Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 For what it's worth, I realized recently (having been told by a long-standing member, off-list, with a grin and a wink) that Devi Bhakta is no woman but a Man !!! Oh my !!! ;-) All this time -- all these years I have always thought, because of the Name Devi, that he is a woman. Devi has been very gracious to me over the years, when intermittently we have talked. Devi has been a member ( as has Nora ) on my original group, Sophia, for a long time, before I took it down and had to put it back up again. All these things have transpired and all this time has passed. Looking back I see where there have been little "clues" that I simply overlooked. When I discovered this great truth, that Devi Bhakta is a man, what did I feel? Should I apologize for mistaking a man for a woman, over the net where one cannot see the body? I feel not. To apologize would be to insinuate it is better to be a man than a woman and to be thought a woman is an insult, and it is not. This group is devoted to Shaktism, and for that I experience this group as a Presense of the Feminine Divine on the internet. As for Devi, I think not better or worse of him for being a man. Just a little surprised ! Just my two Cents worth, Blessings, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 In a message dated 10/10/04 12:39:39 PM US Mountain Standard Time, SophiasHeaven writes: > Should I apologize for mistaking a man for a woman, over the net where > one cannot see the body? > I feel not. To apologize would be to insinuate it is better to be a > man than a woman and to be thought a woman is an insult, and it is not. > This group is devoted to Shaktism, and for that I experience this > group as a Presense of the Feminine Divine on the internet. > As for Devi, I think not better or worse of him for being a man. > Should you apologize for mistakenly thinking someone is a man or a woman on an internet list such as this? Of course not. If people keep calling you on making one presumption after another that turn out to be false, is it time for a bit of self-examination? Perhaps so. CC ^..^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 Dear Cathie: Well, the name Devi Bhakta means "devotee of the Goddess",and " is the masculine for "devotee", so the clue was there all along, it is simply that you don't know Sanskrit! I believe the feminine of "bhakta" is bhaktini".Indian men seem to have no problem with carrying around female deity-names,though, but it is not common, I have noticed, for women to have the names of male deities. I have seen men named "Saraswati" but I do not recall seeing any woman carrying around the name "Krishna", for instance. This is not to say it doesn't happen, just that it seems relatively rare. Lilith M. --- SophiasHeaven wrote: > For what it's worth, I realized recently > (having been told by a > long-standing member, off-list, with a grin and a > wink) that Devi Bhakta is no > woman but a Man !!! > Oh my !!! ;-) All this time -- all these > years I have always > thought, because of the Name Devi, that he is a > woman. Devi has been very gracious > to me over the years, when intermittently we have > talked. > Devi has been a member ( as has Nora ) on my > original group, > Sophia, for a long time, before I took it > down and had to put it back up > again. > All these things have transpired and all this > time has passed. > Looking back I see where there have been little > "clues" that I simply overlooked. > When I discovered this great truth, that Devi > Bhakta is a man, what > did I feel? > Should I apologize for mistaking a man for a > woman, over the net where > one cannot see the body? > I feel not. To apologize would be to > insinuate it is better to be a > man than a woman and to be thought a woman is an > insult, and it is not. > This group is devoted to Shaktism, and for > that I experience this > group as a Presense of the Feminine Divine on the > internet. > As for Devi, I think not better or worse of > him for being a man. > Just a little surprised ! > > Just my two Cents worth, > Blessings, > Cathie > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 In a message dated 10/10/2004 6:18:17 PM Mountain Daylight Time, angelusmortiis writes: > *grins* I always knew that Devi Bhakta was male. All that the name told me > > was that he was a Goddess [Devi] Devotee [bhakta], correct me if I am > wrong...is that what the name means? > No worries though - there was someone that came across as feminine to me in > the past, just for me to find out that "she" was a he. Sometimes it is hard > > to make any judgments (such as gender, etc) over the web. > > > Blessings, > Anya Yes. I just figured that part out. Devi Bhakta means a devotee of Devi. Blessings, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 *grins* I always knew that Devi Bhakta was male. All that the name told me was that he was a Goddess [Devi] Devotee [bhakta], correct me if I am wrong...is that what the name means? No worries though - there was someone that came across as