Guest guest Posted September 25, 2004 Report Share Posted September 25, 2004 welcome! i, too, am a dianic feminist witch! ...this is an active site, and i have learned many new things since joining, and i am sure you will too! blessings, anu seed_crystal <seed_crystal wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2004 Report Share Posted September 26, 2004 What does that mean??? In a message dated 9/25/2004 12:19:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, thegoddessanu2003 writes: welcome! i, too, am a dianic feminist witch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 You can do a google search on "dianic feminist witch" and see what comes up. There's a workbook on becoming one. , swastik108@a... wrote: > What does that mean??? > > > In a message dated 9/25/2004 12:19:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > thegoddessanu2003 writes: > > welcome! i, too, am a dianic feminist witch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 As long as you don't dislike me for being born a male then I don't have any issues with that ;-) Peace, Swastik ---In a message dated 9/27/2004 9:28:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thegoddessanu2003 writes: for me, it is all one thing, not three---being dianic, feminist, and a witch are all-encompassing and spiraling, entertwined as one! Fine by me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 welll..... "dianic" means that i honor everything from Goddess, in that all creation comes from Her. this april i was ordained as a high priestess in my tradition of choice. "feminist" means that i work for the promotion/betterment of women, kids, elders etc. and "witch", well, i think that is self-explanatory --but for me, i honor the earth and maintain an earth-based connection at all times. i work with the moon cycles for my calendar of time, and oh yes...i do many rituals! for me, it is all one thing, not three---being dianic, feminist, and a witch are all-encompassing and spiraling, entertwined as one! blessings, anu (the dianic, feminist witch from colorado, USA) Mary Ann <maryann wrote: You can do a google search on "dianic feminist witch" and see what comes up. There's a workbook on becoming one. , swastik108@a... wrote: > What does that mean??? > > > In a message dated 9/25/2004 12:19:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > thegoddessanu2003 writes: > > welcome! i, too, am a dianic feminist witch! / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 The one most likely to do that would be me. As long as you act like you think with the brain above the waist... We'll get along fine. Think with the other one... Well, let's just not go there. -----As long as you don't dislike me for being born a male then I don't have any issues with that ;-) Peace, Swastik ----------- Eternal Writer/Poet/Child of the Universe http://users4.ev1.net/~eternalwytch1/ ICQ: 55902650 "The magic is in the blood, it flows from the heart. Every time you use it, part of yourself goes with it. Only when you are prepared to give of yourself and receive nothing back will the magic work for you.--Theobald Beckman, Raistlin Chronicles Vol. 1 "The Soulforge" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 no, not at all...i have a father, a stepson, a aon-in-law, and 2 absolutely FINE grandsons!! i would not trade them for anything...they are a part of my circle, or spiral of life! all men are, i believe! blessings, anu swastik108 wrote: As long as you don't dislike me for being born a male then I don't have any issues with that ;-) Peace, Swastik ---In a message dated 9/27/2004 9:28:50 AM Eastern Daylight Time, thegoddessanu2003 writes: for me, it is all one thing, not three---being dianic, feminist, and a witch are all-encompassing and spiraling, entertwined as one! Fine by me. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Ironically enough most Tantriks and Shaktas I have met so far have been men. Go figure. Personally, I can't follow a spiritual discipline that actively encourages sexual discrimination of any sort. It would seem rather limited and ridiculous if everything was divine now wouldn't it? ---In a message dated 9/27/2004 3:42:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, seed_crystal writes: Please do not take this as hostile; that is so not my intent. However, if you had not thought about it before, I wanted to gift you with the opportunity this perspective offers. I am also genuinely curious about the experiences and perspectives of my Hindu sisters - and brothers - on these issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 It's nice that there are Dianics out there that are not outright man-haters. I never thought that all Dianics were, but I have bumped into many radicals that make their selves no better than their Patriarchial