regarding First five Sadhana practices - essential notes

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93

Greetings!

Again i interfere . I`m aware that usually ppl are unhappy with my

postings LOL, but a few may appreciate. So,

 

, "omprem" <omprem> wrote:

>

> Sadhana is practical mysticism. It consists of performing those

> actions that decondition your mind, that increase the vibration of

> the mind, and that remove obstacles to the movement of prana,

> especially kundalini.

 

I really wonder what is mystic in keeping diet LOL... Diet is a matter

of medical science, not spiritual path.

Of course some kind of food isn`t healthy; but it is a big mistake to

mix worldly matters with spiritual. Whether u eat meat or not doesn`t

by itself effect ur consciousness. And alchohol is used in sadhanas -

if u are capable of them.

If u know, scriptures of hinduism do not prohibit meat. In fact both

Vedas and Tantras prescribe it in ritual context. However i can agree

that generally no-meat diet is good (but fish and sea-foods are

essential for health).

 

Meditation is not an exercise . Without proper understanding what is

meditation it is difficult to succeed. Thus it is preferable to view

meditation as it is from the very beginning - as a freedom of

consciousness, freedom from thought, as being the witness.

 

The MOST essential "sadhana" is prayer to God (True Living God, Who is

Love - whatever name u use).

 

The rule of upadesha is to give upayas (methods) from up to down.

Thus, we have to tell people that "Only Love saves". If u are in Love,

nothing is needed more.

No effort brings us to God. Only His mercy lifts us up - to Him...

Plz keep this always in ur hearts. Sadhana is nothing, just some

attempts to reach true prayer, repentance, meditation, Love...

 

Apart from advise to meditate no rule given here is connected to any

kind of true mysticism...

If to speak about outer things, we should give charya-pada, ethics.

This is essential, not what u eat and how much u sleep.

Kularnava makes fun of so called "yogis" and "sattvic people" who

think that Liberation is achieved by means of outer things.

 

ONLY LOVE SAVES...

 

> My list of the first five is:

>

> 1. You are what you ingest so watch your diet and everything else

> that you take into the body. This means no smoking, no alcohol,

> no recreational drugs, resist taking over-the-counter remedies,

> be wary of pharmeceuticals.

>

> Reject tamasic foods - beef and pork, garlic, onions,

> mushrooms, processed foods, stale or rotten or unclean foods,

> and half-cooked or twice cooked foods.

>

> Reject rajasic foods - other meats, fish, eggs, tea, coffee, cocoa,

> chillies, prepared mustards, spices, highly seasoned foods,

> white sugar, radishes, deep fried foods, and foods that are

> excessively hot, bitter, sour, salty and pungent.

>

> Select sattvic foods - milk, butter, cheese, yogurt, cereals,

> pulses, fruits, vegetables, nuts, coconut, dried ginger,

> sugarcane, molasses and honey.

>

> 2. (a) meditate daily. The best time for meditation is early

> morning, 4:00 - 6:00 am. This is known as Brahmamuhurta.

> Dusk is also a good time for meditation.

>

> 2. (b) You are what you think. Think positively all the time. If you

> have negative thoughts/emotions regarding some person or

> event then you have not understood the sitiuation properly..

>

> 3. Practice a physical exercise that is designed to unblock nadis

> and encourage prana flows - yoga, tai chi, chi gong.

>

> 4. Be properly rested. This refers to getting enough sleep (8

> hours is too much). But it also refers to going through your day

> with a peaceful, detached mind that is able to discriminate

> between the divine and the profane in yourself and in everything

> that you encounter.

>

> 5. Be aware of your breath. Breath diaphragmatically all the time,

> inhale and exhale through the nose all the time, and practice

> pranayama.

[Guest guest]

"I really wonder what is mystic in keeping diet LOL... Diet is a

matter of medical science, not spiritual path."

 

 

Your beloved medical science is actually quite ignorant on how

the human body works, and on its interdependent relationship

with the other koshas that comprise a person.

 

For example, it is only this year that the Nobel Prize for Medicine

was given ot a couple of medical scientists for their work in

detailing how it is that we are able to smell odours. Of course, in

investigating the olfactory process, they missed entirely the

relationship between nasal breathing and the ida and pingala

nadis.

 

Another example, medical science has as yet no clear

awareness of why we yawn. But occultist and mystics know that

there are 5 major pranas and 5 minor pranas. One of the 5

minor pranas, Devadatta, is responsible for yawninng. The

question becomes, "Why out of all the operations of the

so-called body is yawning considered to be one of the top 10

operations?". Observation leads to postulate that yawning is

associated with a change of consciousness (and not always

from awake to asleep).

