Guest guest Posted October 11, 2004 Report Share Posted October 11, 2004 --- Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha wrote: > 93 > Greetings! > Again i interfere . I`m aware that usually ppl are > unhappy with my> postings LOL, but a few may appreciate. #################################################### I guess I am rapidly becoming a member of THAT club, too! ############################################# > > , "omprem" > <omprem> wrote: > > > > Sadhana is practical mysticism. It consists of > performing those > > actions that decondition your mind, that increase > the vibration of > > the mind, and that remove obstacles to the > movement of prana, > > especially kundalini. > > I really wonder what is mystic in keeping diet > LOL... Diet is a matter > of medical science, not spiritual path. > Of course some kind of food isn`t healthy; but it is > a big mistake to > mix worldly matters with spiritual. Whether u eat > meat or not doesn`t > by itself effect ur consciousness. And alchohol is > used in sadhanas - > if u are capable of them. > If u know, scriptures of hinduism do not prohibit > meat. In fact both > Vedas and Tantras prescribe it in ritual context. > However i can agree > that generally no-meat diet is good (but fish and > sea-foods are > essential for health). ################################################ Vegetarianism is also much easier if you live in a tropical climate, as well! if you had to live up north, in Inuvik,say, a vegetarian diet would not serve you very well.The only real virtues of non-meat eating is to keep down your karmic burden, and to sensitize one's consciousness and perceptions, generally a bad idea if you live in a big city and have to deal with the stresses of such a life. It will not make you more "holy", as many people seem to think. If that were true, then a big chunk of India would have attained by now. ############################################### > > Meditation is not an exercise . Without proper > understanding what is > meditation it is difficult to succeed. Thus it is > preferable to view > meditation as it is from the very beginning - as a > freedom of > consciousness, freedom from thought, as being the > witness. ############################################## This is true. ################################################ > > The MOST essential "sadhana" is prayer to God (True > Living God, Who is > Love - whatever name u use). ################################################ Absolutely. One might also recall the First Commandment: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy mind, etc. if you get that one right, all the rest will follow. ############################################# > > The rule of upadesha is to give upayas (methods) > from up to down. > Thus, we have to tell people that "Only Love saves". > If u are in Love, > nothing is needed more. > No effort brings us to God. Only His mercy lifts us > up - to Him... > Plz keep this always in ur hearts. Sadhana is > nothing, just some > attempts to reach true prayer, repentance, > meditation, Love... > > Apart from advise to meditate no rule given here is > connected to any > kind of true mysticism... > If to speak about outer things, we should give > charya-pada, ethics. > This is essential, not what u eat and how much u > sleep. > Kularnava makes fun of so called "yogis" and > "sattvic people" who > think that Liberation is achieved by means of outer > things. > > ONLY LOVE SAVES... ################################################## True. And not just any love, either. It is the love you have for God, whatever you conceive God to be, that will carry you through, just as the Aghora Master Vimalananda says. Once you are in the lap of the Mother, you are safe forevermore.Krishna saysto Arjuna in the B-G, "For even if the greatest sinner worships me with all his heart and soul, he must be considered righteous, because of his righteous will... And he shall soon become pure and reach everlasting peace. for this is my word of promise, that he who loves Me shall not perish... Having come to this world of sorrow, which is transient, love thou Me... Give Me thy mind, and give Me thy heart...and thus with thy soul in harmony, and making Me thy goal supreme, thou shalt in truth come to Me... ##############################################3 I might also add that practicing pranayama is a bad idea, according to Vimalananda as well, because the air is so polluted nowadays, and you can do yourself a lot of damage unless you know what you are about. However, learning to breathe more slowly and thoroughly is not a bad idea, but proceed with caution. Lilith M. _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 In a message dated 10/12/2004 7:18:29 AM Mountain Daylight Time, sephirah5 writes: > Vegetarianism is also much easier if you live in a > tropical climate, as well! if you had to live up > north, in Inuvik,say, a vegetarian diet would not > serve you very well.The only real virtues of non-meat > eating is to keep down your karmic burden, and to > sensitize one's consciousness and perceptions, > generally a bad idea if you live in a big city and > have to