counterparts when it comes to the "gender wars", so it has left a poor image on the Dianic Community. Blessings, >"eternalwytch1" <eternalwytch1 > ><> > Re: welcome >Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:26:32 -0400 > > >The one most likely to do that would be me. As long as you act like you >think with the brain above the waist... We'll get along fine. Think with >the other one... Well, let's just not go there. > >-----As long as you don't dislike me for being born a male then I don't >have >any >issues with that ;-) > >Peace, > >Swastik > >----------- >Eternal >Writer/Poet/Child of the Universe >http://users4.ev1.net/~eternalwytch1/ >ICQ: 55902650 >"The magic is in the blood, it flows from the heart. Every time you use >it, part of yourself goes with it. Only when you are prepared to give of >yourself and receive nothing back will the magic work for you.--Theobald >Beckman, Raistlin Chronicles Vol. 1 "The Soulforge" > > _______________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 EXACTLY!!!!! blessings, anu Anya Mortiis <angelusmortiis wrote: It's nice that there are Dianics out there that are not outright man-haters. I never thought that all Dianics were, but I have bumped into many radicals that make their selves no better than their Patriarchial counterparts when it comes to the "gender wars", so it has left a poor image on the Dianic Community. Blessings, >"eternalwytch1" <eternalwytch1 > ><> > Re: welcome >Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:26:32 -0400 > > >The one most likely to do that would be me. As long as you act like you >think with the brain above the waist... We'll get along fine. Think with >the other one... Well, let's just not go there. > >-----As long as you don't dislike me for being born a male then I don't >have >any >issues with that ;-) > >Peace, > >Swastik > >----------- >Eternal >Writer/Poet/Child of the Universe >http://users4.ev1.net/~eternalwytch1/ >ICQ: 55902650 >"The magic is in the blood, it flows from the heart. Every time you use >it, part of yourself goes with it. Only when you are prepared to give of >yourself and receive nothing back will the magic work for you.--Theobald >Beckman, Raistlin Chronicles Vol. 1 "The Soulforge" > > _______________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Somehow I was given the impression Dianic equated to lesbian? Did I read too much into it? Anya Mortiis <angelusmortiis wrote: It's nice that there are Dianics out there that are not outright man-haters. I never thought that all Dianics were, but I have bumped into many radicals that make their selves no better than their Patriarchial counterparts when it comes to the "gender wars", so it has left a poor image on the Dianic Community. Blessings, >"eternalwytch1" <eternalwytch1 > ><> > Re: welcome >Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:26:32 -0400 > > >The one most likely to do that would be me. As long as you act like you >think with the brain above the waist... We'll get along fine. Think with >the other one... Well, let's just not go there. > >-----As long as you don't dislike me for being born a male then I don't >have >any >issues with that ;-) > >Peace, > >Swastik > >----------- >Eternal >Writer/Poet/Child of the Universe >http://users4.ev1.net/~eternalwytch1/ >ICQ: 55902650 >"The magic is in the blood, it flows from the heart. Every time you use >it, part of yourself goes with it. Only when you are prepared to give of >yourself and receive nothing back will the magic work for you.--Theobald >Beckman, Raistlin Chronicles Vol. 1 "The Soulforge" > > _______________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement / New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 well, there are dianics that are lesbians and there are dianics that are not lesbians...way too many people make that assumption that all dianics are lesbians! believe me, not all are! blessings, anu Dan W <danw1960 wrote: Somehow I was given the impression Dianic equated to lesbian? Did I read too much into it? Anya Mortiis <angelusmortiis wrote: It's nice that there are Dianics out there that are not outright man-haters. I never thought that all Dianics were, but I have bumped into many radicals that make their selves no better than their Patriarchial counterparts when it comes to the "gender wars", so it has left a poor image on the Dianic Community. Blessings, Anya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 It does not mean that one bit. While there are lesbian feminists out there, it does not mean that Dianics as a whole are a group of them. Blessings, >Dan W <danw1960 > > >RE: Re: welcome >Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:41:50 -0700 (PDT) > >Somehow I was given the impression Dianic equated to lesbian? Did I read >too much into it? > >Anya