 

Medical science knows almost nothing about the human body. It

is only lately that medical science has reinstituted the practise of

applying leeches to wounds.

 

Medical science/ nutrition only looks at diet from their limited

view of the physical. It does not factor in the effect of diet on the

gunas or the doshas, either the ayurvedic doshas or the doshas

as 'defect'. It does not factor in the effect of diet on prana

formation, on the movement of prana or on the functioning of the

nadis.

 

Medical science does not consider the ethical implications of

what we eat. Perhaps there would be fewer meat eaters if they

actually had to kill the animals/birds/fish themselves. Also, the

terror of animals that are about to be slaughtered, has animpact

on their cellular memory, filling that memory with fear. We ingest

that fear with the meat. So, in the name of ahimsa towards

others and ourselves, we should not eat meat. But medical

science is completely oblivious to this fundamental fact.

 

Medical science is so backward still, it does not deserve its

recent elevation to godlike status.

 

 

 

" If u know, scriptures of hinduism do not prohibit meat. In fact

both Vedas and Tantras prescribe it in ritual context."

 

Is that along same ritual line as playing with shit?

 

 

 

" Meditation is not an exercise"

 

One level I agree with that but I do not believe that I ever claimed

it to be so.

 

Meditation is, initially, a practise, toward which we need to

develop and apply certain skills while attempting to meditate -

concentration, devotion, detachment, discrimination, serenity,

egolessness, equinimity and the yamas, not to mention simply

staying awake and in the present.

 

Meditation at its ultimate level is constant God/Goddess

consciousness. Here, there is not even a witness state but

complete identification with Brahman. Any thing less than that

requires technique and so could be considered a practise or

even perhaps an exercise.

 

 

"Thus, we have to tell people that "Only Love saves". If u are in

Love, nothing is needed more. No effort brings us to God. Only

His mercy lifts us up"

 

It is one thing tell people that they need to be 'in Love'; it is quite

another thing to suggest how they might arrive at that state.

Effort makes us capable of being in God's presences. Effort

enables us to leave behind dense vibrations and exist as

increasingly higher vibrations. Effort takes us to the threshhold of

God. But it is our complete surrender and the Grace of God and

Guru that enables us to cross that threshhold into God's

presence.

 

God helps those who help themselves. God helps those who

make the effort to resist temptation and turn their consciousness

to God.

 

Omprem

 

 

 

 

 

, "Arjuna Taradasa"

<bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

>

> 93

> Greetings!

> Again i interfere . I`m aware that usually ppl are unhappy with

my

> postings LOL, but a few may appreciate. So,

>

> , "omprem"

<omprem> wrote:

> >

> > Sadhana is practical mysticism. It consists of performing

those

> > actions that decondition your mind, that increase the vibration

of

> > the mind, and that remove obstacles to the movement of

prana,

> > especially kundalini.

>

> I really wonder what is mystic in keeping diet LOL... Diet is a

matter

> of medical science, not spiritual path.

> Of course some kind of food isn`t healthy; but it is a big

mistake to

> mix worldly matters with spiritual. Whether u eat meat or not

doesn`t

> by itself effect ur consciousness. And alchohol is used in

sadhanas -

> if u are capable of them.

> If u know, scriptures of hinduism do not prohibit meat. In fact

both

> Vedas and Tantras prescribe it in ritual context. However i can

agree

> that generally no-meat diet is good (but fish and sea-foods are

> essential for health).

>

> Meditation is not an exercise . Without proper understanding

what is

> meditation it is difficult to succeed. Thus it is preferable to view

> meditation as it is from the very beginning - as a freedom of

> consciousness, freedom from thought, as being the witness.

>

> The MOST essential "sadhana" is prayer to God (True Living

God, Who is

> Love - whatever name u use).

>

> The rule of upadesha is to give upayas (methods) from up to

down.

> Thus, we have to tell people that "Only Love saves". If u are in

Love,

> nothing is needed more.

> No effort brings us to God. Only His mercy lifts us up - to Him...

> Plz keep this always in ur hearts. Sadhana is nothing, just

some

> attempts to reach true prayer, repentance, meditation, Love...

>

> Apart from advise to meditate no rule given here is connected

to any

> kind of true mysticism...

> If to speak about outer things, we should give charya-pada,

ethics.

