Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 On Wed, 16 Jun 2004 12:13:42 -0500 "Detective_Mongo_Phd" <detective_mongo_phd writes: > > ------I don't know how many here are tantric initiates, but I > actually am. I have been initiated into the highest Buddhist tantric > lineages including the Nyingthig Yabshi, Guhyagarbha, Kalachakra, > and others. I can claim actual lineage. But Buddhist Tantra is in some ways very different than Hindu Tantra. I went to a lecture by a Tibetan lama, who was asked about <panchamakara>, and he said, "Buddhist Tantra is more mental. We don't mess around with the same things Hindu Tantricists do." > > What is Tantra is very clear. > A set of techniques and processes which help its adherents realise > Brahman/Shiva/Shakti. To extend this a little bit, it is also a tool > > used to attain siddhis. > > > ------------What isn't clear here? I am a Buddhist tantric. For > me, tantra is about union of bliss and emptiness. I do not worship > Shiva/Shakti/Brahman/sidhis. Obviously Hindu Narasimha tantras are > not about Shiva. Excuse me, but I am under the impression that Vaishnava tradition has little or no Tantric influence. Even with Radha and Krishna (very erotic Deities), their relationship is not portrayed as Tantric. One giveaway is, Tantric deities are always at some point portrayed with the Third Eye. No Third Eye ever appears on Krishna or Radha, and Vishnu and Lakshmi are shown as masters of producing Maya/Illusion. Shiva and Kali (with Third Eyes) can see beyond Maya. Are there Vaishnavas on this list who can clear this up? > -------------Tantra divorced from life and its nitty gritty > circumstances is pie in the sky, horned rabbits, children of barren > women, and knots of air. Nothing can be divorced from life. There is > no section of life that's corditioned off and labeled sacred. That > IS what tantra is about. > Or, on the other hand, you could argue that Tantra proposes that EVERYTHING is sacred. Nothing can be set aside as profane. -- Len/ Kalipadma ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2004 Report Share Posted June 16, 2004 Or, on the other hand, you could argue that Tantra proposes that EVERYTHING is sacred. Nothing can be set aside as profane. -- Len/ Kalipadma -------The methods of tantra are for just this, to prove beyond conceptualization that everything is divine. There is no other definition of tantra than this. No other definition need be put forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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