Mortiis <angelusmortiis wrote: >It's nice that there are Dianics out there that are not outright >man-haters. > I never thought that all Dianics were, but I have bumped into many >radicals that make their selves no better than their Patriarchial >counterparts when it comes to the "gender wars", so it has left a poor >image >on the Dianic Community. > >Blessings, >Anya > > >"eternalwytch1" <eternalwytch1 > > > ><> > > Re: welcome > >Mon, 27 Sep 2004 10:26:32 -0400 > > > > > >The one most likely to do that would be me. As long as you act like you > >think with the brain above the waist... We'll get along fine. Think with > >the other one... Well, let's just not go there. > > > >-----As long as you don't dislike me for being born a male then I don't > >have > >any > >issues with that ;-) > > > >Peace, > > > >Swastik > > > >----------- > >Eternal > >Writer/Poet/Child of the Universe > >http://users4.ev1.net/~eternalwytch1/ > >ICQ: 55902650 > >"The magic is in the blood, it flows from the heart. Every time you use > >it, part of yourself goes with it. Only when you are prepared to give of > >yourself and receive nothing back will the magic work for you.--Theobald > >Beckman, Raistlin Chronicles Vol. 1 "The Soulforge" > > > > > >_______________ >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > Sponsor > > > > Links > > >/ > > > > > > > > > > > >New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! > > > > _______________ Get ready for school! Find articles, homework help and more in the Back to School Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04backtoschool.armx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Thinking, awareness, consciousness, mind is not located exclusively in the brain but rather is spread throughout the physical body, even into the cellular level. The more important aspects of thinking, awareness, consciousness and mind are not located in the physical body at all but rather in the pranamaya kosha, our subtle energy system of chakras and nadis. Knowledge from this latter area would preclude anyone from saying such confrontational statements as, "The one most likely to do that would be me. As long as act like you think with the brain above the waist... we'll get along fine." A tendency to aggression only indicates a sense of separation. But there is no separation in the universe or beyond. Aggression is an act of ignorance of one's true, divine state based on listening to the so-called evidence of the senses assessed under the sway of the ego. So Hum Omprem , "eternalwytch1" <eternalwytch1@e...> wrote: > > The one most likely to do that would be me. As long as you act like you > think with the brain above the waist... We'll get along fine. Think with > the other one... Well, let's just not go there. > > -----As long as you don't dislike me for being born a male then I don't have > any > issues with that ;-) > > Peace, > > Swastik > > ----------- > Eternal > Writer/Poet/Child of the Universe > http://users4.ev1.net/~eternalwytch1/ > ICQ: 55902650 > "The magic is in the blood, it flows from the heart. Every time you use > it, part of yourself goes with it. Only when you are prepared to give of > yourself and receive nothing back will the magic work for you.--Theobald > Beckman, Raistlin Chronicles Vol. 1 "The Soulforge" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 A tendency to aggression only indicates a sense of separation. But there is no separation in the universe or beyond. Aggression is an act of ignorance of one's true, divine state based on listening to the so-called evidence of the senses assessed under the sway of the ego. So Hum Omprem I will never deny being aggressive, nor will I deny my general dislike and mistrust of men. Of course, my reasons why will matter little to them. ------------ Eternal Writer/Poet/Child of the Universe http://users4.ev1.net/~eternalwytch1/ ICQ: 55902650 " There exists no separation between gods and men; one blends softly casual into the other." -Proverbs of Muad'Dib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Actually, to quote Z Budapest "Many lesbians are Dianics, but most Dianics are straight women with children. Go figure." http://www.twpt.com/goddess.htm 1999 interview I would also like to quote Sage Starwalker's excellent article "Whatever Floats Your Boat: A Dianic Perspective on Polarity, Balance, and Gender" published in PagaNet News for Imbolg 2000: Referring to the seven "Defining/Developing Dianic Wicca" conferences hostessed by the Re-formed Congregation of the Goddess (RCG-I) in the 1980s and early 1990s (as recalled by interviews with Jade River), the hundreds of diverse attendees found "Consensus developed on two points only: Goddess and feminism are essential ingredients of this largely self-defined spiritual system with its diversity