Guest guest Posted August 4, 2004 Report Share Posted August 4, 2004 devi_bhakta wrote: Oh go ahead Kochu! No need to fear labels! *lol* sunelectric101 wrote : Yeah, Kochu. Since when did you get so shy about stiring the pot. Especially when you know it will make people uncomfortable. Yeah! Agreed with all. Good to stir the pot to prevent the contents from being saturated and burnt. So stir more often ¡¡.hahahaaaa, which reminds me of the conversation we had long time ago : ¡°Well, stirred means like a light prodding -- ashwini is asleep and comfortable, but you are starting to lightly tap and prod her, saying "Come on, it's time to wake up." So she is not yet awake, but she is beginning to stir. And if you keep tapping and prodding, even so lightly and gently, she will awaken fully quite soon.¡± Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 I guess nobody else in Shakti Sadhana cares about Madonna one way or the other. , "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > devi_bhakta wrote: Oh go ahead Kochu! No need to fear labels! *lol* > > sunelectric101 wrote : Yeah, Kochu. Since when did you get so shy > about stiring the pot. Especially when you know it will make people > uncomfortable. > > Yeah! Agreed with all. Good to stir the pot to prevent the contents > from being saturated and burnt. So stir more often ¡-¡-.hahahaaaa, > which reminds me of the conversation we had long time ago : > ¡°Well, stirred means like a light prodding -- ashwini is asleep and > comfortable, but you are starting to lightly tap and prod her, > saying "Come on, it's time to wake up." So she is not yet awake, but > she is beginning to stir. And if you keep tapping and prodding, even > so lightly and gently, she will awaken fully quite soon.¡± Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 As a singer, she's okay, I guess. I haven't bought any of her albums or CDs. And I'm only familiar with her lyrics through the parodies Weird Al Yankovic did of them. I think it's admirable that she's seeking spiritual enlightenment. But I suspect it takes more than ostentatiously studying Hatha Yoga (and chanting Sanskrit on her albums), Shinto (and appearing in a kimono when performing), Kaballah (and wearing talismans against the evil eye), and using every path she explores as an excuse for a new concert or recording, to attain that enlightenment. So she's exchanged her humongous crucifix for a tilak painted on her forehead. Big deal. Even her politics comes across as mildly icky. Is she a feminist? Is she for sexual freedom? Publishing a book of erotic photos, or seductively kissing Brittney Spears on TV, seemed more like publicity stunts than political statements. At least her ex-husband Sean Penn visited Iraq, and protested the war. Madonna doesn't seem to make straightforward statements like that. -- Len/ Kalipadma On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:17:08 -0000 "Mary Ann" <maryann writes: > I guess nobody else in Shakti Sadhana cares about Madonna > one way or the other. > > ______________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2004 Report Share Posted August 6, 2004 With Madonna, everything turns up in her highly commercialized product, which she calls "art." I remember when I saw her movie (Truth or Dare, I think it's called), she was draping herself over her mother's grave and recounting that her mother died when she was a little girl. I felt she used that to manipulate the viewer rather than provide information with any genuine emotional content. Maybe that's just extreme self-consciousness on her part, or poor film editing, but one's self-reflection can only go so far in the public eye. , kalipadma@j... wrote: > > As a singer, she's okay, I guess. I haven't bought any of her albums or > CDs. And I'm only familiar with her lyrics through the parodies Weird Al > Yankovic did of them. > > I think it's admirable that she's seeking spiritual enlightenment. But I > suspect it takes more than ostentatiously studying Hatha Yoga (and > chanting Sanskrit on her albums), Shinto (and appearing in a kimono when > performing), Kaballah (and wearing talismans against the evil eye), and > using every path she explores as an excuse for a new concert or > recording, to attain that enlightenment. So she's exchanged her > humongous crucifix for a tilak painted on her forehead. Big deal. > > Even her politics comes across as mildly icky. Is she a feminist? Is > she for sexual freedom? Publishing a book of erotic photos, or > seductively kissing Brittney Spears on TV, seemed more like publicity > stunts than political statements. > > At least her ex-husband Sean Penn visited Iraq, and protested the war. > Madonna doesn't seem to make straightforward statements like that. > > -- Len/ Kalipadma > > > On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 04:17:08 -0000 "Mary Ann" > <maryann@m...