Hallucinogens/Drugs

July 16, 2004

In a message dated 7/16/2004 1:59:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

detective_mongo_phd writes:

> wonder, if anywhere in tantra drugs are accepted as a gateway into the

> divine. And if not, then I wonder if drugs are really as sinful as many make

them

> sound.

>

Most of the tantriks I saw in Bengal consumed alcohol and many also Ganja...

The alcohol is not consumed in large quantities and is used ritualistically.

Some use Ganja, some don't.

the general association is this: Shiva is cool, calm, peaceful, meditating on

high mountains etc. Ganja is often referred to as Shiva Prasad

Kali is fierce, fiery, aggresive etc. Kali is associated with alcohol which

is thus referred to as Kali Prasad.

Now, for ritual use, meditation etc. these substances may be used. Most

people however cannot handle them on their own and turn towards frequent

intoxication......it's easy to do if your mind isn't ready for it.

It's like using sex for spiritual purposes, there are methods and techniques

for that, but the average person will run wild with it and mess up their

spiritual progress, so it's never recommended to beginners.

Although I must also add many devotees frequently smoke Ganja just to get

close to Shiva.

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July 16, 2004

When I was fifteen, I was a punk rocker in Hollywood. I remember one night when

Raymond San Pedro, Bob Bonehead and I all tripped on a few tabs of windowpane

LSD. We laughed all night until our faces hurt, and Raymond drove us all to

Redondo beach early in the morning. We ended up on the boardwalk at about 5am

when the sun had just begun to rise. There was Beach Boys hour on the radio. And

listening to the Beach Boys at sunrise on the beach was just so beautiful that I

went up to the water line and threw my boots with the chains on them into the

ocean as an offering to the Gods. I felt at that moment like a Divine Goddess

was rising with the sun, and that I was making an offering to her and the beauty

of the universe. This was the first time I intuited that a beautiful Goddess

Creatrix was behind life.

I wonder, if anywhere in tantra drugs are accepted as a gateway into the divine.

And if not, then I wonder if drugs are really as sinful as many make them sound.

July 16, 2004

Namaste Rudrajoe,

I don't have anything to add about drugs and tantra.

I'll leave that to our experts, but I will say that your post was

hilarious. I am laughing myself silly imagining you at sunrise with

the beach boys going etc...

~se101

, "Detective_Mongo_Phd"

<detective_mongo_phd@h...> wrote:

> When I was fifteen, I was a punk rocker in Hollywood. I remember

one night when Raymond San Pedro, Bob Bonehead and I all tripped on a

few tabs of windowpane LSD. We laughed all night until our faces

hurt, and Raymond drove us all to Redondo beach early in the morning.

We ended up on the boardwalk at about 5am when the sun had just begun

to rise. There was Beach Boys hour on the radio. And listening to the

Beach Boys at sunrise on the beach was just so beautiful that I went

up to the water line and threw my boots with the chains on them into

the ocean as an offering to the Gods. I felt at that moment like a

Divine Goddess was rising with the sun, and that I was making an

offering to her and the beauty of the universe. This was the first

time I intuited that a beautiful Goddess Creatrix was behind life.

>

> I wonder, if anywhere in tantra drugs are accepted as a gateway

into the divine. And if not, then I wonder if drugs are really as

sinful as many make them sound.

>

July 16, 2004

Imagine me,a punk rocker wearing bondage pants, combat boots, dayglow sweater

with Sid Viscious hair, listening to the Beach Boys at sunrise at the beach.

That's more hilarious. You're right. What my appearance belied was the state of

feeling of divine graceand extacy which I was under.

sunelectric101

Friday, July 16, 2004 1:44 PM

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