of beliefs and practices. "Conference organizers were perhaps surprised, as you may be, to observe that a majority of women who identify as Dianic are practicing heterosexuals. This continues to be true of the Dianic population. It is clear that many women find value in same-sex spiritual practice, a practice that has nothing to do with sexual attraction." Goddess worship in the East is not equated with lesbianism, is it? Or (to identify other ocassional mis-representations of Dianics) with hatred of men, imbalance, threat to heterosexual relationships, an attack on those who worship a (or The) god? In the East, do men invade women's mysteries, or try to shut them down, or ensure that any women's gathering they are aware of spends significant time once again reassuring everyone that attendees can love their sons, brothers, male lovers, or (dare I say it?) even their fathers? Please do not take this as hostile; that is so not my intent. However, if you had not thought about it before, I wanted to gift you with the opportunity this perspective offers. I am also genuinely curious about the experiences and perspectives of my Hindu sisters - and brothers - on these issues. , Dan W <danw1960> wrote: > Somehow I was given the impression Dianic equated to lesbian? Did I read too much into it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Thank you. I absolutely take no hostility from your post, intended or otherwise (I'm pretty dense, hostility needs to be clear for me - lol) I am totally genuine in my ignorance of Dianic beliefs and the material you've included has helped me understand a bit. I hadn't really considered the idea of same-sex spirituality, but that certainly might explain alot. There is a definite undercurrent of exclusion that probably feeds the "man hater" image, among those apt to apply it. So how does that work for practicing heterosexual couples? Kinda like separate prayer for Muslim men and women? Or is it that men are totally excluded? Again I'm just professing ignorance here, not judgment. DanW seed_crystal <seed_crystal wrote: Actually, to quote Z Budapest "Many lesbians are Dianics, but most Dianics are straight women with children. Go figure." http://www.twpt.com/goddess.htm 1999 interview I would also like to quote Sage Starwalker's excellent article "Whatever Floats Your Boat: A Dianic Perspective on Polarity, Balance, and Gender" published in PagaNet News for Imbolg 2000: Referring to the seven "Defining/Developing Dianic Wicca" conferences hostessed by the Re-formed Congregation of the Goddess (RCG-I) in the 1980s and early 1990s (as recalled by interviews with Jade River), the hundreds of diverse attendees found "Consensus developed on two points only: Goddess and feminism are essential ingredients of this largely self-defined spiritual system with its diversity of beliefs and practices. "Conference organizers were perhaps surprised, as you may be, to observe that a majority of women who identify as Dianic are practicing heterosexuals. This continues to be true of the Dianic population. It is clear that many women find value in same-sex spiritual practice, a practice that has nothing to do with sexual attraction." Goddess worship in the East is not equated with lesbianism, is it? Or (to identify other ocassional mis-representations of Dianics) with hatred of men, imbalance, threat to heterosexual relationships, an attack on those who worship a (or The) god? In the East, do men invade women's mysteries, or try to shut them down, or ensure that any women's gathering they are aware of spends significant time once again reassuring everyone that attendees can love their sons, brothers, male lovers, or (dare I say it?) even their fathers? Please do not take this as hostile; that is so not my intent. However, if you had not thought about it before, I wanted to gift you with the opportunity this perspective offers. I am also genuinely curious about the experiences and perspectives of my Hindu sisters - and brothers - on these issues. , Dan W <danw1960> wrote: > Somehow I was given the impression Dianic equated to lesbian? Did I read too much into it? / New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 as for me and mine, we ritual together...and we ritual seperate...whatever the occasion calls for. blessings, anu Dan W <danw1960 wrote: Thank you. I absolutely take no hostility from your post, intended or otherwise (I'm pretty dense, hostility needs to be clear for me - lol) I am totally genuine in my ignorance of Dianic beliefs and the material you've included has helped me understand a bit. I hadn't really considered the idea of same-sex spirituality, but that certainly might explain alot. There is a definite undercurrent of exclusion that probably feeds the "man hater" image, among those apt to apply it. So how