feminine to me in the past, just for me to find out that "she" was a he. Sometimes it is hard to make any judgments (such as gender, etc) over the web. Blessings, >SophiasHeaven > > > A Word on Gender -- especially for Devi Bhakta >Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:38:32 EDT > > For what it's worth, I realized recently (having been told by a >long-standing member, off-list, with a grin and a wink) that Devi Bhakta is >no >woman but a Man !!! > Oh my !!! ;-) All this time -- all these years I have always >thought, because of the Name Devi, that he is a woman. Devi has been very >gracious >to me over the years, when intermittently we have talked. > Devi has been a member ( as has Nora ) on my original group, >Sophia, for a long time, before I took it down and had to put it >back up >again. > All these things have transpired and all this time has passed. >Looking back I see where there have been little "clues" that I simply >overlooked. > When I discovered this great truth, that Devi Bhakta is a man, what >did I feel? > Should I apologize for mistaking a man for a woman, over the net >where >one cannot see the body? > I feel not. To apologize would be to insinuate it is better to be >a >man than a woman and to be thought a woman is an insult, and it is not. > This group is devoted to Shaktism, and for that I experience this >group as a Presense of the Feminine Divine on the internet. > As for Devi, I think not better or worse of him for being a man. > Just a little surprised ! > >Just my two Cents worth, >Blessings, >Cathie > > > > _______________ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2004 Report Share Posted October 10, 2004 ;-) Very interesting Lilith, Interesting also that in America, it is ok for women to wear blue jeans, but not for men to wear skirts! Oy Vey ! When I was back in college, I remember how my brain would turn to mush if I wore a skirt to class. Now I'm old hat. I could do just about anything in that cheap $12 rit dyed wine red sleeveless summer dress, including haul a wheelbarrow of sand up from the bottom corner of the yard, back to the top. It always troubled me however, being so surrouned by the toxic womb of so much Western Religion which has created a barren Wasteland Absence of the Feminine Divine, to have to think exclusively in terms of male Divinity. And you know, so much Christian Theology says a woman has to become like a man to be saved. So, very interesting indeed. Hugz, Cathie (who's prefer to have the name of a Female Deity ;-) In a message dated 10/10/2004 9:27:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, sephirah5 writes: > Dear Cathie: > Well, the name Devi Bhakta means "devotee of the > Goddess",and " is the masculine for "devotee", so the > clue was there all along, it is simply that you don't > know Sanskrit! I believe the feminine of "bhakta" is > bhaktini".Indian men seem to have no problem with > carrying around female deity-names,though, but it is > not common, I have noticed, for women to have the > names of male deities. I have seen men named > "Saraswati" but I do not recall seeing any woman > carrying around the name "Krishna", for instance. This > is not to say it doesn't happen, just that it seems > relatively rare. > Lilith M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 Yikes. Sorry about all that. I am aware that the ID has caused confusion in the past. I considered changing it for a while, but was told by most that this would create even *more* confusion at this late date. So I suppose we're stuck with the ambiguity now. (Pretty kinky, eh?) *lol* But Lilith is right about the Sanskrit "clue." Another clue is the big "M" next to gender on my Profile page. :-p Lilith wrote: *** I have seen men named "Saraswati" but I do not recall seeing any woman carrying around the name "Krishna", for instance. *** Saraswati can be an ordinary male first name (as in the famous old classic film, "Saraswati Chandra"); but it can also be appended to a monastic or initiatory name. Krishna can most certainly be a woman's first name, and it is not an uncommon one, perhaps especially in West Bengal. All in all, Hindus aren't too hung up on such matters. Cathie wrote: *** This group is devoted to Shaktism, and for that I experience this group as a Presense of the Feminine Divine on the internet. *** Thank you. :-) *** As for Devi, I think not better or worse of him for being a man. *** Again, thank you. ;-) DB , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > > Dear Cathie: > Well, the name Devi Bhakta means "devotee of the > Goddess",and " is the masculine for "devotee", so the > clue was there all along, it is simply that you don't > know Sanskrit! I believe the feminine of "bhakta" is > bhaktini".Indian men seem to have no problem with > carrying around female deity-names,though, but it is > not common, I have noticed, for women to have the > names of male deities. I have seen men named > "Saraswati" but I do not recall seeing any woman > carrying around the name "Krishna", for instance. This > is