deal with the stresses of such a life. It will > not make you more "holy", as many people seem to > think. If that were true, then a big chunk of India > would have attained by now. I agree with this totally and completely, and can offer also an excellent example. My own mother was a vegetarian/vegan for many years ( and just recently she's been eating a LITTLE bit ofmeat every now and then ) and she is entirely Unconcerned with spiritual realities and in fact thinks of most of them with a rationalists distrust. However, I guess if a person is very spiritual already, they may be drawn to vegetarianism due to a heightened empathy with their fellow creatures, the an imals, and I do believe that meat, especially overcooked meat, makes the body system sluggish. I've read a lot of nutrition books and meat is not the best thing for the body. There is the issue of vitamin B-=12 that nutritionists say humans need in their bodies and is onlyfound in meat and in small quantities in other sources. But my mom told me, having spent a week at the Whitaker clinic to learn how to live a vegan lifestyle, that she learned there that the average American eats SO MUCH MEAT that they could go without meat Easily for 5 years before exhausting the extra b-12 reserves in thier bodies. I do not believe there is any reaons why a person in a city or in the north would NEED to eat meat. My mom lived inthe north, for half the time she was vegetarian, and is one of thehealthiest most energetic andmentally alert people I know (simply not spiritual ;-) She also went sailing around the world withmy dad on a vegetarian diet and sailing is very rigorous. She was never weak. She is a very active person. Me personally, I don't beleive it is wrong to eat meat. But I have severely limited my intake and feel better for it. Blessings, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 Also, Cooking Meat at high temperatures such as in a 350Deg oven, destroys most or all of the vitamins. cooking Vegetables destroys most or all of the vitamins. cooking fruits destroys most or all of the vitamins. There is a lot of good solid reason why in the age of medical technology, disease proliferates, yet my cat who eats raw meat in the form of lizards, birds and mice she catches which are organic meat, eaten fresh after they are killed instantly, is the healthiest animal, no sickness, no disease. While humans find an increase in all sorts of diseases from mental illness to cancer. Not only do we overcook our foods destroying nutrients, but they are as mentioned before, often chemical laden with pesticides and growth hormones. When foods are grown organically on healthy soil, theyhave a higher nutrient content, and I even read recently, when tested by a light spectrum device (radiography?) they are shown to emit a higher vibration frequency than chemically treated conventionally grownproduce. Grains also slow the body down, as they contain powerful enzyme inhibitors. Soaking grains and seeds for a period of hours then draining them, removes the enzyme inhibitors and activates the grain/seeds life force for growing new life and have the highest nutrient content of all. Wheat bread, conventionally cooked, wheat blocks the bodies receptors to other nutrients such as minerals. So, there are plenty of good reasons to limit meat intake, and try to eat more raw foods. If this leads to a clearer mind, then for a person trying to clear and still their mind, it should be helpful to do so. Blessings, Cathie In a message dated 10/12/2004 8:00:03 AM Mountain Daylight Time, angelusmortiis writes: > > I basically concluded that everyone's body has different needs. Some > people's body fits well with a vegetarian diet, some people's bodies require > > a tad more meat; whether it be from just having the blood of their ancestors > > (blood type diet?), climate, etc. > > Of course, it could all be due to the fact that people do not know the > proper combinations of foods to make complete proteins and as pointed out by > > Cathie, the Vitamin B12 issue. > > Do Americans eat too much meat? I guess I cannot disagree; the Atkin's > craze is not helping this one bit (side note: this craze is one example of a > > diet taken to the extremes). In matter of fact, there are those 12 oz. > steaks advertised at special resturants when 6 oz. per meal (3-4 oz. is > sufficiant) is the maximum recommended by most health > professionals...correct me if I am wrong. > > On the other side of the coin, take away the craze and consider the meat > prices skyrocketting here, I would not be surprised to see more people > turning away from meat, by just cutting down their proportions or go > strictly vegetarian. > > Blessings, > Akashari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 I basically concluded that everyone's body has different needs. Some people's body fits well with a vegetarian diet, some people's bodies require a tad more meat; whether it be from just having the blood of their ancestors (blood type diet?), climate, etc. Of course, it could all be due to the fact that people do not know the proper combinations of foods to make complete proteins and as