Thoughts on Karma and Computer Programs...

[Guest guest]

One of the guys called up a program here on his computer. The program started

to do an endless loop. A program loop... I wonder if

this is the nature of karma... We hit the wrong buttons and it sent the whole

program into an endless loop.

 

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

"One of the guys called up a program here on his computer. The

program started to do an endless loop. A program loop... I wonder if

this is the nature of karma... We hit the wrong buttons and it sent

the whole program into an endless loop."

 

I am not sure about Karma, but I know a computer loop, you can stop

the whole program into an endless loop, and you can rectify the

problem, then redo again. Can we do the same for Karma?

[Guest guest]

Hello N -

 

Probably I have too much time on my hands but it has been an

interesting meditation. When a program is too corrupted or breaks

down, you can find the task manager and shut it down or you can turn

off the computer and reboot. Hopefully, one can try to figure out

why it went into the loop mode anyway. Maybe life and death is a

reboot.

 

There is an American movie called GROUND HOG DAY that is about a

character who relives the same day over and over again. In the mean

time he becomes a very acomplished pianist, he saves people lives,

make a great number of friends and wins over the love of his life.

Also, he became more aware of others and go beyond is own

selfishness. Perhaps in a very simple way this is the wheel of

karma.

 

Well, I'll continue to ponder on this and if anything comes of it,

I'll share it.

 

Eric

 

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> "One of the guys called up a program here on his computer. The

> program started to do an endless loop. A program loop... I wonder

if

> this is the nature of karma... We hit the wrong buttons and it sent

> the whole program into an endless loop."

>

> I am not sure about Karma, but I know a computer loop, you can stop

> the whole program into an endless loop, and you can rectify the

> problem, then redo again. Can we do the same for Karma?

[Guest guest]

Good Morning Eric,

 

Always nice to see you back in the group.

 

"Probably I have too much time on my hands but it has been an

interesting meditation. When a program is too corrupted or breaks

down, you can find the task manager and shut it down or you can turn

off the computer and reboot. Hopefully, one can try to figure out

why it went into the loop mode anyway. Maybe life and death is a

Reboot."

 

A wise man told me once: you can never catch up with time. You have

to make the time and time will be there for you. Perhaps that is what

you have done. You have made the time to think about all these and

willing to share it with us. Another wise man told me when he read my

message "yes the loop program can be rectified, that's what

we do with sadhana". Sadhana is the process whereby we fine tune

ourselves.

 

Another thing that is different between the Computer Programs and

Karma is that we are the one who create the computer programs. So the

problems arises from the programs depends on the programmer's

him/herself. If the programmer is an expert, then there will be fewer

problems or perhaps no problem at all. The reruns will be less or

none. One runs and everything is okay.

 

And as Prisni mention in her message "we choose our future

bodies. We do it by our consciousness. When we reincarnate we get a

body suitable for the consciousness we have, so by focusing our

consciousness in a certain direction, we also choose our future body.

This process is moderated by karma; reactions to previous

actions".

 

As for Karma [i hope this is not a stupid question] who

"create" this karma? If Karma is like the computer program:

who write

these programs? Or Karma is the computer itself?

 

I still remember the first time I became fascinated with the

computers. While walking along the rows of shopping mall, I saw this

computer display. It was displaying all the fantastic stuff. I

thought: hey! Isn't that really good? So I decided to take up

computer programming and learn all about computers. I learn to

dismantle the computers and put them back again. Learn to write

fantastic programs etc…. eventually I got bored, because I began

to realize that the computer are not that "good" after all,

because it still depends on human to create the programs and the

computers only do what the humans want them to do.

 

Then I'm being introduced with this Artificial Intelligence

concepts comes in: what happen if the computers able to learn on his

own just like us, human.

 

"There is an American movie called GROUND HOG DAY that is about a

character who relives the same day over and over again. In the

meantime he becomes a very accomplished pianist, he saves people

lives, make a great number of friends and wins over the love of his

life. Also, he became more aware of others and go beyond is own

Selfishness. Perhaps in a very simple way this is the wheel of

karma. "

 

Yes! I saw that movie, not once but three times. Nice movie and it

gives us something to think about did it. What happen if we can

relives our lives over and over again the same day.

 

In my opinion, his awareness came because he realizes the state he is

in. The first time he was confuse then when he realizes the

situation he is in and he tried to take advantage of that situation.

He knows if He were to jump in front of the train, he will not

get "killed" because he will still be awake the next time he

opens his eyes and his is still back to the same situation. The main

thing is that He is AWARE of his state, but does we all. I forgot

about the ending, did he break the cycle?

 

Did you see another movie [one of my favorite movie after star wars]:

The Highlander: " The warrior, The lover, The wanderer,

constantly facing other Immortals in combat to the death. The winner

takes his enemy's head: and with it, his power etc…. I love the

part

when he took his sword up in the air and shout "There can be only

one" and the powerful energy he absorbs. LOL. Doesn't it

sound

awesome!

 

Anybody who is interested to read more about the Highlanders:

[http://grove.ufl.edu/~aquarius/highlander.html]

 

My question is: what happen if we all become an immortal. And that we

will never die. Perhaps I find this highlander movie more appealing

than the "GROUND HOG DAY" is that you don't go back to

the same situation all the time; You see in Ground hog day, he wakes

up at the same time all the time: 8 am. But in the highlander, he

moves on. Every encounter is different from the other. Because that

is how our live is all about. They are never the same.

 

"Well, I'll continue to ponder on this and if anything comes of

it, I'll share it.

 

Thank you Eric. I really appreciate it. I am sure others too are keen

to know learn more from your encounter.

