Guest guest Posted May 30, 2004 Report Share Posted May 30, 2004 , "Detective_Mongo_Phd" <detective_mongo_phd@h...> wrote: > Honestly, I study tantra, so I know one when I read it. I haven't >read that BG is a tantra. It's just obvious. What if I say it isnt a tantra but an actually an agama, and that too a Shaivagama, becoz it talks about Ishvara? (I am not alone here. Abhinavagupta is known to accord BG an agama status) By that question I mean to show that anybody can call anything as whatever they want and say it is obvious. >I don't think there's a website to give reference to, but I'm sure >there's got to be something at Motilil Banarsidas. I mean, where >else would Vaishnavas get their tantras from? So we should pity vaishnavas thinking they have no tantras and then accord BG the status of a vaishnava tantra? Vaishnavas have their own tantras. These Vishnu oriented tantras are present both in Shakta and Vaishanava traditions. Shakta tantras: Ex:1)Krishna Yamala. 2)May be Sammohana(I did not go thru this one- Might be wrong here) May be these too. Am guessing the following from name. Havent read them Vasudeva Rahasya, Dattatreya kalpa, Hanumatkalpa etc.. Vaishnava tantras:There are two classes Vaikhanasa Agama and Pancharatra. Pancharatra has 108 main texts and many other sub texts. Ex: Padma samhita, Jayakhya Samhita, Laxmi tantra, Narada pancharatra, Hayagriva pancharatra, Ahirbudhnya samhita etc. All above are vaishnava tantras and they are as good and as potent as Shakta/Shaiva tantras. They dont need us to brand BG a tantra(this is not to say that it doesnt have visualizations, meditation techniques etc.). >Neither Vishnu, >Rama, Krishna, or any other form of Vishnu is >mentioned in the 4 Vedas. Of course Narasimha has a few >Upanishads. Saying Vishnu is not mentioned in Vedas is same as saying Shakti is never mentioned in tantras. Rama, Krishna have their own upanishads FYI. Ramatapini, Ramarahasya, Krishna upanishads. >So we have to see Vaishnava tantra as coming from the itihasa. Please see above. >This person would know - >Jagadguru Swami Sathyananda Saraswathy Know what? Jagadguru ? Lol. Ask Arjuna Taradasa. Regards sa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2004 Report Share Posted May 31, 2004 Well, thanks for the rebuttal. I hope you feel better knowing what you know. Take Care. - Satish Arigela Sunday, May 30, 2004 11:55 AM Re: BG - Vaishnava tantras , "Detective_Mongo_Phd" <detective_mongo_phd@h...> wrote: > Honestly, I study tantra, so I know one when I read it. I haven't >read that BG is a tantra. It's just obvious. What if I say it isnt a tantra but an actually an agama, and that too a Shaivagama, becoz it talks about Ishvara? (I am not alone here. Abhinavagupta is known to accord BG an agama status) By that question I mean to show that anybody can call anything as whatever they want and say it is obvious. >I don't think there's a website to give reference to, but I'm sure >there's got to be something at Motilil Banarsidas. I mean, where >else would Vaishnavas get their tantras from? So we should pity vaishnavas thinking they have no tantras and then accord BG the status of a vaishnava tantra? Vaishnavas have their own tantras. These Vishnu oriented tantras are present both in Shakta and Vaishanava traditions. Shakta tantras: Ex:1)Krishna Yamala. 2)May be Sammohana(I did not go thru this one- Might be wrong here) May be these too. Am guessing the following from name. Havent read them Vasudeva Rahasya, Dattatreya kalpa, Hanumatkalpa etc.. Vaishnava tantras:There are two classes Vaikhanasa Agama and Pancharatra. Pancharatra has 108 main texts and many other sub texts. Ex: Padma samhita, Jayakhya Samhita, Laxmi tantra, Narada pancharatra, Hayagriva pancharatra, Ahirbudhnya samhita etc. All above are vaishnava tantras and they are as good and as potent as Shakta/Shaiva tantras. They dont need us to brand BG a tantra(this is not to say that it doesnt have visualizations, meditation techniques etc.). >Neither Vishnu, >Rama, Krishna, or any other form of Vishnu is >mentioned in the 4 Vedas. Of course Narasimha has a few >Upanishads. Saying Vishnu is not mentioned in Vedas is same as saying Shakti is never mentioned in tantras. Rama, Krishna have their own upanishads FYI. Ramatapini, Ramarahasya, Krishna upanishads. >So we have to see Vaishnava tantra as coming from the itihasa. Please see above. >This person would know - >Jagadguru Swami Sathyananda Saraswathy Know what? Jagadguru ? Lol. Ask Arjuna Taradasa. Regards sa. / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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