pointed out by Cathie, the Vitamin B12 issue. Do Americans eat too much meat? I guess I cannot disagree; the Atkin's craze is not helping this one bit (side note: this craze is one example of a diet taken to the extremes). In matter of fact, there are those 12 oz. steaks advertised at special resturants when 6 oz. per meal (3-4 oz. is sufficiant) is the maximum recommended by most health professionals...correct me if I am wrong. On the other side of the coin, take away the craze and consider the meat prices skyrocketting here, I would not be surprised to see more people turning away from meat, by just cutting down their proportions or go strictly vegetarian. Blessings, Akashari >SophiasHeaven > > >Re: First five Sadhana practices ; commentary >Tue, 12 Oct 2004 09:24:59 EDT > >In a message dated 10/12/2004 7:18:29 AM Mountain Daylight Time, >sephirah5 writes: > > > Vegetarianism is also much easier if you live in a > > tropical climate, as well! if you had to live up > > north, in Inuvik,say, a vegetarian diet would not > > serve you very well.The only real virtues of non-meat > > eating is to keep down your karmic burden, and to > > sensitize one's consciousness and perceptions, > > generally a bad idea if you live in a big city and > > have to deal with the stresses of such a life. It will > > not make you more "holy", as many people seem to > > think. If that were true, then a big chunk of India > > would have attained by now. > >I agree with this totally and completely, and can offer also an excellent >example. My own mother was a vegetarian/vegan for many years ( and just >recently >she's been eating a LITTLE bit ofmeat every now and then ) and she is >entirely Unconcerned with spiritual realities and in fact thinks of most of >them with >a rationalists distrust. > >However, I guess if a person is very spiritual already, they may be drawn >to >vegetarianism due to a heightened empathy with their fellow creatures, the >an >imals, and I do believe that meat, especially overcooked meat, makes the >body >system sluggish. I've read a lot of nutrition books and meat is not the >best >thing for the body. > >There is the issue of vitamin B-=12 that nutritionists say humans need in >their bodies and is onlyfound in meat and in small quantities in other >sources. >But my mom told me, having spent a week at the Whitaker clinic to learn >how >to live a vegan lifestyle, that she learned there that the average American >eats SO MUCH MEAT that they could go without meat Easily for 5 years before >exhausting the extra b-12 reserves in thier bodies. > >I do not believe there is any reaons why a person in a city or in the north >would NEED to eat meat. My mom lived inthe north, for half the time she >was >vegetarian, and is one of thehealthiest most energetic andmentally alert >people >I know (simply not spiritual ;-) > >She also went sailing around the world withmy dad on a vegetarian diet and >sailing is very rigorous. She was never weak. She is a very active >person. > >Me personally, I don't beleive it is wrong to eat meat. But I have >severely >limited my intake and feel better for it. > >Blessings, >Cathie > > > > _______________ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2004 Report Share Posted October 12, 2004 "Vegetarianism is also much easier if you live in a tropical climate, as well! if you had to live up north, in Inuvik,say, a vegetarian diet would not serve you very well.The only real virtues of non-meat eating is to keep down your karmic burden, and to sensitize one's consciousness and perceptions, generally a bad idea if you live in a big city and have to deal with the stresses of such a life. It will not make you more "holy", as many people seem to think. If that were true, then a big chunk of India would have attained by now." First, it is true that one could not survive in the Arctic without eating meat. So what, Eating meat is stil tamasic or rajasic depending on which flesh is being eaten. It still is an obstacle to spiritual development. Physical survival is not necessarily a major goal from a spiritual point of view. One of Patanjali's five kleshas or obstacles to spiritual attainment is attachment to life. Abstaining from meat does indeed keep down the karmic burden and sensitize one's consciousness and perceptions. Other parts of sadhana include learning grounding and shielding techniques so that you don't become overwhelmed by the negative energies of others. It seems you haven't learned these yet. " I might also add that practicing pranayama is a bad idea, according to Vimalananda as well, because the air is so polluted nowadays, and you can do yourself a lot of damage unless you know what you are about." Another piece of misinformation. Pranayama has little to do with air and everything to do with prana, hence the name. Poor air quality will effect one, regardless of whether one is doing pranayama or not. By doing pranayama, one boosts their prana, cleans out the nadis of karmic/psychological debris to encourage prana flow and balances the pranas of the chakras, all of which, on a physical level boost the immune system and therefore keeps one healthier