> writes: > > I guess nobody else in Shakti Sadhana cares about Madonna > > one way or the other. > > > > > > > ______________ > The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 maryann writes: I guess nobody else in Shakti Sadhana cares about Madonna one way or the other. kalipadma wrote: As a singer, she's okay, I guess. I haven't bought any of her albums or CDs. And I'm only familiar with her lyrics through the parodies Weird Al Yankovic did of them. I think it's admirable that she's seeking spiritual enlightenment. But I suspect it takes more than ostentatiously studying Hatha Yoga (and chanting Sanskrit on her albums), Shinto (and appearing in a kimono when performing), Kaballah (and wearing talismans against the evil eye), and using every path she explores as an excuse for a new concert or recording, to attain that enlightenment. So she's exchanged her humongous crucifix for a tilak painted on her forehead. Big deal. I do. I have been following her [ not as a faithful fan but as an observer ] for a long time. yes! I have almost all her records and indeed I agree with Kalipadma, she is a good singer. What amazed me is how she somehow refuses to "die" and reinvent herself all the time. Perhaps this is one of the traits of somebody who really love life and willing to live to the fullest. I dont know just my personal thoughts. She tries to return back to society in which ever way she knows how : as an entertainer that is. Also remind me of person who suddenly discover "enlightment" or being reborn, they have the tendency to get overboard. I guess once a person is used to the limelight and being the center of attention might find it very difficult to move away from it. It kills them. So is this just another survival instinct? She seems okay until she decides to change her name from Madonna to some new name she thinks fits her current spiritual quest. I always believe what ever name you are born with is always good. Especially name given by your own parent. That is your identity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 In a message dated 8/7/2004 3:04:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ashwini_puralasamy writes: She seems okay until she decides to change her name from Madonna to some new name she thinks fits her current spiritual quest. I always believe what ever name you are born with is always good. Especially name given by your own parent. That is your identity. Keeping the name given by your parents is rather like limiting yourself to what your parents think of you now isn't it? Names are powerful things most of them have meanings even though many people have seemed to forgotten this. I always liked Hindu names for that reason because the meanings are still apparent. The Greco/Roman peoples would name themselves in similar fashion after deities/ spiritual concepts etc. Many English names can be traced back to jobs i.e. smith, weaver, hooper, baker, fisher etc. etc. My first name is william which comes from the German wilhelm and actually means helmet. Now, my parents wouldn't know this because they don't think of such things. My middle name John is simply a christian name I believe so I would eventually want to change that!!!! I understand what your saying, but I also think the idea of identifying with your parents isn't always a good one ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2004 Report Share Posted August 7, 2004 I have loved Madonna's images....she is an entertainer, and I don't look to her for spiritual guidance. I don't own any of her albums; if I had to buy something with Madonna it would be a video retrospective. Sure, she is into "the Kaballah" now; and maybe her Hindu period made others want to study Hinduism. I don't feel she really denegrated anything, just appropriated. She also pointed me towards her biggest influence, David Bowie, who actually did study some religious texts more intensively..... Leslie >"N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy > > > Re: Why I Hate Madonna, so lets stir the pot !!! >Sat, 07 Aug 2004 07:02:41 -0000 > >maryann writes: I guess nobody else in Shakti Sadhana cares about >Madonna one way or the other. > >kalipadma wrote: As a singer, she's okay, I guess. I haven't bought >any of her albums or CDs. And I'm only familiar with her lyrics >through the parodies Weird Al Yankovic did of them. I think it's >admirable that she's seeking spiritual enlightenment. But I >suspect it takes more than ostentatiously studying Hatha Yoga (and >chanting Sanskrit on her albums), Shinto (and appearing in a kimono >when performing), Kaballah (and wearing talismans against the evil >eye), and using every path she explores as an excuse for a new >concert or recording, to attain that enlightenment. So she's >exchanged her humongous crucifix for a tilak painted on her >forehead. Big deal. > >I do. I have been following her [ not as a faithful fan but as an >observer ] for a long time. yes! I have almost all her records and >indeed I agree with Kalipadma, she is a good singer. What amazed me >is how she somehow refuses to "die" and reinvent herself all the >time. Perhaps this is one of the traits of somebody who really love >life and willing to live to the fullest. I dont know just my personal >thoughts. She tries to return back to society in which ever way she >knows how : as an entertainer that is. Also remind me of person who >suddenly discover "enlightment" or being reborn, they have the >tendency to get overboard. I guess once a person is used to the >limelight and being the center of attention might find it very >difficult to move away from it. It kills them. So is this just >another survival instinct? > >She seems okay until she decides to change her name from Madonna to >some new name she thinks fits her current spiritual quest. I always >believe what ever name you are born with is always good. Especially >name given by your own parent. That is your identity. > > > > > > Links > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 swastik108 wrote: Keeping the name given by your parents is rather like limiting yourself to what your parents think of you now isn't it? I understand what your saying, but I also think the idea of identifying with your parents isn't always a good one ;-) I disagree with you on this. Being given the names by our parent and what our parent think about us is 2 different things. My parent seems to think that I will not make it in Nursing. A lot of