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In a message dated 10/6/2004 2:28:30 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

kochu1tz writes:

> Let me make one thing clear

> where krishna is worshipped Radha too is; where shiva- uma too. And a

> vaishnavite will go to shiva Devi temple and vice versa. It is those who have

no

> firsthand experience that one goes to talk the nonsense of sects.

>

>

 

Does Radha have equal status?

What does the word Radha mean?

My grandmother was a Serbian slave and they called her Rada which means

Servant. I know Serbian is not the same language as Hindi, and Radha must mean

something else besides servant...

At any rate, I have never heard of Radha, only of Krishna, so there is some

discrepancy in my own country at least, in the importance attributed to each.

Obviously Krishna is given more importance, by SOMEBODY, even if not by

Hindus, or I would be equally as familiar with Radha, who's name I have never

heard

before this moment.

 

 

 

 

 

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In a message dated 10/6/2004 3:01:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

kochu1tz writes:

> Radha is the alter ego of Krishna. Withot radha there is no Krishna and

> without Krishna there is no Radha. so the saying goes.

> Lets not confuse languages. In Sanskrit "Usha" is dawn; in Ibo (in Nigeria)

> it means Bitch. so lets not take similar sounding words and make a

> connection.

>

> Oh yes people who are not amiliar with the systems and want to pretend to be

> scholrs make up a lot of things.

> I remember an assistant professor or something from Harvard saying that

> "Yavana Jataka" is greek astrology!! when the name is deried from the name of

the

> author Sphoojidha dwaja yavana raja - a King of present day gujarat, who

> clearly said the time of writing is around 73 BC (not his words; he gave his

> time in kali days and if we calculate it is 73 BC); that he is a brahmin etc.

> These this great professor ignored and latched on to the word "yavana" which

> ALSO meant Greek.

> It is this wrong usage that has resulted in LOT OF MISINFORMATION

> propagated maily by westerners either b design or gorance.

>

 

I seriously doubt it is by design, Kochu. Certainly India and Hindu are

complex subjects and it is easy to get lost in all the details. Thanks for

explaining the connection between Radha and Krishna.

 

As for languages, sometimes it is the case that words are the same, such as

the word for Tie ( that men wear on their shirts ) is the same in German as it

is in Serbian. Though this is the exception to the rule. I guess it's always

best to ask, when one does not know.

 

Blessings,

Cathie

 

 

 

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Radha is the alter ego of Krishna. Withot radha there is no Krishna and without

Krishna there is no Radha. so the saying goes.

Lets not confuse languages. In Sanskrit "Usha" is dawn; in Ibo (in Nigeria) it

means Bitch. so lets not take similar sounding words and make a connection.

 

Oh yes people who are not amiliar with the systems and want to pretend to be

scholrs make up a lot of things.

I remember an assistant professor or something from Harvard saying that "Yavana

Jataka" is greek astrology!! when the name is deried from the name of the author

Sphoojidha dwaja yavana raja - a King of present day gujarat, who clearly said

the time of writing is around 73 BC (not his words; he gave his time in kali

days and if we calculate it is 73 BC); that he is a brahmin etc. These this

great professor ignored and latched on to the word "yavana" which ALSO meant

Greek.

It is this wrong usage that has resulted in LOT OF MISINFORMATION propagated

maily by westerners either b design or gorance.

SophiasHeaven wrote:

In a message dated 10/6/2004 2:28:30 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

kochu1tz writes:

> Let me make one thing clear

> where krishna is worshipped Radha too is; where shiva- uma too. And a

vaishnavite will go to shiva Devi temple and vice versa. It is those who have no

firsthand experience that one goes to talk the nonsense of sects.

>

>

 

Does Radha have equal status? What does the word Radha mean? My grandmother was

a Serbian slave and they called her Rada which means Servant. I know Serbian is

not the same language as Hindi, and Radha must mean something else besides

servant...

At any rate, I have never heard of Radha, only of Krishna, so there is some

discrepancy in my own country at least, in the importance attributed to each.

Obviously Krishna is given more importance, by SOMEBODY, even if not by Hindus,

or I would be equally as familiar with Radha, who's name I have never heard

before this moment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

i am afraid of posting because my language is straight. It is taken as insulting

by some westerners.

 

I have seen enough "by design" that i try to look at motives. The commonality

of what is spoken in Europe does not mean there are equivalents in Sanskrit.

 

 

SophiasHeaven wrote:

 

In a message dated 10/6/2004 3:01:58 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

kochu1tz writes:

> Radha is the alter ego of Krishna. Withot radha there is no Krishna and

without Krishna there is no Radha. so the saying goes.

 

Lets not confuse languages. In Sanskrit "Usha" is dawn; in Ibo (in Nigeria) it

means Bitch. so lets not take similar sounding words and make a connection.

>

.........................................

>

 

I seriously doubt it is by design, Kochu. Certainly India and Hindu are complex

subjects and it is easy to get lost in all the details. Thanks for

explaining the connection between Radha and Krishna.

