Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 I would like to write a bit about tantra. It's odd. The urge to promote peace within and without is what tantra is. The continuum of peacefulness is what tantra seeks and promotes. I think often about the 8 limbed yoga of Patanjali. People might say, that's yoga and not tantra, but that isn't the case. Patanjali was a Shivitte, and tantric. He merely codified yoga into a clear exposition. Clear? Well, he did try. Clarity is obscured by time, and language, and the mental state of the reader. But in the 8 limbs the first two yama and niyama set forth the rules to be followed by the aspiring yogi. And then again, these rules, the yamas and niyamas, or controls, and cessations, these ultimately are what it's all about. Yoga is inner knowledge and experience of reality, and yet, what it all comes down to is how does one exemplify these realizations? To make things simple and clear, to what degree does one exhibit love and compassion for all alike? This then is the touchstone of ones acheivement within the Great Path of Liberation. And I will tell you from experience that the finest practitioners of yoga I have ever met, they were the least judgemental and most responsive, caring people I ever knew. And so tantra. People get all worked up by which deity stands on whose head and says whch mantras. People freak out by hierarchy within schools of which deity is most inclusive. But these sorts of questions are not truely valid at all whatsoever. In each agama or nigama is a complete sadhana, whose purport has basically been forgotten. But each one has the same basic value and that is as a practice for the clarification of the body and mind so as to create shauca or purity, and to create contentment of being so as to facilitate the goal of compassion, love, and peacefulness, for oneself, for the devas, for society, so that we can realize heaven on earth right now. In fact, the sadhanas are ways to visualize the state of heaven which is our very own state in reality, so that we can work from that state of being. Now the amazing and compassionate creators and realizers of these tantras made various practices so as to facilitate the dawning of heaven for each of us. We all see things differently. A meat eater who is addicted to sex must come to be made pure in spite of their vasanas, or how can others live in peace with them? In the puzzle of this world everything has an exact fit. One must be able to clarify themselves and pass that on to each individual they meet. The tantras are extraordinary expositions on skillful means necessary to tame all people, including criminals and the ignorant. Imagine this. All the Devas are already here as plain as you and I, looking through our eyes, and experiencing through our senses. Just imagine how amazingly worldly they are as well as divine. What would change in you if you had a vision of your Devas inside your own flesh? Would you calm a bit from your endless running and would your desires calm a bit from their endless turmoil? Because if one understood that all things were already complete as objects of enjoyment, they were completely divine, and all the Devas already were in everything always then one wouldn't need ten more pairs of shoes, and a sexier mate. Because you already have the complete means of enjoyment, already, and will never have more regardless of what you presently think. This is the reality, and some people have extremely strong desires. They must be calmed according to their needs.Different tantras exist to support the peacefulness of various nervous systems. Some people need one ishta to promote peace of mind. Other need extensive mandalas of various order of devas to pacify their intellect. It is all about taming the mind and creating peace and contentment for all of life. The Devas, because they do exist within all things and have experienced all things through all time are mighty as divine, and they are worldly as well. Can you cuss like a sailor? They can cuss with more words in more languages than one could ever imagine. One shouldn't try to hide from the Devas because they cannot hide. Everything that you say, do, and think is already spontaneously noted from the get go. So give this a think. Thanks for reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 , Jose Rosa <master4114> wrote: > > I agree, they are many ways to the truth and the > Tantric teachings are filled the many ways and > interpretation. I even read that in Tantra anything > goes (maybe this might contested but hey! who are you > to contest this?). That anything goes in tantra isnt right. One need to be anything to contest this. With what authority do you say that anything goes in tantra? Tantric practices are based on what tantras teach. One might consider taking a good look at these tantric scriptures and tantric practices to know that "in tantra anything goes" is not true. Tantra isnt based on wishful thinking. Its tenets and basics can be found in a class of scriptures called Tantras or otherwise Agamas. Rgds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 LOL I guess the same questuion can be ask of you. what authority do you have? --- Satish Arigela <satisharigela wrote: > , Jose Rosa > <master4114> > wrote: > > > > I agree, they are many ways to the truth and the > > Tantric teachings are filled the many ways and > > interpretation. I even read that in Tantra > anything > > goes (maybe this might contested but hey! who are > you > > to contest this?). > > > That anything