Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Some one asked for explanation of karma yesterday. well, I am not learned enough, but I anyway found myself thinking on that, and came up with this theory (which to me sounds very logical). Anyway, do read it and see if it helps you any, else disregard it like poison! (paraphrasing Swami Vivekananda's quote) Karma is the 'law of cause and effect' in application. There is strict accounting done here. It is extremely mathematical in nature; no escaping the math of the process for anyone, BUT there are (accounted-for) escape routes. Take the case of business accounting. Each transaction has to be properly accounted for. Eventually, each transaction should roll-up to a higher-level business process bucket. Then, all the business process buckets should be classified as Income, or Expenditure (includes, but not limited to, good-will and Waivers). These business process / categories must be reported on a balance sheet EVERY YEAR, and there must be a MATCH, dollar-to-dollar, cent- to-cent. All monies must be accounted for. At the end of this all, will come what is closed as CLOSING BALANCE, which becomes the OPENING BALANCE for the NEXT YEAR. Analogy of the above example to Karma: Each action has to be properly accounted for. Eventually, each action should roll-up to a higher-level bucket. Then, all the buckets should be classified as Bad Karma, Good Karma (includes but not limited to charity, seva, and Waivers aka Guru's absorption of our bad karma). IT IS IMPORTANT TO NOTE that this theory assumes that all karma is quantifiable, and let's assume the unit for measuring karma is 'karmic unit' (just like all transactions are quantified in money terms). These categories will be reported on a balance sheet EVERY LIFETIME, and there must be a MATCH, action-to-action. All action must be accounted for. At the end of this all, will come what is closed as REMAINING KARMA (in karmic units), which becomes the TRIGGER for the NEXT LIFETIME. Inference: If the karmic units for the REMAINING KARMA = 0, then MOKSHA! SOMETHING TO CONTEMPLATE: The process of Karma is not static, in that balances are not done at the end of a lifetime only. They are done through out the LIFETIME, so Karma works such that the BALANCE SHEET for every jiva (conscious entity) is prepared every wakeful second. I fancy that advanced yogis can see such a dynamic BALANCE SHEET of a person, and hence advise him what he needs to do to mitigate bad karma etc. All these are my pet theories only. Others are welcome to take a poke at it, or offer new theories. Jai Ma! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 now one question on the karma theory: we say with some spiritual practices we can become free from the bondage of karma. let us say a child was born with very good karma. if he folows spiritual practices and becomes free from karma, isn't it true that all his good karmas are gone. basically this question started from the point that we say by god/guru/prayer's grace karma can be removed/suspended. isn't it possible that along with bad karma good karmas will be gone. JP --- manoj_menon <ammasmon wrote: > Some one asked for explanation of karma yesterday. > well, I am not > learned enough, but I anyway found myself thinking > on that, and came > up with this theory (which to me sounds very > logical). Anyway, do > read it and see if it helps you any, else disregard > it like poison! > (paraphrasing Swami Vivekananda's quote) > > Karma is the 'law of cause and effect' in > application. There is > strict accounting done here. It is extremely > mathematical in nature; > no escaping the math of the process for anyone, BUT > there are > (accounted-for) escape routes. > > > > Take the case of business accounting. > Each transaction has to be properly accounted for. > Eventually, each > transaction should roll-up to a higher-level > business process > bucket. Then, all the business process buckets > should be classified > as Income, or Expenditure (includes, but not limited > to, good-will > and Waivers). > > These business process / categories must be reported > on a balance > sheet EVERY YEAR, and there must be a MATCH, > dollar-to-dollar, cent- > to-cent. All monies must be accounted for. > > At the end of this all, will come what is closed as > CLOSING BALANCE, > which becomes the OPENING BALANCE for the NEXT YEAR. > > > > Analogy of the above example to Karma: > Each action has to be properly accounted for. > Eventually, each > action should roll-up to a higher-level bucket. > Then, all the > buckets should be classified as Bad Karma, Good > Karma (includes but > not limited to charity, seva, and Waivers aka Guru's > > absorption of our bad karma). IT IS IMPORTANT TO > NOTE that this > theory assumes that all karma is quantifiable, and > let's assume the > unit for measuring karma is 'karmic unit' (just like > all > transactions are quantified in money terms). > > These categories will be reported on a balance sheet > EVERY LIFETIME, > and there must be a MATCH, action-to-action. All > action must be > accounted for. > > At the end of this all, will come what is closed as > REMAINING KARMA > (in karmic units), which becomes the TRIGGER for the > NEXT LIFETIME. > > > > Inference: > If the karmic units for the REMAINING KARMA = 0, > then