> This is essential, not what u eat and how much u sleep.

> Kularnava makes fun of so called "yogis" and "sattvic people"

who

> think that Liberation is achieved by means of outer things.

>

> ONLY LOVE SAVES...

>

>

> > My list of the first five is:

> >

> > 1. You are what you ingest so watch your diet and everything

else

> > that you take into the body. This means no smoking, no

alcohol,

> > no recreational drugs, resist taking over-the-counter

remedies,

> > be wary of pharmeceuticals.

> >

> > Reject tamasic foods - beef and pork, garlic, onions,

> > mushrooms, processed foods, stale or rotten or unclean

foods,

> > and half-cooked or twice cooked foods.

> >

> > Reject rajasic foods - other meats, fish, eggs, tea, coffee,

cocoa,

> > chillies, prepared mustards, spices, highly seasoned foods,

> > white sugar, radishes, deep fried foods, and foods that are

> > excessively hot, bitter, sour, salty and pungent.

> >

> > Select sattvic foods - milk, butter, cheese, yogurt, cereals,

> > pulses, fruits, vegetables, nuts, coconut, dried ginger,

> > sugarcane, molasses and honey.

> >

> > 2. (a) meditate daily. The best time for meditation is early

> > morning, 4:00 - 6:00 am. This is known as Brahmamuhurta.

> > Dusk is also a good time for meditation.

> >

> > 2. (b) You are what you think. Think positively all the time. If

you

> > have negative thoughts/emotions regarding some person or

> > event then you have not understood the sitiuation properly..

> >

> > 3. Practice a physical exercise that is designed to unblock

nadis

> > and encourage prana flows - yoga, tai chi, chi gong.

> >

> > 4. Be properly rested. This refers to getting enough sleep (8

> > hours is too much). But it also refers to going through your

day

> > with a peaceful, detached mind that is able to discriminate

> > between the divine and the profane in yourself and in

everything

> > that you encounter.

> >

> > 5. Be aware of your breath. Breath diaphragmatically all the

time,

> > inhale and exhale through the nose all the time, and practice

> > pranayama.

[Guest guest]

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, "omprem" <omprem> wrote:

>

> "I really wonder what is mystic in keeping diet LOL... Diet is a

> matter of medical science, not spiritual path."

>

> Your beloved medical science is actually quite ignorant on how

> the human body works, and on its interdependent relationship

> with the other koshas that comprise a person.

>

> Medical science is so backward still, it does not deserve its

> recent elevation to godlike status.

 

Nobody says medical science is perfect. But it is far more advanced

than so called "yoga" and "oriental medicine" in general.

I don`t reject that positive element which is present in "yogic" and

ayurvedic teachings. But we are not leaving in 12 century LOL. What we

read in ayurvedic samhitas is science (!) of that age. But time passed

.

In fact it is ayurveda that is ignorant. What classic text explain

functioning at least of physical body correctly? Only sankhya type

speculations we can find. But enumering pranas explains nothing.

Lastly, objective science is same everywhere - it is based of

exploring the world and not on the doubtful authority of medieval

scriptures. But ayurveda differs from chinese or thai medicine, from

the views of jews or arabs. Why? U will say that only indians had and

have true knowledge?

> " If u know, scriptures of hinduism do not prohibit meat. In fact

> both Vedas and Tantras prescribe it in ritual context."

>

> Is that along same ritual line as playing with shit?

 

Not at all. By "playing with shit" U may mean tibetan or some extreme

tantric practices - but they are NOT from scriptures.

Vedas PRESCRIBE animal sacrifices. Vedic Rishis ate meat - read!

Manava-dharmashastra says that "there is no sin in eating meat" (na

mAMsabhakShaNe doShaH).

Tantra uses meat in it`s most sacred ritual - eucharist of Kula, kula-

yaga.

Kauljnana-nirnaya (10 century kaula text) prohibits vegetarianism .

 

It is a different question whether to eat meat in general. For body it

may be good to stay away from red meats. What i say is connected with

ritual use only.

> "Thus, we have to tell people that "Only Love saves". If u are in

> Love, nothing is needed more. No effort brings us to God. Only

> His mercy lifts us up"

>

> It is one thing tell people that they need to be 'in Love'; it is

quite

> another thing to suggest how they might arrive at that state.

> Effort makes us capable of being in God's presences. Effort

> enables us to leave behind dense vibrations and exist as

> increasingly higher vibrations. Effort takes us to the threshhold of

> God. But it is our complete surrender and the Grace of God and

> Guru that enables us to cross that threshhold into God's

> presence.