goes in tantra isnt right. One need > to be anything > to contest this. With what authority do you say that > anything goes > in tantra? Tantric practices are based on what > tantras teach. One > might consider taking a good look at these tantric > scriptures and > tantric practices to know that "in tantra anything > goes" is not true. > > Tantra isnt based on wishful thinking. Its tenets > and basics can be > found in a class of scriptures called Tantras or > otherwise Agamas. > > Rgds > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 , Jose Rosa <master4114> wrote: > LOL > > I guess the same questuion can be ask of you. > > what authority do you have? I dont have any authority which is why, I rely on tantric and vedic authority. They are not my words. I dont say follow them becoz they are to my personal liking. Rather I follow them becoz they are meant to be. Coming to the actual question: Anything goes in tantra? I asked with what authority you say this. I say the statement is not true based on an examination of tantras and also based on observation of tantrikas and conversation with tantrikas. Further: There are statements in tantras which say something close to what you said. It is only meant for Kaulikottamas.(Superior kaulas). Their minds are beyond our comprehension and trying to follow or imitate them will spell a sure disaster for anyone. Ex: Bama Khepa. (Vama Kshepa) Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 I am fining this to be interesting. I guess when I make a posting it has to be supported by either the Tantras, Vedas and all the scriptures of the world in order for me to have the authority (LOL). It sounds to me like someone is a having hard time accepting other's point of views, but I guess I will have to write my next posting with references (how tedious and a waste of time) in order for me to have the authority (here iit goes again the authority). --- Satish Arigela <satisharigela wrote: > , Jose Rosa > <master4114> > wrote: > > LOL > > > > I guess the same questuion can be ask of you. > > > > what authority do you have? > > I dont have any authority which is why, I rely on > tantric and vedic > authority. They are not my words. I dont say follow > them becoz they > are to my personal liking. Rather I follow them > becoz they are meant > to be. > Coming to the actual question: > Anything goes in tantra? > I asked with what authority you say this. > I say the statement is not true based on an > examination of tantras > and also based on observation of tantrikas and > conversation with > tantrikas. > Further: There are statements in tantras which say > something close > to what you said. It is only meant for > Kaulikottamas.(Superior > kaulas). Their minds are beyond our comprehension > and trying to > follow or imitate them will spell a sure disaster > for anyone. > Ex: Bama Khepa. (Vama Kshepa) > > Regards > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 Jose Rosa wrote :It sounds to me like someone is a having hard time accepting other's point of views, but I guess I will have to write my next posting with references (how tedious and a waste of time) in order for me to have the authority (here iit goes again the authority). LOL. That is why sometimes I like to use the term : This is what I think..... or it is my believe........ or in my opinion. Because sometimes its hard to really remember everything you read and from where. Some people are lucky, they have the library with all the tantras at their disposal, and some of us are not. Some may say, im talking nonsense, but where does these thought process comes if not the result of the previous readings. Dosent mean I cannot provide the actualy reference makes it unreliable. A reasonable person would say : hang on what you said is rather new to me, let me check from my resources. A very good friend told me once : at least you are thinking! LOL. But again, this is what the whole forum is all about. For us to come here and talk about it. Not everybody will agree to your statement, and there will always some who will find it hard accepting other's point of views". What to do !!!!!! This is what the world made of. Quote from Lao-Tsu "One who is too insistent on his own views, finds few to agree with him" Sooooooo Jose Rosa write man! write! write! what ever that comes to your mind. Why bother what other think!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2004 Report Share Posted May 20, 2004 > I guess when I make a posting it has to be supported > by either the Tantras, Vedas and all the scriptures of > the world in order for me to have the authority (LOL). You can have any oipinion in the world about anythng n the world. But for others to listen to your opinion on Tantras, it better be supported by the relevant scriptures and traditions. You heard the expression "opinions are like rear ends - everybody got one, but few want to look at somebody else's"? > It sounds to me like someone is a having hard time > accepting other's point of views Your view is just that - your view. Mildly interesting. Hardly a useful guidance - unless there's evidence that it is based on something trustworthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 , "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > Jose Rosa wrote : >It sounds to me like someone is a having hard time > accepting other's point of views, but I guess I will have to write >my > next posting with references (how tedious and a waste of time) in > order for me to have the authority (here iit goes again the > authority). It agree that it is a tedious process and takes up time. However I feel that it helps us validate what we learn. There is lot of info flying around, on various subjects and I feel it is always a good idea to put some effort into verifying whether what we pick up is legitimate or not. Another member already explained why many prefer refs. > > LOL. That is why sometimes I like to use the term : This is what I > think..... or it is my believe........ or in my opinion. Because > sometimes its hard to really remember everything you read and from > where. Some people are lucky, they have the library with all the > tantras at their disposal, and some of us are not. Some may say, im > talking nonsense, but where does these thought process comes if not > the result of the previous readings. Dosent mean I cannot provide the > actualy reference makes it unreliable. A reasonable person would > say : hang on what you said is rather new to me, let me check from my > resources. A very good friend told me once : at least you are > thinking! LOL. Above makes absolute sense. One will have hard time believing in what another person says *only* when the said material contains something contrary to what a couple of popular scriptures regarding the subject say. When I type something too, you will observe that sometimes, I just say "as some tantra says..blah blah..", because it is hard to remember where we get material from(as you pointed out). But if I say something new or contrary to what is common knowledge, the onus to provide refs for whatever I say will be on me, undoubtedly. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 I am not disputing what you said Satish, nor I disagree what Mouse posted earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 That is not so; speak from the heart. Jose Rosa <master4114 wrote: I am fining this to be interesting. I guess when I make a posting it has to be supported by either the Tantras, Vedas and all the scriptures of the world in order for me to have the authority (LOL). It sounds to me like someone is a having hard time accepting other's point of views, but I guess I will have to write my next posting with references (how tedious and a waste of time) in order for me to have the authority (here iit goes again the authority). --- Satish Arigela wrote: > , Jose Rosa > > wrote: > > LOL > > > > I guess the same questuion can be ask of you. > > > > what authority do you have? > > I dont have any authority which is why, I rely on > tantric and vedic > authority. They are not my words. I dont say follow > them becoz they > are to my personal liking. Rather I follow them > becoz they are meant > to be. > Coming to the actual question: > Anything goes in tantra? > I asked with what authority you say this. > I say the statement is not true based on an > examination of tantras > and also based on observation of tantrikas and > conversation with > tantrikas. > Further: There are statements in tantras which say > something close > to what you said. It is only meant for > Kaulikottamas.(Superior > kaulas). Their minds are beyond our comprehension > and trying to > follow or imitate them will spell a sure disaster > for anyone. > Ex: Bama Khepa. (Vama Kshepa) > > Regards > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Dear N. Madasamy: LOL Thank you so much for this posting. It was great it really made me laugh. Thank You God bless Jose --- "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: > Jose Rosa wrote :It sounds to me like someone is a > having hard time > accepting other's point of views, but I guess I will > have to write my > next posting with references (how tedious and a > waste of time) in > order for me to have the authority (here iit goes > again the > authority). > > LOL. That is why sometimes I like to use the term : > This is what I > think..... or it is my believe........ or in my > opinion. Because > sometimes its hard to really remember everything you > read and from > where. Some people are lucky, they have the library > with all the > tantras at their disposal, and some of us are not. > Some may say, im > talking nonsense, but where does these thought > process comes if not > the result of the previous readings. Dosent mean I > cannot provide the > actualy reference makes it unreliable. A reasonable > person would > say : hang on what you said is rather new to me, let > me check from my > resources. A very good friend told me once : at > least you are > thinking! LOL. > > But again, this is what the whole forum is all > about. For us to come > here and talk about it. Not everybody will agree to > your statement, > and there will always some who will find it hard > accepting other's > point of views". What to do !!!!!! This is what the > world made of. > > Quote from Lao-Tsu "One who is too insistent on his > own views, finds > few to agree with him" > > Sooooooo Jose Rosa write man! write! write! what > ever that comes to > your mind. Why bother what other think!. > > > > > Domains – Claim yours for only $14.70/year http://smallbusiness.promotions./offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2004 Report Share Posted May 21, 2004 Hello, I am a new member. I am very interested in know from whom i can take Diksha of One of the Dashamahavidyas.can anyone please guide me to a Guru. With the contact information. Thank you all. At HIS holy feet. Detective_Mongo_Phd <detective_mongo_phd wrote: I would like to write a bit about tantra. It's odd. The urge to promote peace within and without