MOKSHA! > > > > SOMETHING TO CONTEMPLATE: > The process of Karma is not static, in that balances > are not done at > the end of a lifetime only. They are done through > out the LIFETIME, > so Karma works such that the BALANCE SHEET for every > jiva (conscious > entity) is prepared every wakeful second. > > I fancy that advanced yogis can see such a dynamic > BALANCE SHEET of > a person, and hence advise him what he needs to do > to mitigate bad > karma etc. > > > > All these are my pet theories only. Others are > welcome to take a > poke at it, or offer new theories. > > Jai Ma! > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Jatin, Statistically, each person's karmic scale tilts more towards "bad" than "good". The spiritual practices basically act to negate the excess bad karma and make oneself "ready" for the final event. When that happens, you are right; eventually, both karmas go away. What remains is the Grace of the Guru - a jiva TOTALLY surrendered to the Param Atman. No karmas, just raw and powerful blessings from God. The last part of your q: can the Guru take away the good karma? I think (S)He can. But it looks unlikely that he will. Gurus are not black magicians; they do not disturb an individual UNLESS that individual has requested the Guru to give him Deliverance. In that case, they uproot the ego of the person like a cruelly kind surgeon. . Therein lies the infinite compassion of Guru (or God or Grace) - free will when you want it, deliverance when you want it. Never enforced, yet always present. Jai Ma! , Jatin Prakash <jatinprakash> wrote: > now one question on the karma theory: we say with some > spiritual practices we can become free from the > bondage of karma. let us say a child was born with > very good karma. if he folows spiritual practices and > becomes free from karma, isn't it true that all his > good karmas are gone. > basically this question started from the point that we > say by god/guru/prayer's grace karma can be > removed/suspended. isn't it possible that along with > bad karma good karmas will be gone. > JP > --- manoj_menon <ammasmon@s...> wrote: > > Some one asked for explanation of karma yesterday. > > well, I am not > > learned enough, but I anyway found myself thinking > > on that, and came > > up with this theory (which to me sounds very > > logical). Anyway, do > > read it and see if it helps you any, else disregard > > it like poison! > > (paraphrasing Swami Vivekananda's quote) > > > > Karma is the 'law of cause and effect' in > > application. There is > > strict accounting done here. It is extremely > > mathematical in nature; > > no escaping the math of the process for anyone, BUT > > there are > > (accounted-for) escape routes. > > > > > > > > Take the case of business accounting. > > Each transaction has to be properly accounted for. > > Eventually, each > > transaction should roll-up to a higher-level > > business process > > bucket. Then, all the business process buckets > > should be classified > > as Income, or Expenditure (includes, but not limited > > to, good-will > > and Waivers). > > > > These business process / categories must be reported > > on a balance > > sheet EVERY YEAR, and there must be a MATCH, > > dollar-to-dollar, cent- > > to-cent. All monies must be accounted for. > > > > At the end of this all, will come what is closed as > > CLOSING BALANCE, > > which becomes the OPENING BALANCE for the NEXT YEAR. > > > > > > > > Analogy of the above example to Karma: > > Each action has to be properly accounted for. > > Eventually, each > > action should roll-up to a higher-level bucket. > > Then, all the > > buckets should be classified as Bad Karma, Good > > Karma (includes but > > not limited to charity, seva, and Waivers aka Guru's > > > > absorption of our bad karma). IT IS IMPORTANT TO > > NOTE that this > > theory assumes that all karma is quantifiable, and > > let's assume the > > unit for measuring karma is 'karmic unit' (just like > > all > > transactions are quantified in money terms). > > > > These categories will be reported on a balance sheet > > EVERY LIFETIME, > > and there must be a MATCH, action-to-action. All > > action must be > > accounted for. > > > > At the end of this all, will come what is closed as > > REMAINING KARMA > > (in karmic units), which becomes the TRIGGER for the > > NEXT LIFETIME. > > > > > > > > Inference: > > If the karmic units for the REMAINING KARMA = 0, > > then MOKSHA! > > > > > > > > SOMETHING TO CONTEMPLATE: > > The process of Karma is not static, in that balances > > are not done at > > the end of a lifetime only. They are done through > > out the LIFETIME, > > so Karma works such that the BALANCE SHEET for every > > jiva (conscious > > entity) is prepared every wakeful second. > > > > I fancy that advanced yogis can see such a dynamic > > BALANCE SHEET of > > a person, and hence advise him what he needs to do > > to mitigate bad > > karma etc. > > > > > > > > All these are my pet theories only. Others are > > welcome to take a > > poke at it, or offer new theories. > > > > Jai Ma! > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vote for the stars of 's next ad campaign! > http://advision.webevents.//votelifeengine/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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