Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > The source of Khadgamala is Lalitopakhyana, which is part of > Brahmanda Purana. > It is popular among many SriVidya upasakas, belonging to many(or > maybe all? - not sure) lineages. The Lalitopakhyana version that I referred to, has the Khadgamala but it isnt actually part of Lalitopakhyana. The correct source seems to be the Lalita-Parishishta Tantra according to the Dimdima bhasya on Saundaryalahari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Oh, ok, I thought I read somewhere that Sri Amritananda cognized it in a vision. Thanks for the sources. - Satish Arigela Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:54 AM Re: Khadgamala Source - Correction , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > The source of Khadgamala is Lalitopakhyana, which is part of > Brahmanda Purana. > It is popular among many SriVidya upasakas, belonging to many(or > maybe all? - not sure) lineages. The Lalitopakhyana version that I referred to, has the Khadgamala but it isnt actually part of Lalitopakhyana. The correct source seems to be the Lalita-Parishishta Tantra according to the Dimdima bhasya on Saundaryalahari. / b.. c.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Hey Joe ... I replied to this awhile ago but my post never appeared. So if it shows up later, please forgive me for repeating myself. ;-) I think what you have in mind is the fact that Guruji was the first to establish the forms of the Khadgamala Devis. You see, there are no dhyanas for these devis, and no established sculptural tradition. Guruji's contribution to this very old tradition, then, was to discover and the Devi forms through direct meditative experience and then to give them to the world. Aum Maatangyai Namahe , "Detective_Mongo_Phd" <detective_mongo_phd@h...> wrote: > Oh, ok, I thought I read somewhere that Sri Amritananda cognized it in a vision. Thanks for the sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 , "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote: > I think what you have in mind is the fact that Guruji was the >first > to establish the forms of the Khadgamala Devis. You see, there are > no dhyanas for these devis, and no established sculptural tradition. That is not entirely true. The forms of some of the devatas in Khadgamala, like the 15 nityas are elaborated in many other tantras along with mantras, dhyanas, puja padhdhati-s, prayogas etc. Similarly the forms of Vagdevatas starting with Vasini were described elsewhere too. Likewise those of Ananga kusuma, Ananga mekhala and other devatas... I vaguely remember reading somewhere(a few yrs back) the dhyanas of other Khadgamala devatas (like Tripura malini, Tripura Shri, Tripura Siddha and others)if not all dhyanas of Khadgamala devatas. sa. > Guruji's contribution to this very old tradition, then, was to > discover and the Devi forms through direct meditative experience and > then to give them to the world. > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe > > , "Detective_Mongo_Phd" > <detective_mongo_phd@h...> wrote: > > Oh, ok, I thought I read somewhere that Sri Amritananda cognized > it in a vision. Thanks for the sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 yes I think there are dhyanas for all the Devis. But they are not easy to come by. It is not common also. So Amritanandaji's visual representations are, I think the first of that type. There maybe small icons here and there. But a complete set. But i am told others are also attempting it. Satish Arigela <satisharigela wrote: --- In , "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote: > I think what you have in mind is the fact that Guruji was the >first > to establish the forms of the Khadgamala Devis. You see, there are > no dhyanas for these devis, and no established sculptural tradition. That is not entirely true. The forms of some of the devatas in Khadgamala, like the 15 nityas are elaborated in many other tantras along with mantras, dhyanas, puja padhdhati-s, prayogas etc. Similarly the forms of Vagdevatas starting with Vasini were described elsewhere too. Likewise those of Ananga kusuma, Ananga mekhala and other devatas... I vaguely remember reading somewhere(a few yrs back) the dhyanas of other Khadgamala devatas (like Tripura malini, Tripura Shri, Tripura Siddha and others)if not all dhyanas of Khadgamala devatas. sa. > Guruji's contribution to this very old tradition, then, was to > discover and the Devi forms through direct meditative experience and > then to give them to the world. > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe > > , "Detective_Mongo_Phd" > <detective_mongo_phd@h...