[Guest guest]

In Conversation: The GROUND HOG DAY

 

Eric: "There is an American movie called GROUND HOG DAY that is

about

a character who relives the same day over and over again. In the

meantime he becomes a very accomplished pianist, he saves people

lives, make a great number of friends and wins over the love of his

life. Also, he became more aware of others and go beyond is own

selfishness. Perhaps in a very simple way this is the wheel of

karma. Well, I'll continue to ponder on this and if anything comes of

it, I'll share it.

"

 

Nora: In my opinion, his awareness came because he realizes the state

he is in. The first time he was confuse then when he realizes the

situation he is in and he tried to take advantage of that situation.

He knows if He were to jump in front of the train, he will not

get "killed" because he will still be awake the next time he

opens his eyes and his is still back to the same situation. The main

thing is that He is AWARE of his state, but does we all. I forgot

about the ending, did he break the cycle?

 

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Via the chat lines:

 

[Chat Friend] Yes I think he did when he got a perfect day. It is

possible for all of us to be aware. Every night before you sleep just

think of what you did

 

[Nora]: Aware if what?

 

[Chat Friend] The next day you will be more aware. Aware of the state

we are in. We can only reach that if we stop believing what we WANT

to believe and be brave enough to believe what is truth.

 

[Nora] What is that we want to believe in?

 

[Chat Friend] Then as we call our souls to account each night and

every time we eventually reduce mistakes the only difference is we,

unlike ground hog day have to face consequences. You have to be brave

and sincere. Not what we want to believe in.rather what is the truth

even if it goes against what we wished were true. We can eventually

achieve his perfect day.

 

[Nora] How can we do that?

 

[Chat Friend] Of not hurting anybody or betraying ourselves if we try

by doing what he did...thinking about how we treat

people...regretting actions and seeking to improve them. When he was

faced with the same situation he gave it a better but if we, like

him, learn and sincerely try to give a better shot in terms of being

sincere then we can have a perfect day like him! He wanted to believe

he was good better than anyone else.... no need to accommodate

anyone. Its dog eat dog world. He dared to realize this is not true.

In Groundhog Day the director created an ideal situation where he has

a second chance again and again. See reflection helps makes things

better.

 

[Nora] I am listening. Thank you for this. Can ask you're

permission

to use this for the group.

 

[Chat Friend] Sure...I just relate movies to what I feel...no

problems.

[Guest guest]

N -

 

The dialogue below was really great. Thank you for including it.

 

What I have become so very aware is how hard life is for EVERYONE and

that we spend a great deal of time beating upon one another or upon

ourselves for not succeeding the way we or the world thinks we ought.

I am acutely aware of this in speech of others and in the inner

thoughts of my mind how harsh things can be that I can only hope to

treat others with kindness (as best as I can) because of this

awareness. I fall short of the mark -- but each new day has new

possibilities for kinder thoughts for others and for myself.

 

The Ground Hog day started out as anything but perfect. However, as

he went along, he started to change and see things differently. Now I

can see that it was the perfect day. I'm going to think about how

each that I wake up as a new day and try to see the choices and see

truth.

 

Eric

 

 

, "N. Madasamy"

<ashwini_puralasamy> wrote:

> In Conversation: The GROUND HOG DAY

>

> Eric: "There is an American movie called GROUND HOG DAY that is

> about

> a character who relives the same day over and over again. In the

> meantime he becomes a very accomplished pianist, he saves people

> lives, make a great number of friends and wins over the love of his

> life. Also, he became more aware of others and go beyond is own

> selfishness. Perhaps in a very simple way this is the wheel of

> karma. Well, I'll continue to ponder on this and if anything comes

of

> it, I'll share it.

> "

>

> Nora: In my opinion, his awareness came because he realizes the

state

> he is in. The first time he was confuse then when he realizes the

> situation he is in and he tried to take advantage of that situation.

> He knows if He were to jump in front of the train, he will not

> get "killed" because he will still be awake the next time he

> opens his eyes and his is still back to the same situation. The main

> thing is that He is AWARE of his state, but does we all. I forgot

> about the ending, did he break the cycle?

>

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Via the chat lines:

>

> [Chat Friend] Yes I think he did when he got a perfect day. It is

> possible for all of us to be aware. Every night before you sleep

just

> think of what you did

>

> [Nora]: Aware if what?

>

> [Chat Friend] The next day you will be more aware. Aware of the

state

> we are in. We can only reach that if we stop believing what we WANT

> to believe and be brave enough to believe what is truth.

>

> [Nora] What is that we want to believe in?

>

> [Chat Friend] Then as we call our souls to account each night and

> every time we eventually reduce mistakes the only difference is we,

> unlike ground hog day have to face consequences. You have to be

brave

> and sincere. Not what we want to believe in.rather what is the truth

> even if it goes against what we wished were true. We can eventually

> achieve his perfect day.

>

> [Nora] How can we do that?

>

> [Chat Friend] Of not hurting anybody or betraying ourselves if we

try

> by doing what he did...thinking about how we treat

> people...regretting actions and seeking to improve them. When he was

> faced with the same situation he gave it a better but if we, like

> him, learn and sincerely try to give a better shot in terms of being

> sincere then we can have a perfect day like him! He wanted to

believe

> he was good better than anyone else.... no need to accommodate

> anyone. Its dog eat dog world. He dared to realize this is not true.

> In Groundhog Day the director created an ideal situation where he

has

> a second chance again and again. See reflection helps makes things

> better.

>

> [Nora] I am listening. Thank you for this. Can ask you're

> permission

> to use this for the group.

>

> [Chat Friend] Sure...I just relate movies to what I feel...no

> problems.