is what tantra is. The continuum of peacefulness is what tantra seeks and promotes. I think often about the 8 limbed yoga of Patanjali. People might say, that's yoga and not tantra, but that isn't the case. Patanjali was a Shivitte, and tantric. He merely codified yoga into a clear exposition. Clear? Well, he did try. Clarity is obscured by time, and language, and the mental state of the reader. But in the 8 limbs the first two yama and niyama set forth the rules to be followed by the aspiring yogi. And then again, these rules, the yamas and niyamas, or controls, and cessations, these ultimately are what it's all about. Yoga is inner knowledge and experience of reality, and yet, what it all comes down to is how does one exemplify these realizations? To make things simple and clear, to what degree does one exhibit love and compassion for all alike? This then is the touchstone of ones acheivement within the Great Path of Liberation. And I will tell you from experience that the finest practitioners of yoga I have ever met, they were the least judgemental and most responsive, caring people I ever knew. And so tantra. People get all worked up by which deity stands on whose head and says whch mantras. People freak out by hierarchy within schools of which deity is most inclusive. But these sorts of questions are not truely valid at all whatsoever. In each agama or nigama is a complete sadhana, whose purport has basically been forgotten. But each one has the same basic value and that is as a practice for the clarification of the body and mind so as to create shauca or purity, and to create contentment of being so as to facilitate the goal of compassion, love, and peacefulness, for oneself, for the devas, for society, so that we can realize heaven on earth right now. In fact, the sadhanas are ways to visualize the state of heaven which is our very own state in reality, so that we can work from that state of being. Now the amazing and compassionate creators and realizers of these tantras made various practices so as to facilitate the dawning of heaven for each of us. We all see things differently. A meat eater who is addicted to sex must come to be made pure in spite of their vasanas, or how can others live in peace with them? In the puzzle of this world everything has an exact fit. One must be able to clarify themselves and pass that on to each individual they meet. The tantras are extraordinary expositions on skillful means necessary to tame all people, including criminals and the ignorant. Imagine this. All the Devas are already here as plain as you and I, looking through our eyes, and experiencing through our senses. Just imagine how amazingly worldly they are as well as divine. What would change in you if you had a vision of your Devas inside your own flesh? Would you calm a bit from your endless running and would your desires calm a bit from their endless turmoil? Because if one understood that all things were already complete as objects of enjoyment, they were completely divine, and all the Devas already were in everything always then one wouldn't need ten more pairs of shoes, and a sexier mate. Because you already have the complete means of enjoyment, already, and will never have more regardless of what you presently think. This is the reality, and some people have extremely strong desires. They must be calmed according to their needs.Different tantras exist to support the peacefulness of various nervous systems. Some people need one ishta to promote peace of mind. Other need extensive mandalas of various order of devas to pacify their intellect. It is all about taming the mind and creating peace and contentment for all of life. The Devas, because they do exist within all things and have experienced all things through all time are mighty as divine, and they are worldly as well. Can you cuss like a sailor? They can cuss with more words in more languages than one could ever imagine. One shouldn't try to hide from the Devas because they cannot hide. Everything that you say, do, and think is already spontaneously noted from the get go. So give this a think. Thanks for reading. / Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70/year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2004 Report Share Posted May 22, 2004 Thanks Suresh. I would like to add some comments to yours, involving a newly discovered form of Tantra, more akin to Urine Therapy than to religion. I suppose most of you heard that imbibing one's urine while fasting, has proven quite efficacious in many cases. There are plenty of scriptural passages, relating to this hitherto unknown form of Tantra, so similar to Urine Therapy. They are listed at a , which I can post later if you like. Also there are several books in which you can find hundreds of case histories, involving this Naturopathic Therapy. Following is the caption from the home page of the Urine Tantra Salvation group. Being open-minded helps to comprehend this information. Urine Tantra is at the core of the scriptures of world religions. This fact is not known, because such teachings were secret in order to protect the writers and practitioners of Urine Tantra from persecution by those lacking in sufficient Reason, Honesty, or Compassion. Thus, the explicatives of Urine Tantra were almost invariably written in symbolical jargon or as allegories, in order to protect the wise from the ignorant. All religions believe in STo: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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