 

As for languages, sometimes it is the case that words are the same, such as the

word for Tie ( that men wear on their shirts ) is the same in German as it is in

Serbian. Though this is the exception to the rule. I guess it's always best to

ask, when one does not know.

 

Blessings,

Cathie

 

 

 

 

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/6/2004 10:31:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

kochu1tz writes:

> i am afraid of posting because my language is straight. It is taken as

> insulting by some westerners.

>

> I have seen enough "by design" that i try to look at motives. The

> commonality of what is spoken in Europe does not mean there are equivalents in

> Sanskrit.

 

Thanks for explaining this Kochu.

It's hard to pick up such things as language skills sometimes on e-mail cuz

one cannot Hear whether a person has an accent.

 

Of course it is not fair that everyone speaks english -- which is a second

langauge for some, and the only language for others.

 

I know there is all sort of "by design" on the internet, but still I suspect

that those actively participating in this group, are here "by design" to learn

as well as to share.

 

Maybe it seems frustrating to somebody to whom all these things seem

familiar, when another one from another culture tries to make sense of it all

and

thinks they are doing pretty well, and instead they are getting it all wrong.

I'm

sure it's frustrating to be constantly having to clear up confusion. Endless

Questions. The concerns of a foreign culture such as American ( and

has surely been instrumental in attracting large numbers of

Americans to

your group, most of whom (myself included ) are extremely clueless about Hindu

culture, so that at every turn it is easy to get something wrong, very easy,

cuz one doesn't recognize where the flaws in thinking are.) -- the concerns of

a foreigh culture that is so different.

 

Still, I have always had a great respect for India, and an intrigue, and I

suppose this is true of many who are here who are Americans, lurking quietly in

the shadows.

 

Indeed, my husband lost all his overtime pay, and we are now struggling

financially due to his company having recently shipped many of it's jobs over

sees

to India.

 

Recently, I got a call from a business that was a survey to ask me how the

service was. The woman who made the call had a slightly detectible and unusual

accent. I'm used to hearing Spanish accent around these parts and I am

familiar with German accent and a few others, but this was different. It wasn't

until near the end of the call that I realized and thought to myself: "this

woman

is talking to me from India" ( from a call center in India ). When I

realized this I felt a little silenced with awe. Of course long distance is

expensive and I could not afford an expensive call to India even if I knew

somebody to

call in India ( and one time I tried to call a guru in India but it was the

wrong time of day and I got an answering machine and decided it was too

expensive and gave up ). I cannot afford to travel to India and I thought to

myself,

how I could have made better use of my time on the phone, and at least asked

"so, How is the Weather over there?" the way people in my country are always

making small-talk about the weather. Or, "So, where in India are you calling

from ? What city?" I got the feeling the woman felt proud like she was doing

a good job and speaking english very well and that maybe I didn't even

realize she was calling me from India, and I felt a kind of silence come from

her as

well, like the one I was feeling.

 

And so, we have not much knowledge of one another, and yet here we are, all

in one space, trying to be respectful ( most of us anyways and even the ones

who complain I feel do so from concerns that are very real to them in their

hearts ), yet SO curious. So wanting to make some contact with this other

culture

we know nothing about yet with whom our fates are entangled.

 

Blessings of the Goddess,

Cathie

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the understanding; I am not a very patient old man. I am sure by

and by you will like me.

 

Kochu

 

SophiasHeaven wrote:

In a message dated 10/6/2004 10:31:50 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

kochu1tz writes:

> i am afraid of posting because my language is straight. It is taken as

> insulting by some westerners.

>

> I have seen enough "by design" that i try to look at motives. The

> commonality of what is spoken in Europe does not mean there are equivalents in

> Sanskrit.

 

Thanks for explaining this Kochu.

It's hard to pick up such things as language skills sometimes on e-mail cuz

one cannot Hear whether a person has an accent.

 

Of course it is not fair that everyone speaks english -- which is a second

langauge for some, and the only language for others.

 

I know there is all sort of "by design" on the internet, but still I suspect

that those actively participating in this group, are here "by design" to learn

as well as to share.

 

Maybe it seems frustrating to somebody to whom all these things seem

familiar, when another one from another culture tries to make sense of it all

and

thinks they are doing pretty well, and instead they are getting it all wrong.

I'm

sure it's frustrating to be constantly having to clear up confusion. Endless

Questions. The concerns of a foreign culture such as American ( and

has surely been instrumental in attracting large numbers of

Americans to

your group, most of whom (myself included ) are extremely clueless about Hindu

culture, so that at every turn it is easy to get something wrong, very easy,

cuz one doesn't recognize where the flaws in thinking are.) -- the concerns of

a foreigh culture that is so different.

 

Still, I have always had a great respect for India, and an intrigue, and I

suppose this is true of many who are here who are Americans, lurking quietly in

the shadows.

 

Indeed, my husband lost all his overtime pay, and we are now struggling

financially due to his company having recently shipped many of it's jobs over

sees

to India.

