Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 Thank you so much Max and other "Dianics" for so beautifully articulating some of the issues. I too would call myself Ecclectic Dianic as Dianic is indeed too limitting for me as my cultural interests are broader. I understand the fear and dislike that men may have re exclusion from these practices but, quite honestly, since I am also one of the early 70's movers and shakers of the Women's Spirituality Movement, I am soooo sick and tired of this argument...enough already. I am likely full of Full Moon in Aries fire here but powerful women of all sexual preferences are so tired of having the threat of lesbianism [and I proudly am one] or "Man hater" being levelled against us as a fear thing around women's sacred spaces. I am acutely aware of these prejudices lately as I am producing the Wise Woman's Festival which is the only truly woman/Goddess centered Spirituality Fest in this part of the South. There are thousands of mixed groups anhd festivals each year and yet, we get the everpresent periodic question about men. I would like to think that true brothers, like all open and progressive people can simply be supportive of various minorities such as Africans/Dianics/Lesbians whatever the practice and simply let it be, knowing that there is room for all of us and that some rooms are not open to all and that's ok and can be a beautiful place of focus and intimacy for each individual group who chooses to seperate for a time or altogether. We are all hopefully choosing to Elevate the Planet whatever our paths and when we pray and do ritual for this Evolution, it is for all of us. If some of us find all female practice to facillitate our Empowerment, then Blessed Be and may each of us find the best path towards Wholeness and the Sacred. Goddess Bless Flash Silvermoon * The Wise Woman's Tarot - http://www.flashsilvermoon.com * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2004 Report Share Posted September 29, 2004 >From my own perspective, the issue isn't whether men are excluded or not; I can deal with that. The issue is one of clarity around the term: if it means "men excluded," then I can respect that and avoid the question of participation altogether, but it seems about as clear as mud (to me) from the prior discussion as to what one means when one claims to be "Dianic". Certainly, your very rational and dispassionate explanation below is a lot more constructive than the earlier analogy of men to asafoetida presumably "stinking up" the place (or tea). There seems to be a bit of turf warring over who gets to claim ownership of key words and phrases. Whether Goddess worship means "female (only) belief system". Whether Dianics exclude or include men, or even heterosexual women. , Flashsilvermoon@a... wrote: > I would like to think that true brothers, like all open and progressive > people can simply be supportive of various minorities such as > Africans/Dianics/Lesbians whatever the practice and simply let it be, knowing that there is room for all of us and that some rooms are not open to all and that's ok and can be a beautiful place of focus and intimacy for each individual group who chooses to seperate for a time or altogether. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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