> wrote: > > Oh, ok, I thought I read somewhere that Sri Amritananda cognized > it in a vision. Thanks for the sources. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Hi Satish: Yes, you're right. I would add, of course, the Saptamatrka, on whom we're currently focused. I stand corrected. However, I would clarify that each of the sculptures at Devipuram -- i.e. the ones we've been featuring as our Group photo -- are based on Sri Amritananda's own meditative vision, not on previously recorded dhyanas. Sometimes his vision corresponds to established images; but often there are significant differences, as if these devis take on a slightly different quality for their Khadgamala roles. In any event Guruji encourages those reciting the Khadgamala to use their own powers of visualization to make the stotram spring to life. "How should you practice Khadgamala?" he writes. "As you are reciting each name, a portion of Sri Chakra should spring up in your imagination. The power comes from intensifying concentration to visualize the form, hear the sound, feel the touch, taste, and smell of the divine perfume of the goddess manifesting that part of the ever youthful Goddess." Regarding the role of his received images, Guruji is rather modest: "You can sit in front of each of the sculptures in Devipuram to get training into such visualizations," he says. DB , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > , "Devi Bhakta" > <devi_bhakta> wrote: > > I think what you have in mind is the fact that Guruji was the > >first > > to establish the forms of the Khadgamala Devis. You see, there are > > no dhyanas for these devis, and no established sculptural > tradition. > > That is not entirely true. The forms of some of the devatas in > Khadgamala, like the 15 nityas are elaborated in many other tantras > along with mantras, dhyanas, puja padhdhati-s, prayogas etc. > > Similarly the forms of Vagdevatas starting with Vasini were > described elsewhere too. Likewise those of Ananga kusuma, Ananga > mekhala and other devatas... > > I vaguely remember reading somewhere(a few yrs back) the dhyanas of > other Khadgamala devatas (like Tripura malini, Tripura Shri, Tripura > Siddha and others)if not all dhyanas of Khadgamala devatas. > > sa. > > > Guruji's contribution to this very old tradition, then, was to > > discover and the Devi forms through direct meditative experience > and > > then to give them to the world. > > > > Aum Maatangyai Namahe > > > > , "Detective_Mongo_Phd" > > <detective_mongo_phd@h...> wrote: > > > Oh, ok, I thought I read somewhere that Sri Amritananda cognized > > it in a vision. Thanks for the sources. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Namaste Satish, Thank you and can you share where I can get this Lalita-Parishishta Tantra . Jai Maa!! Satish Arigela <satisharigela wrote: , "Satish Arigela" <satisharigela> wrote: > The source of Khadgamala is Lalitopakhyana, which is part of > Brahmanda Purana. > It is popular among many SriVidya upasakas, belonging to many(or > maybe all? - not sure) lineages. The Lalitopakhyana version that I referred to, has the Khadgamala but it isnt actually part of Lalitopakhyana. The correct source seems to be the Lalita-Parishishta Tantra according to the Dimdima bhasya on Saundaryalahari. / New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 , kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > Namaste Satish, > > Thank you and can you share where I can get this Lalita- Parishishta Tantra . Namaste, I dont think it is ever published. If some one has any info on this please let me know. It is quoted in a bhasya on Saundaryalahari, which is where there is mention of it being the source of khadgamala. > > Jai Maa!! > > Satish Arigela <satisharigela> wrote: > , "Satish Arigela" > <satisharigela> wrote: > > The source of Khadgamala is Lalitopakhyana, which is part of > > Brahmanda Purana. > > It is popular among many SriVidya upasakas, belonging to many(or > > maybe all? - not sure) lineages. > > The Lalitopakhyana version that I referred to, has the Khadgamala > but it isnt actually part of Lalitopakhyana. > > The correct source seems to be the Lalita-Parishishta Tantra > according to the Dimdima bhasya on Saundaryalahari. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Namaste Satish, Thank you for your further clarification , I understand better now . May I know where can I obtain Dimdima Bhasya of Saundaryalahari then ? Jai Maa!! Satish Arigela <satisharigela wrote: , kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002> wrote: > Namaste Satish, > > Thank you and can you share where I can get this Lalita- Parishishta Tantra . Namaste, I dont think it is ever published. If some one has any info on this please let me know. It is quoted in a bhasya on Saundaryalahari, which is where there is mention of it being the source of khadgamala. > > Jai Maa!! > > Satish Arigela <satisharigela> wrote: > , "Satish Arigela" > <satisharigela> wrote: > > The source of Khadgamala is Lalitopakhyana, which is part of > > Brahmanda Purana. > > It is popular among many SriVidya upasakas, belonging to many(or > > maybe all? - not sure) lineages. > > The Lalitopakhyana version that I referred to, has the Khadgamala > but it isnt actually part of Lalitopakhyana. > > The correct source seems to be the Lalita-Parishishta Tantra > according to the Dimdima bhasya on Saundaryalahari. / New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 I also do not think all the idols were in one place in proper places before.Dhyanas do exist. But why should we analyse sources when the sources themselves are not available? Lets just enoy the fruits. Too much intellectualisation will dessipate energy with commensurate gain. Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: What you may be thinking of is the fact that the Khadgamala Devis had never been described physically before Amritananada did so -- there are no dhyanas describing them, for example, and no sculptural tradition of depicting them in temples, etc. Amrita's contribution was to discover their forms by firsthand experience and then share them with the world. Aum Maatangyai Namahe , "Detective_Mongo_Phd" <detective_mongo_phd@h...> wrote: > Oh, ok, I thought I read somewhere that Sri Amritananda cognized it in a vision. Thanks for the sources. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Thank you Devi Bhakta and Sri Sankara Menon for clarifying. I think I heard about others trying to attempt this too. For further info on various Khadgamala deities and their forms, the following which I received from Sri Harsha RamaMurthy may be of interest. Sri Harsha: --------------------------- i was told that on shakti sadhana some one remarked that dhyanas are not available for Navavarana deities they are very much available in Pooja kalpas, Rudrayamala, Lalita tantra and scores of other works Saubhagya ratnakara gives them too details of all navavvarana devatas are available their complexion, vahana, clothes, jewels, mudras ...everything has been detailed you may also find khadgamala uddara in prapanchasara samgraha (they follow vishnu yamala there i guess), vamakeshwara tantra, rudrayamala's rajarajeshwari parishishtha (some claim this to be lalita parishishtha, but thats not true....lalita parishishta is totally a different work, probably an appendix of Rudrayamala or Vamkeshwara), tripurarnava, sundari sarvasva, and also in some of the bahurupashtaka groups.... ----------------------------- sa. , "Devi Bhakta" <devi_bhakta> wrote: > Hi Satish: > > Yes, you're right. I would add, of course, the Saptamatrka, on whom > we're currently focused. I stand corrected. > > However, I would clarify that each of the sculptures at Devipuram - - > i.e. the ones we've been featuring as our Group photo -- are based > on Sri Amritananda's own meditative vision, not on previously > recorded dhyanas. Sometimes his vision corresponds to established > images; but often there are significant differences, as if these > devis take on a slightly different quality for their Khadgamala > roles. > > In any event Guruji encourages those reciting the Khadgamala to use > their own powers of visualization to make the stotram spring to life. > > "How should you practice Khadgamala?" he writes. "As you are > reciting each name, a portion of Sri Chakra should spring up in your > imagination. The power comes from intensifying concentration to > visualize the form, hear the sound, feel the touch, taste, and smell > of the divine perfume of the goddess manifesting that part of the > ever youthful Goddess." > > Regarding the role of his received images, Guruji is rather > modest: "You can sit in front of each of the sculptures in Devipuram > to get training into such visualizations," he says. > > DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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