it

in appreciation of Mary Ann's contribution, and

because I am also a moderator of Sadhana Shakti.

 

Again, I just thought it was interesting and worth

sharing.

 

hugs and pranams,

 

Brianna

 

--- Brianna <rubyrapunzel wrote:

> Om Parashaktyai Namaha,

>

> Adiji (owner of Sadhana_Shakti) asked me to forward

> this to you guys.

> I also thought it was worth sharing. I don't think

> it is a violation

> of any policy, although I certainly apologize

> if Mary Ann of PK

> are offended. I was not "parading" the message

> around, and only

> forwarded it here, as per request. I thought it was

> topical,

> intelligent, and thought-provoking.

>

> pranams,

>

> Brianna

>

> , "N. Madasamy"

>

> <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> > "What do you guys think?"

> >

> > What I think?

> > Firstly it didnt make sense to me. Mary Ann and

> Penkatali both are

> a

> > member of our group. If they wants this message to

> be in our group

> > and get a response here, would it be logical for

> them to post it

> here

> > personally?

> >

> > Secondly : Is Mary Ann and Penkatali aware that

> their messages are

> > being forwarded and paraded around probably to

> other

> too?

> >

> > My question in return is What do you make of this?

> >

> > I am not against Sadhana_Shakti, but I question

> about this trend of

> > forwarding messages from one group to another.

> Please read the

>

> > terms and conditon again especially about the

> ownership of messages.

>

>

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Dear Nora,

 

I am very proud of the stand you took today.

 

Any group have their boundaries and limitations . None is perfect . If we could

do what Nora did that s a great step .

 

She did not comment neither gave bad remark on posting that was not directed to

Her

 

Bravo Nora !!!

 

Mangoing off,

 

Kanna .

 

 

 

 

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