does that work for practicing heterosexual couples? Kinda like separate prayer for Muslim men and women? Or is it that men are totally excluded? Again I'm just professing ignorance here, not judgment. DanW seed_crystal <seed_crystal wrote: Actually, to quote Z Budapest "Many lesbians are Dianics, but most Dianics are straight women with children. Go figure." http://www.twpt.com/goddess.htm 1999 interview I would also like to quote Sage Starwalker's excellent article "Whatever Floats Your Boat: A Dianic Perspective on Polarity, Balance, and Gender" published in PagaNet News for Imbolg 2000: Referring to the seven "Defining/Developing Dianic Wicca" conferences hostessed by the Re-formed Congregation of the Goddess (RCG-I) in the 1980s and early 1990s (as recalled by interviews with Jade River), the hundreds of diverse attendees found "Consensus developed on two points only: Goddess and feminism are essential ingredients of this largely self-defined spiritual system with its diversity of beliefs and practices. "Conference organizers were perhaps surprised, as you may be, to observe that a majority of women who identify as Dianic are practicing heterosexuals. This continues to be true of the Dianic population. It is clear that many women find value in same-sex spiritual practice, a practice that has nothing to do with sexual attraction." Goddess worship in the East is not equated with lesbianism, is it? Or (to identify other ocassional mis-representations of Dianics) with hatred of men, imbalance, threat to heterosexual relationships, an attack on those who worship a (or The) god? In the East, do men invade women's mysteries, or try to shut them down, or ensure that any women's gathering they are aware of spends significant time once again reassuring everyone that attendees can love their sons, brothers, male lovers, or (dare I say it?) even their fathers? Please do not take this as hostile; that is so not my intent. However, if you had not thought about it before, I wanted to gift you with the opportunity this perspective offers. I am also genuinely curious about the experiences and perspectives of my Hindu sisters - and brothers - on these issues. , Dan W <danw1960> wrote: > Somehow I was given the impression Dianic equated to lesbian? Did I read too much into it? / New and Improved Mail - Send 10MB messages! / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 "nor will I deny my general dislike and mistrust of men. Of course, my reasons why will matter little to them." Your statements contain a lot of hurt and pain and consequent resentment. But why choose to take on the negativity of those who hurt you? They do what they do out of karmic blindness. It has nothing to do with you or who you are. Why choose to allow them to define you or interfere with your sense of self? Only you can define yourself. If you define yourself in relation to externals you are at the mercy of those externals. It is better to look within and discover who you really are than to identify with ephemera such gender or what someone thinks of you or does to you. You are different from your circumstances. To dislike or mistrust is to keep your consciousness dense and to keep yourself from knowing your true divine Self. OM Namah Sivaya Omprem , "eternalwytch1" <eternalwytch1@e...> wrote: > > A tendency to aggression only indicates a sense of separation. > But there is no separation in the universe or beyond. Aggression > is an act of ignorance of one's true, divine state based on > listening to the so-called evidence of the senses assessed > under the sway of the ego. > > So Hum > > Omprem > > I will never deny being aggressive, nor will I deny my general dislike > and mistrust of men. Of course, my reasons why will matter little to > them. > ------------ > Eternal > Writer/Poet/Child of the Universe > http://users4.ev1.net/~eternalwytch1/ > ICQ: 55902650 > " There exists no separation between gods and men; one blends softly > casual into the other." -Proverbs of Muad'Dib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2004 Report Share Posted September 28, 2004 Some hetero Dianic women are married or otherwise involved with men. Some might practice pagan, Wiccan or magickal practices with their men, some might not. Depends a lot on the woman, the relationship, the interest and beliefs of the men. My husband's not pagan, is ocasionally curious, so we might talk or do some pagan Wiccan things together. , Dan W <danw1960> wrote: > ... Dianic beliefs ... > > So how does that work for practicing heterosexual couples? Kinda like separate prayer for Muslim men and women? Or is it that men are totally excluded? Again I'm just professing ignorance here, not judgment. > > DanW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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