than one's neighbour who does not do pranayama. Omprem , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > > --- Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > Greetings! > > Again i interfere . I`m aware that usually ppl are > > unhappy with my> postings LOL, but a few may > appreciate. > ################################################## ## > I guess I am rapidly becoming a member of THAT club, > too! > ############################################# > > > > , "omprem" > > <omprem> wrote: > > > > > > Sadhana is practical mysticism. It consists of > > performing those > > > actions that decondition your mind, that increase > > the vibration of > > > the mind, and that remove obstacles to the > > movement of prana, > > > especially kundalini. > > > > I really wonder what is mystic in keeping diet > > LOL... Diet is a matter > > of medical science, not spiritual path. > > Of course some kind of food isn`t healthy; but it is > > a big mistake to > > mix worldly matters with spiritual. Whether u eat > > meat or not doesn`t > > by itself effect ur consciousness. And alchohol is > > used in sadhanas - > > if u are capable of them. > > If u know, scriptures of hinduism do not prohibit > > meat. In fact both > > Vedas and Tantras prescribe it in ritual context. > > However i can agree > > that generally no-meat diet is good (but fish and > > sea-foods are > > essential for health). > ################################################ > Vegetarianism is also much easier if you live in a > tropical climate, as well! if you had to live up > north, in Inuvik,say, a vegetarian diet would not > serve you very well.The only real virtues of non-meat > eating is to keep down your karmic burden, and to > sensitize one's consciousness and perceptions, > generally a bad idea if you live in a big city and > have to deal with the stresses of such a life. It will > not make you more "holy", as many people seem to > think. If that were true, then a big chunk of India > would have attained by now. > ############################################### > > > > Meditation is not an exercise . Without proper > > understanding what is > > meditation it is difficult to succeed. Thus it is > > preferable to view > > meditation as it is from the very beginning - as a > > freedom of > > consciousness, freedom from thought, as being the > > witness. > ############################################## > This is true. > ################################################ > > > > The MOST essential "sadhana" is prayer to God (True > > Living God, Who is > > Love - whatever name u use). > ################################################ > Absolutely. One might also recall the First > Commandment: Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all > thy heart and all thy mind, etc. if you get that one > right, all the rest will follow. > ############################################# > > > > The rule of upadesha is to give upayas (methods) > > from up to down. > > Thus, we have to tell people that "Only Love saves". > > If u are in Love, > > nothing is needed more. > > No effort brings us to God. Only His mercy lifts us > > up - to Him... > > Plz keep this always in ur hearts. Sadhana is > > nothing, just some > > attempts to reach true prayer, repentance, > > meditation, Love... > > > > Apart from advise to meditate no rule given here is > > connected to any > > kind of true mysticism... > > If to speak about outer things, we should give > > charya-pada, ethics. > > This is essential, not what u eat and how much u > > sleep. > > Kularnava makes fun of so called "yogis" and > > "sattvic people" who > > think that Liberation is achieved by means of outer > > things. > > > > ONLY LOVE SAVES... > ################################################## > True. And not just any love, either. It is the love > you have for God, whatever you conceive God to be, > that will carry you through, just as the Aghora Master > Vimalananda says. Once you are in the lap of the > Mother, you are safe forevermore.Krishna saysto Arjuna > in the B-G, > "For even if the greatest sinner worships me with > all his heart and soul, he must be considered > righteous, because of his righteous will... > > And he shall soon become pure and reach everlasting > peace. for this is my word of promise, that he who > loves Me shall not perish... > > Having come to this world of sorrow, which is > transient, love thou Me... Give Me thy mind, and give > Me thy heart...and thus with thy soul in harmony, and > making Me thy goal supreme, thou shalt in truth come > to Me... > ##############################################3 > I might also add that practicing pranayama is a bad > idea, according to Vimalananda as well, because the > air is so polluted nowadays, and you can do yourself a > lot of damage unless you know what you are about. > However, learning to breathe more slowly and > thoroughly is not a bad idea, but proceed with > caution. > Lilith M. > > > > _______________________________ > > Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! > http://vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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