Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 I was going through all Ms Alexandra's messages and this caught my attention. alexandra_108 wrote "Why do Shiva and Parvati have only sons (Skanda + Ganesha), but no daughters?" It is my believe that Religion does not operate in a vaccum. To understand the evolution of Religions and Religious Thoughts, one need to understand first the social, political and economic factors that influence Religion. If you want to change Religious thinking, you need to address all these issues first, otherwise no matter what you do, you can argue till the cow comes home, nothing will change. You can stand and shout " This is patriachal! That is Patriachal!" I doubt it will have any effect. I personally would say : you my dear friend dont know what you are talking about. I remember once posted an article entittled : Blackie The Rascal Cat likes to play chess. Quite interesting though that several members responded on the message board and off list personally to me giving their own version [ symbolism ] of the message. I realise that those who are obsess with gender issues talk about the gender conflict issues, those political ones too give their version and several others too. Each with their own interpretation. I read them all with amusement, because when I posted those, I have no intention but to tell a story about a girl who uses the id of Blackie The Rascal Cat, who like to go to the chess room and play chess. That is all. This to me is a classical example or rather an experiement I would say to show that once people are stuck with an issue and unable to see beyond it, they remain stuck. No matter what you say, they will continue to argue the same issue over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 <raises hand> ooh! ooh! I have a question!!!! In the family of Shiva, Parvati, Skanda, Ganesha where does Ma Manasha fit in??? In Bengal I noticed that she was mostly revered by village folk who have to deal with the threat of snakes on a regular basis. BUT, I do recall reading somewhere that for some she is considered a daughter of Shiva. Question is how seriously should the idea of daughter be taken in that case, because I also noticed during Durga Puja Lakshmi and Saraswati are often refered to as daughters of Durga! --a message dated 7/9/2004 3:15:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ashwini_puralasamy writes: > I was going through all Ms Alexandra's messages and this caught my > attention. > > alexandra_108 wrote "Why do Shiva and Parvati have only sons (Skanda + > Ganesha), but no daughters?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP! "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy wrote: I was going through all Ms Alexandra's messages and this caught my attention. alexandra_108 wrote "Why do Shiva and Parvati have only sons (Skanda + Ganesha), but no daughters?" It is my believe that Religion does not operate in a vaccum. To understand the evolution of Religions and Religious Thoughts, one need to understand first the social, political and economic factors that influence Religion. If you want to change Religious thinking, you need to address all these issues first, otherwise no matter what you do, you can argue till the cow comes home, nothing will change. You can stand and shout " This is patriachal! That is Patriachal!" I doubt it will have any effect. I personally would say : you my dear friend dont know what you are talking about. I remember once posted an article entittled : Blackie The Rascal Cat likes to play chess. Quite interesting though that several members responded on the message board and off list personally to me giving their own version [ symbolism ] of the message. I realise that those who are obsess with gender issues talk about the gender conflict issues, those political ones too give their version and several others too. Each with their own interpretation. I read them all with amusement, because when I posted those, I have no intention but to tell a story about a girl who uses the id of Blackie The Rascal Cat, who like to go to the chess room and play chess. That is all. This to me is a classical example or rather an experiement I would say to show that once people are stuck with an issue and unable to see beyond it, they remain stuck. No matter what you say, they will continue to argue the same issue over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Coming from Orissa myself and having studied about these things I would say that when Ma Durga is all in all, as in Bengal and Orissa and prayed to during Navaratri as the chief diety, then Saraswati and Laxmi are shown affectionately as her daughters as she is the Mighty Devi and Mahisasuramardini. I am surprised people ask these questions specially people who have studied Devi Mahatmyam etc and are familiar with all the stories about Devi. When one is dealing with a principal diety then that diety is always held to be the highest or as a father or mother who disciplines loves etc to generate devotion in the heart. Reading Puranas and trying to make sense out of that is like getting lost in the jungles of Religion. When one reads with devotion slowly the Shastras will have grace and the real meaning will dawn in our hearts. So read with devotion about Devi Ma. Love Ashoka , swastik108@a... wrote: > <raises hand> ooh! ooh! I have a question!!!! > > In the family of Shiva, Parvati, Skanda, Ganesha where does Ma Manasha fit > in??? In Bengal I noticed that she was mostly revered by village folk who have > to deal with the threat of snakes on a regular basis. > > BUT, I do recall reading somewhere that for some she is considered a daughter > of Shiva. Question is how seriously should the idea of daughter be taken in > that case, because I also noticed during Durga Puja Lakshmi and Saraswati are > often refered to as daughters of Durga! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2004 Report Share Posted July 9, 2004 Hi Nora: Thanks for sharing this message. I did not know your thoughts on the connections between politics, society and religion, or that you advocated activitiy to change things in these areas. About your stories: It's true that we often view the world through our own particular screen or filters. When artists create and people view the art, of course people bring their own interpretations to what they see. It can also be a matter of what issues are present in the culture. Often, artists channel the unconscious, so they may not even recognize all of what is present in their own work. Mary Ann , "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > I was going through all Ms Alexandra's messages and this caught my > attention. > > alexandra_108 wrote "Why do Shiva and Parvati have only sons (Skanda + > Ganesha), but no daughters?" > > It is my believe that Religion does not operate in a vaccum. To > understand the evolution of Religions and Religious Thoughts, one > need to understand first the social, political and economic factors > that influence Religion. If you want to change Religious thinking, > you need to address all these issues first, otherwise no matter what > you do, you can argue till the cow comes home, nothing will change. > You can stand and shout " This is patriachal! That is Patriachal!" I > doubt it will have any effect. I personally would say : you my dear > friend dont know what you are talking about. > > I remember once posted an article entittled : Blackie The Rascal Cat > likes to play chess. Quite interesting though that several members > responded on the message board and off list personally to me giving > their own version [ symbolism ] of the message. I realise that those > who are obsess with gender issues talk about the gender conflict > issues, those political ones too give their version and several > others too. Each with their own interpretation. I read them all with > amusement, because when I posted those, I have no intention but to > tell a story about a girl who uses the id of Blackie The Rascal Cat, > who like to go to the chess room and play chess. That is all. This to > me is a classical example or rather an experiement I would say to > show that once people are stuck with an issue and unable to see > beyond it, they remain stuck. No matter what you say, they will > continue to argue the same issue over and over again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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