 

Recently, I got a call from a business that was a survey to ask me how the

service was. The woman who made the call had a slightly detectible and unusual

accent. I'm used to hearing Spanish accent around these parts and I am

familiar with German accent and a few others, but this was different. It wasn't

until near the end of the call that I realized and thought to myself: "this

woman

is talking to me from India" ( from a call center in India ). When I

realized this I felt a little silenced with awe. Of course long distance is

expensive and I could not afford an expensive call to India even if I knew

somebody to

call in India ( and one time I tried to call a guru in India but it was the

wrong time of day and I got an answering machine and decided it was too

expensive and gave up ). I cannot afford to travel to India and I thought to

myself,

how I could have made better use of my time on the phone, and at least asked

"so, How is the Weather over there?" the way people in my country are always

making small-talk about the weather. Or, "So, where in India are you calling

from ? What city?" I got the feeling the woman felt proud like she was doing

a good job and speaking english very well and that maybe I didn't even

realize she was calling me from India, and I felt a kind of silence come from

her as

well, like the one I was feeling.

 

And so, we have not much knowledge of one another, and yet here we are, all

in one space, trying to be respectful ( most of us anyways and even the ones

who complain I feel do so from concerns that are very real to them in their

hearts ), yet SO curious. So wanting to make some contact with this other

culture

we know nothing about yet with whom our fates are entangled.

 

Blessings of the Goddess,

Cathie

 

 

 

 

 

/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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With due respect rada don't mean slave in Serbian. Rad ais derived from Radmila

(someone female who like to work). And tehere were feudalism under the Turkish

government, not slavery in exact sense. Sorry.

 

At 14:00 6.10.2004 -0700, you wrote:

>Radha is the alter ego of Krishna. Withot radha there is no Krishna and without

Krishna there is no Radha. so the saying goes.

>Lets not confuse languages. In Sanskrit "Usha" is dawn; in Ibo (in Nigeria) it

means Bitch. so lets not take similar sounding words and make a connection.

>

>Oh yes people who are not amiliar with the systems and want to pretend to be

scholrs make up a lot of things.

>I remember an assistant professor or something from Harvard saying that "Yavana

Jataka" is greek astrology!! when the name is deried from the name of the author

Sphoojidha dwaja yavana raja - a King of present day gujarat, who clearly said

the time of writing is around 73 BC (not his words; he gave his time in kali

days and if we calculate it is 73 BC); that he is a brahmin etc. These this

great professor ignored and latched on to the word "yavana" which ALSO meant

Greek.

>It is this wrong usage that has resulted in LOT OF MISINFORMATION propagated

maily by westerners either b design or gorance.

>SophiasHeaven wrote:

>In a message dated 10/6/2004 2:28:30 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

>kochu1tz writes:

>

>> Let me make one thing clear

>> where krishna is worshipped Radha too is; where shiva- uma too. And a

vaishnavite will go to shiva Devi temple and vice versa. It is those who have no

firsthand experience that one goes to talk the nonsense of sects.

>>

>>

>

>Does Radha have equal status? What does the word Radha mean? My grandmother

was a Serbian slave and they called her Rada which means Servant. I know

Serbian is not the same language as Hindi, and Radha must mean something else

besides servant...

>At any rate, I have never heard of Radha, only of Krishna, so there is some

discrepancy in my own country at least, in the importance attributed to each.

>Obviously Krishna is given more importance, by SOMEBODY, even if not by Hindus,

or I would be equally as familiar with Radha, who's name I have never heard

>before this moment.

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In a message dated 10/17/2004 10:05:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

gwydion writes:

> With due respect rada don't mean slave in Serbian. Rad ais derived from

> Radmila (someone female who like to work). And tehere were feudalism under the

> Turkish government, not slavery in exact sense. Sorry.

 

You are of course correct, that Rada means Worker,

however, when I said my grandmother was a Serbian slave, that was a

subjective evaluation of the situation by me, a 41 yr old feminist. Everything

is

relative of course, and my grandmother was not LITERALLY a slave, to be sure.

But then, there is more to that situation that is not appropriate to got into

on this forum.

 

Blessings and Peace,

Cathie

 

 

 

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You have right, let's we go back to the forum topics ...

 

At 15:31 17.10.2004 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 10/17/2004 10:05:00 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

>gwydion writes:

>

>> With due respect rada don't mean slave in Serbian. Rad ais derived from

>> Radmila (someone female who like to work). And tehere were feudalism under

the

>> Turkish government, not slavery in exact sense. Sorry.

>

>You are of course correct, that Rada means Worker,

>however, when I said my grandmother was a Serbian slave, that was a

>subjective evaluation of the situation by me, a 41 yr old feminist.

Everything is

>relative of course, and my grandmother was not LITERALLY a slave, to be sure.

>But then, there is more to that situation that is not appropriate to got into

>on this forum.

>

>Blessings and Peace,

>Cathie

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