Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 Mary: I read this posting. I was trying to figure out what you meant by the following: > I cannot know what it feels like to be from the East and to > experience the superimposition of Western concepts onto > Eastern ones in ways that distort and disregard what is true for > those in the East. I hope I have not offended anyone with my > comments. Especially by your statement "the superimposition of Western concepts." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 Jose, That phrase came from Kochu (sankara menon) in an earlier post to me. I think he felt that my considering the sword, the mention of coitus, and the phrase "lord of the Cosmos" in the Khadgamala Stotram as typical patriarchal power imagery (meaning male-dominant) was superimposing Western ideas onto Eastern ones. So, I was acknowledging that, being from the West, I cannot know what it would feel like if I was from the East and felt that my sacred imagery was being misconstrued. From some feedback I got to my comments, I know they were found offensive by some. I was (and am) trying to be respectful of others' views, while at the same time, acknowledging that my understanding of those symbols - that weapon, the use of that act, and that phrase - remains the same. Mary Ann , "Jose Enrique Rosa" <master4114> wrote: > Mary: > > I read this posting. I was trying to figure out what you meant by > the following: > > > I cannot know what it feels like to be from the East and to > > experience the superimposition of Western concepts onto > > Eastern ones in ways that distort and disregard what is true for > > those in the East. I hope I have not offended anyone with my > > comments. > > Especially by your statement "the superimposition of Western > concepts." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 One further note: I also feel that such patriarchal power imagery is universal, and that I did not superimpose Western views on Eastern symbology. I think those particular images in the KS contain a male-dominant view or point of reference. , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > Jose, > > That phrase came from Kochu (sankara menon) in an earlier > post to me. I think he felt that my considering the sword, the > mention of coitus, and the phrase "lord of the Cosmos" in the > Khadgamala Stotram as typical patriarchal power imagery > (meaning male-dominant) was superimposing Western ideas > onto Eastern ones. So, I was acknowledging that, being from the > West, I cannot know what it would feel like if I was from the East > and felt that my sacred imagery was being misconstrued. From > some feedback I got to my comments, I know they were found > offensive by some. > > I was (and am) trying to be respectful of others' views, while at > the same time, acknowledging that my understanding of those > symbols - that weapon, the use of that act, and that phrase - > remains the same. > > Mary Ann > > > > , "Jose Enrique Rosa" > <master4114> wrote: > > Mary: > > > > I read this posting. I was trying to figure out what you meant by > > the following: > > > > > I cannot know what it feels like to be from the East and to > > > experience the superimposition of Western concepts onto > > > Eastern ones in ways that distort and disregard what is true > for > > > those in the East. I hope I have not offended anyone with my > > > comments. > > > > Especially by your statement "the superimposition of Western > > concepts." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 I guess the image of Shiva's Linga is not a male dominant image. , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> wrote: > One further note: I also feel that such patriarchal power imagery > is universal, and that I did not superimpose Western views on > Eastern symbology. I think those particular images in the KS > contain a male-dominant view or point of reference. > > , "Mary Ann" > <maryann@m...> wrote: > > Jose, > > > > That phrase came from Kochu (sankara menon) in an earlier > > post to me. I think he felt that my considering the sword, the > > mention of coitus, and the phrase "lord of the Cosmos" in the > > Khadgamala Stotram as typical patriarchal power imagery > > (meaning male-dominant) was superimposing Western ideas > > onto Eastern ones. So, I was acknowledging that, being from > the > > West, I cannot know what it would feel like if I was from the > East > > and felt that my sacred imagery was being misconstrued. > From > > some feedback I got to my comments, I know they were found > > offensive by some. > > > > I was (and am) trying to be respectful of others' views, while at > > the same time, acknowledging that my understanding of those > > symbols - that weapon, the use of that act, and that phrase - > > remains the same. > > > > Mary Ann > > > > > > > > , "Jose Enrique > Rosa" > > <master4114> wrote: > > > Mary: > > > > > > I read this posting. I was trying to figure out what you meant > by > > > the following: > > > > > > > I cannot know what it feels like to be from the East and to > > > > experience the superimposition of Western concepts onto > > > > Eastern ones in ways that distort and disregard what is > true > > for > > > > those in the East. I hope I have not offended anyone with > my > > > > comments. > > > > > > Especially by your statement "the superimposition of > Western > > > concepts." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2004 Report Share Posted June 20, 2004 The newer versions of the Shiva Lingam are of an egg. The earlier versions were of a penis with foreskin, someone in this message group told me. So, I think I would agree with your statement, if you are referring to the egg. However, I have seen the egg lingam in a cradle that is the yoni. Why not just an egg that is considered both Shiva and Shakti? And if they must have an inward and outer curve to represent genitalia, then an egg on one side, concave on the other. Can one object, not two, contain the representation of Shiva and Shakti? (This reminds me of the riddle: what is the sound of one hand clapping?) , "Jose Enrique Rosa" <master4114> wrote: > I guess the image of Shiva's Linga is not a male dominant image. > > > > > , "Mary Ann" <maryann@m...> > wrote: > > One further note: I also feel that such patriarchal power imagery > > is universal, and that I did not superimpose Western views on > > Eastern symbology. I think those particular images in the KS > > contain a male-dominant view or point of reference. > > > > , "Mary Ann" > > <maryann@m...> wrote: > > > Jose, > > > > > > That phrase came from Kochu (sankara menon) in an earlier > > > post to me. I think he felt that my considering the sword, the > > > mention of coitus, and the phrase "lord of the Cosmos" in the > > > Khadgamala Stotram as typical patriarchal power imagery > > > (meaning male-dominant) was superimposing Western ideas > > > onto Eastern ones. So, I was acknowledging that, being from > > the > > > West, I cannot know what it would feel like if I was from the > > East > > > and felt that my sacred imagery was being misconstrued. > > From > > > some feedback I got to my comments, I know they were found > > > offensive by some. > > > > > > I was (and am) trying to be respectful of others' views, while > at > > > the same time, acknowledging that my understanding of those > > > symbols - that weapon, the use of that act, and that phrase - > > > remains the same. > > > > > > Mary Ann > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Jose Enrique > > Rosa" > > > <master4114> wrote: > > > > Mary: > > > > > > > > I read this posting. I was trying to figure out what you meant > > by > > > > the following: > > > > > > > > > I cannot know what it feels like to be from the East and to > > > > > experience the superimposition of Western concepts onto > > > > > Eastern ones in ways that distort and disregard what is > > true > > > for > > > > > those in the East. I hope I have not offended anyone with > > my > > > > > comments. > > > > > > > > Especially by your statement "the superimposition of > > Western > > > > concepts." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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