people [ my own relations bet that I will not last in Nursing ] but I prove them wrong. What does that got to do with the name given to me? That is where I feel is wrong. Our parents is our roots. Not being able to identify or not identifying with our parents is like trying to deny or ignore the basic roots that we come from. Our first gurus is our parent. How can we say we should not identify with our parent? I am told you only bow before the feet of your guru and your parent. Well yeah! when you are initiate you are given a spiritual name by our guru, but we never forget or abandoned the name given by our parent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Namaste, Sometimes it is good to choose to separate yourself from a system that is dangerous or harmful. I know many women who have struggled against a difficult past and changing their name, choosing their own name, was a great source of strength to step out in a new direction. Naming is powerful, it comes up in many mythologies. To name something symbolizes having power over it. Madonna was my idol about 20 years ago. I still like that she is a feisty independent strong woman. However, her recent work hasn't really connected for me. Sorry I haven't written. I haven't even seen my personal email in a week and a half. Hope all is well. Blessings, pr , "N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy> wrote: > swastik108 wrote: Keeping the name given by your parents is rather > like limiting yourself to what your parents think of you now isn't it? > I understand what your saying, but I also think the idea of > identifying with your parents isn't always a good one ;-) > > I disagree with you on this. Being given the names by our parent and > what our parent think about us is 2 different things. My parent seems > to think that I will not make it in Nursing. A lot of people [ my > own relations bet that I will not last in Nursing ] but I prove them > wrong. What does that got to do with the name given to me? > > That is where I feel is wrong. Our parents is our roots. Not being > able to identify or not identifying with our parents is like trying > to deny or ignore the basic roots that we come from. Our first gurus > is our parent. How can we say we should not identify with our parent? > I am told you only bow before the feet of your guru and your parent. > > Well yeah! when you are initiate you are given a spiritual name by > our guru, but we never forget or abandoned the name given by our > parent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 Everybody is different, aren't they? If you would like to retain your name given by your parents, it should be your choice. Some want to change for reasons of their own, blessings to them. How about that? Leslie >"N. Madasamy" <ashwini_puralasamy > > > Re: Why I Hate Madonna, so lets stir the pot !!! >Sun, 08 Aug 2004 04:53:44 -0000 > >swastik108 wrote: Keeping the name given by your parents is rather >like limiting yourself to what your parents think of you now isn't it? >I understand what your saying, but I also think the idea of >identifying with your parents isn't always a good one ;-) > >I disagree with you on this. Being given the names by our parent and >what our parent think about us is 2 different things. My parent seems >to think that I will not make it in Nursing. A lot of people [ my >own relations bet that I will not last in Nursing ] but I prove them >wrong. What does that got to do with the name given to me? > >That is where I feel is wrong. Our parents is our roots. Not being >able to identify or not identifying with our parents is like trying >to deny or ignore the basic roots that we come from. Our first gurus >is our parent. How can we say we should not identify with our parent? >I am told you only bow before the feet of your guru and your parent. > >Well yeah! when you are initiate you are given a spiritual name by >our guru, but we never forget or abandoned the name given by our >parent. > > > > > > Links > > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2004 Report Share Posted August 8, 2004 You sound very reasonable! Leslie >swastik108 > > >Re: Re: Why I Hate Madonna, so lets stir the pot >!!! >Sat, 7 Aug 2004 09:23:20 EDT > >In a message dated 8/7/2004 3:04:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >ashwini_puralasamy writes: >She seems okay until she decides to change her name from Madonna to >some new name she thinks fits her current spiritual quest. I always >believe what ever name you are born with is always good. Especially >name given by your own parent. That is your identity. >Keeping the name given by your parents is rather like limiting yourself to >what your parents think of you now isn't it? > >Names are powerful things most of them have meanings even though many >people >have seemed to forgotten this. I always liked Hindu names for that reason >because the meanings are still apparent. > >The Greco/Roman peoples would name themselves in similar fashion after >deities/ spiritual concepts etc. Many English names can be traced back to >jobs i.e. >smith, weaver, hooper, baker, fisher etc. etc. > >My first name is william which comes from the German wilhelm and actually >means helmet. Now, my parents wouldn't know this because they don't think >of such >things. My middle name John is simply a christian name I believe so I would >eventually want to change that!!!! > >I understand what your saying, but I also think the idea of identifying >with >your parents isn't always a good one ;-) > > > Links > > > > > _______________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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