 

This is ok. No problem in telling correct methods which may help in

fact if followed with proper motivation.

But what U listed is something different. That is why i argued. If U

said that were advices for long-living, case would be different.

 

Love is the law, love under will.

A.

[Guest guest]

I disagree. Current medical science is a product of the driving forces

of market, the basis is profit and not human health. In fact this sole

profit motive is the reason for the explosion in population. Killing

in a natural setting is understandable, we are seeing mass production

of living beings and killing in this planet, no wonder there's enough

unrest in this century.

 

Ancient yogis had power to leave a body and enter another body.

Can you demonstrate this in modern science. Take a fresh corpse and go

into savasana and enter that body. This much subtle knowledge is

enough proof of advancement.

 

Simple and advanced, advanced does not have to be complex.

 

> , "omprem" <omprem> wrote:

[Guest guest]

93

 

No doubt that there exists a market of drugs etc. However this doesn`t

change the fact that now medical science (and science in general) is

far more advanced than in medieval period.

What yogis [maybe] can do - parakaya-pravesha - is not a scientific

phenomenon thus it proves nothing. Objective science deal with matter,

nothing else.

BTW i believe u cannot DEMONSTRATE parkaya-pravesha-siddhi or cannot

make shava to raise up ...

 

 

, "malyavan_tibet"

<malyavan_tibet> wrote:

>

> I disagree. Current medical science is a product of the driving

forces

> of market, the basis is profit and not human health. In fact this

sole

> profit motive is the reason for the explosion in population. Killing

> in a natural setting is understandable, we are seeing mass

production

> of living beings and killing in this planet, no wonder there's

enough

> unrest in this century.

>

> Ancient yogis had power to leave a body and enter another body.

> Can you demonstrate this in modern science. Take a fresh corpse and

go

> into savasana and enter that body. This much subtle knowledge is

> enough proof of advancement.

>

> Simple and advanced, advanced does not have to be complex.

>

>

> > , "omprem" <omprem>

wrote:

[Guest guest]

" Nobody says medical science is perfect. But it is far more

advanced than so called "yoga" and "oriental medicine" in

general. I don`t reject that positive element which is present in

"yogic" and ayurvedic teachings. But we are not leaving in 12

century LOL. What we read in ayurvedic samhitas is science (!)

of that age. But time passed"

 

 

Yes, time has passed. But the so-called 'discoveries' of modern

science have only substantiated the claims of yoga and vedanta.

Science used an outward looking method to discover what was

known long ago by those using inward looking methods.

 

Physics, the science accorded the most god-like stature, has, in

all of its discoveries, only validated the messages of the ancient

seers. Nothing physics has discovered has invalidated anything

said by those ancient and modern seers. Everything physics has

discovered has been in accord with ancient wisdom. Quite a

feat for old, hopelessly out-dated people without material

means, wouldn't you say, to know more than modern physics

researchers with their billions of dollars of equipment?

 

"Lastly, objective science is same everywhere - it is based of

exploring the world"

 

But what constitutes the world? And what constitutes the human

body? Your beloved 'scientists' are only investigating what their

senses and instruments bring to their attention. Senses are

flawed - degrees of blindness, degrees of hearing loss, etc. In

addition, they have limited range. They can only be aware of

certain phenomena. Plus, the senses are selective and

influenced by the psychology of the perceiver. To know more,

they must design instruments to make them aware of what they

cannot know directly. So already there are several filters

screening your beloved from the knowledge they seek.

 

Medical scientist look only at they know as the physcial body. But

we know that there is no such thing as a physical body in the

material sense. There are no solid objects. Everything is energy

and is in constant flux. So, too, the body. If you now want to

consider the body as an energy system, then you are extending

the limits of the body beyond that normally seen by the

undeveloped senses of the medical scientist. You are now

including the pranamaya kosha in the definition of body. And now

you are closer to understanding how the body functions and

misfunctions.

 

For example, there is a rhythm of the breath that your medical

scientists cannot explain. At a given time, one of your nostrils will

be dominant. That is, it is easier to breath through one nostril

than the other. That situation changes every hour and 50

minutes, so that the other nostril becomes the dominant nostril.

This cycle continues day after day, year after year, with an

important exception that I will look at in a minute. Your medical

scientists cannot explain that cycle or its purpose.