not to say it doesn't happen, just that it seems > relatively rare. > Lilith M. > --- SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > > > For what it's worth, I realized recently > > (having been told by a > > long-standing member, off-list, with a grin and a > > wink) that Devi Bhakta is no > > woman but a Man !!! > > Oh my !!! ;-) All this time -- all these > > years I have always > > thought, because of the Name Devi, that he is a > > woman. Devi has been very gracious > > to me over the years, when intermittently we have > > talked. > > Devi has been a member ( as has Nora ) on my > > original group, > > Sophia@t..., for a long time, before I took it > > down and had to put it back up > > again. > > All these things have transpired and all this > > time has passed. > > Looking back I see where there have been little > > "clues" that I simply overlooked. > > When I discovered this great truth, that Devi > > Bhakta is a man, what > > did I feel? > > Should I apologize for mistaking a man for a > > woman, over the net where > > one cannot see the body? > > I feel not. To apologize would be to > > insinuate it is better to be a > > man than a woman and to be thought a woman is an > > insult, and it is not. > > This group is devoted to Shaktism, and for > > that I experience this > > group as a Presense of the Feminine Divine on the > > internet. > > As for Devi, I think not better or worse of > > him for being a man. > > Just a little surprised ! > > > > Just my two Cents worth, > > Blessings, > > Cathie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 in fact "Krishna" is the name of Subhadra wife of Arjuna. Devi Bhakta <devi_bhakta wrote: Yikes. Sorry about all that. I am aware that the ID has caused confusion in the past. I considered changing it for a while, but was told by most that this would create even *more* confusion at this late date. So I suppose we're stuck with the ambiguity now. (Pretty kinky, eh?) *lol* But Lilith is right about the Sanskrit "clue." Another clue is the big "M" next to gender on my Profile page. :-p Lilith wrote: *** I have seen men named "Saraswati" but I do not recall seeing any woman carrying around the name "Krishna", for instance. *** Saraswati can be an ordinary male first name (as in the famous old classic film, "Saraswati Chandra"); but it can also be appended to a monastic or initiatory name. Krishna can most certainly be a woman's first name, and it is not an uncommon one, perhaps especially in West Bengal. All in all, Hindus aren't too hung up on such matters. Cathie wrote: *** This group is devoted to Shaktism, and for that I experience this group as a Presense of the Feminine Divine on the internet. *** Thank you. :-) *** As for Devi, I think not better or worse of him for being a man. *** Again, thank you. ;-) DB , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > > Dear Cathie: > Well, the name Devi Bhakta means "devotee of the > Goddess",and " is the masculine for "devotee", so the > clue was there all along, it is simply that you don't > know Sanskrit! I believe the feminine of "bhakta" is > bhaktini".Indian men seem to have no problem with > carrying around female deity-names,though, but it is > not common, I have noticed, for women to have the > names of male deities. I have seen men named > "Saraswati" but I do not recall seeing any woman > carrying around the name "Krishna", for instance. This > is not to say it doesn't happen, just that it seems > relatively rare. > Lilith M. > --- SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > > > For what it's worth, I realized recently > > (having been told by a > > long-standing member, off-list, with a grin and a > > wink) that Devi Bhakta is no > > woman but a Man !!! > > Oh my !!! ;-) All this time -- all these > > years I have always > > thought, because of the Name Devi, that he is a > > woman. Devi has been very gracious > > to me over the years, when intermittently we have > > talked. > > Devi has been a member ( as has Nora ) on my > > original group, > > Sophia@t..., for a long time, before I took it > > down and had to put it back up > > again. > > All these things have transpired and all this > > time has passed. > > Looking back I see where there have been little > > "clues" that I simply overlooked. > > When I discovered this great truth, that Devi > > Bhakta is a man, what > > did I feel? > > Should I apologize for mistaking a man for a > > woman, over the net where > > one cannot see the body? > > I feel not. To apologize would be to > > insinuate it is better to be a > > man than a woman and to be thought a woman is an > > insult, and it is not. > > This group is devoted to Shaktism, and for > > that I experience this > > group as a Presense of the Feminine Divine on the > > internet. > > As for Devi, I think not better or worse of > > him for being a man. > > Just a little surprised ! > > > > Just my two Cents worth, > > Blessings, > > Cathie > > / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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