 

Yogis and Ayurvedic physcians know that cycle to be associated

with the ida and pingala nadis. When the right nostril is

dominant, the energy in the pingala nadi is dominant and is

speeding up the physical and mental processes of the body.

When the left nostril is dominant, the prana in the ida nadi is

dominant and is slowing down the physical and mental

processes. Every two hours, your systems are being speeded

up, after which comes a two-hour period of your systems being

slowed.

 

Now, we come to the exceptions.

 

If the prana in the pingala nadi stays dominant for a much longer

period than its normal two hour cycle, you will be come ill with

problems related to systems speeding up. The most obvious

examples are fevers and cancer. Similarly, with the ida nadi's

prana being dominant, systems are destabilized into illness

such as poor circulation and coma at the graphic level.

 

Such prana imbalances will cause changes in the biochemical

makeup of the body.

 

The effects of such imbalance are well known in those circle that

you demean. It is the basis of such treatments as acupuncture,

which by the way, is a discipline that your beloved western

medical scientists are adopting. They may not understand, but

they know it works. Even these unsubtle clods cannot ignore the

obvious. Can you?

 

In addition, pranayama such as anuloma viloma will cause the

normal cycle of nostril dominance to change so that the air is

equal in each nostril, thus bringing the person into physcial and

mental balance.

 

In other words, the speeding up function is rajasic, the slowing

down function is tamasic and the balancing function is sattvic.

 

If more of your medical scientists had the subtlety of vision as

the acupuncturists, the ayurvedic physcians, the yogis, and other

such 'alternative' health practitioners, the world would have less

suffering in it.

 

Omprem

 

, "Arjuna Taradasa"

<bhagatirtha@m...> wrote:

>

> 93

>

> , "omprem"

<omprem> wrote:

> >

> > "I really wonder what is mystic in keeping diet LOL... Diet is a

> > matter of medical science, not spiritual path."

> >

> > Your beloved medical science is actually quite ignorant on

how

> > the human body works, and on its interdependent

relationship

> > with the other koshas that comprise a person.

> >

> > Medical science is so backward still, it does not deserve its

> > recent elevation to godlike status.

>

> Nobody says medical science is perfect. But it is far more

advanced

> than so called "yoga" and "oriental medicine" in general.

> I don`t reject that positive element which is present in "yogic"

and

> ayurvedic teachings. But we are not leaving in 12 century LOL.

What we

> read in ayurvedic samhitas is science (!) of that age. But time

passed

> .

> In fact it is ayurveda that is ignorant. What classic text explain

> functioning at least of physical body correctly? Only sankhya

type

> speculations we can find. But enumering pranas explains

nothing.

> Lastly, objective science is same everywhere - it is based of

> exploring the world and not on the doubtful authority of

medieval

> scriptures. Lastly, objective science is same everywhere - it is

based of

> exploring the world

>

> > " If u know, scriptures of hinduism do not prohibit meat. In

fact

> > both Vedas and Tantras prescribe it in ritual context."

> >

> > Is that along same ritual line as playing with shit?

>

> Not at all. By "playing with shit" U may mean tibetan or some

extreme

> tantric practices - but they are NOT from scriptures.

> Vedas PRESCRIBE animal sacrifices. Vedic Rishis ate meat -

read!

> Manava-dharmashastra says that "there is no sin in eating

meat" (na

> mAMsabhakShaNe doShaH).

> Tantra uses meat in it`s most sacred ritual - eucharist of Kula,

kula-

> yaga.

> Kauljnana-nirnaya (10 century kaula text) prohibits

vegetarianism .

>

> It is a different question whether to eat meat in general. For

body it

> may be good to stay away from red meats. What i say is

connected with

> ritual use only.

>

> > "Thus, we have to tell people that "Only Love saves". If u are

in

> > Love, nothing is needed more. No effort brings us to God.

Only

> > His mercy lifts us up"

> >

> > It is one thing tell people that they need to be 'in Love'; it is

> quite

> > another thing to suggest how they might arrive at that state.

> > Effort makes us capable of being in God's presences. Effort

> > enables us to leave behind dense vibrations and exist as

> > increasingly higher vibrations. Effort takes us to the

threshhold of

> > God. But it is our complete surrender and the Grace of God

and

> > Guru that enables us to cross that threshhold into God's

> > presence.

>

> This is ok. No problem in telling correct methods which may

help in

> fact if followed with proper motivation.

> But what U listed is something different. That is why i argued. If

U

> said that were advices for long-living, case would be different.

>

> Love is the law, love under will.

> A.