Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 93 Aim of life is not to "go somewhere", but to live in God and with God on this earth. God created this world not to escape from it but to dwell in it in joy. Yes now the world is "fallen", but it will be restored. Kashmiri shaivism call this state of bliss of/in the world "jagadananda", concidering it to be the highest one. Implicit in ur answer is lack of practical understanding of life. World is not a mirage, but a gift of God. That God who is God of Truth and Love... If u come to know Love - through His grace - u understand what i say. For those who love know God. , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > "Even gurus are human. If their science were perfect, they > would be capable of living forever in the human body because > they would transform it to immortality and perfectly redeem > their own flesh and have no need to die." > > > If one becomes perfected, why would he/she stay in a human > body with all of its limitations and in space and time with all > those limitations. The perfected being leaves the body and > merges into Brahman just as a raindrop merges into the ocean. > > Implicit in your question is an attachment to life. But all > attachment merely binds you to the mirage of the earthly plane. > Through your spiritual investigations you will change the > vibration of your consciousness and eventually take on the > vibration of Brahman. And then you will be home. > > Omprem > > > , SophiasHeaven@a... > wrote: > > It baffles me why you feel that people who see science as it is > -- as > > imperfect -- why you see them as being "against science" -- > > > > In the middle ages to be sure, scientists were persectuted for > expressing > > their own kind of Wisdom, which also had it's own element of > superstition. > > > > I do not understand the duality you see here. > > > > Sure the yogis had/have their own science and it is not > opposed to secular > > science, and surely their science has it's own limitations. All > truth expressed > > by humans in any kind of science, whether it is secular science > or spiritual > > science of yogis and spiritual healers, by virtue of it finding > expression > > through the limited vehicle of human expression, such as > language which also has > > obvious limits, is imperfect. > > > > There are spiritual healers in the West who do not go by the > exact science of > > the yogis, who achieve very high spiritual evolvement, refine > their spiritual > > bodies within the physical, thereby bringing light to the > darkness of matter. > > > > Still they are human and this cannot be denied. Even gurus > are human. If > > their science were perfect, they would be capable of living > forever in the human > > body because they would transform it to immortality and > perfectly redeem > > their own flesh and have no need to die. > > > > Why do you continue to insist that those who see secular > science as it is: as > > a human system with human flaws indemic to it, are somehow > against science. > > EVEN SCIENTISTS see science this way: as having > limitations. I used to work > > as a secretary for a VERY TALENTED biologist and even he > said that science is > > more like poetry than some scientists like to admit. > > > > You are creating this duality in your own mind, I feel. > > > > Blessings of the Goddess, > > Cathie > > In a message dated 10/14/2004 9:43:54 PM Mountain Daylight > Time, > > bhagatirtha@m... writes: > > > > > 93 > > > > > > Yet AC was very scientific and sceptic in his approach - that > can be > > > seen from his writings. > > > > > > Science in fact does have it`s limitations; but is has it`s > realm as > > > well. Ancient people had mythology - that is undestandable. > But what > > > is the use now to reject science and rely on myths? > > > We have to differentiate between spiritual path and coomon > life: for > > > meditation it is useful to percieve everything as manifestation > of > > > consciousness, but for physical needs we usually have to > make physical > > > efforts. > > > Whatever some people here say against modern science, > nevertheless > > > they still use electricity, transport, computers... They could > have > > > tried "mythological means" to travel to distant places, chant > several > > > billion times some kind of bhucharisiddhiprapti-mantra or > use magical > > > ointment LOL, but in spite of this they use technologies > based upon > > > science. Why? > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 You cannot say "myth is dangerous" and then say we have to know God, because you have just relegated the spiritual realm to the land of myth, and now you say we must live by knowing God and that is also a myth. IN essense, now there is nothingness. You are in a vast desert, without myth, without God. As soon as you try to describe God or what you think should be your response to God, you have created a myth. A myth is a record of your own belief and experience. Another may have his own myth to live by. Certainty is the illusion. In a message dated 10/15/2004 10:23:49 PM Mountain Daylight Time, bhagatirtha writes: > 93 > > Aim of life is not to "go somewhere", but to live in God and with God > on this earth. God created this world not to escape from it but to > dwell in it in joy. Yes now the world is "fallen", but it will be > restored. > Kashmiri shaivism call this state of bliss of/in the world > "jagadananda", concidering it to be the highest one. > Implicit in ur answer is lack of practical understanding of life. > World is not a mirage, but a gift of God. That God who is God of Truth > and Love... > If u come to know Love - through His grace - u understand what i say. > For those who love know God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 16, 2004 Report Share Posted October 16, 2004 There is a fine line between living in the world in joy and living in the the world to enjoy it. The former occurs when one is constantly aware of their divinity and that their diviinity is a part of the divinity that underlies and gives existencet to world. The latter occurs when one forgets/ignores their divinity and chooses to indulge the senses in the chimera of the 'world'. The world is a gift from God only if you recognize that the world is actually a metaphor for the internal processes in you that will take you to the divine. For example, the double helix of DNA draws our attention to the double helix of ida and pinglala. The entire world is like this. It constantly is forming and reforming in ways that attempt to capture our attention and inform our intuition and so bring us to a clear, unequivocal knowledge that we are divinity incarnate. There is no other purpose to life or to the world. Omprem , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > Aim of life is not to "go somewhere", but to live in God and with God > on this earth. God created this world not to escape from it but to > dwell in it in joy. Yes now the world is "fallen", but it will be > restored. > Kashmiri shaivism call this state of bliss of/in the world > "jagadananda", concidering it to be the highest one. > Implicit in ur answer is lack of practical understanding of life. > World is not a mirage, but a gift of God. That God who is God of Truth > and Love... > If u come to know Love - through His grace - u understand what i say. > For those who love know God. > > > , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > > > "Even gurus are human. If their science were perfect, they > > would be capable of living forever in the human body because > > they would transform it to immortality and perfectly redeem > > their own flesh and have no need to die." > > > > > > If one becomes perfected, why would he/she stay in a human > > body with all of its limitations and in space and time with all > > those limitations. The perfected being leaves the body and > > merges into Brahman just as a raindrop merges into the ocean. > > > > Implicit in your question is an attachment to life. But all > > attachment merely binds you to the mirage of the earthly plane. > > Through your spiritual investigations you will change the > > vibration of your consciousness and eventually take on the > > vibration of Brahman. And then you will be home. > > > > Omprem > > > > > > , SophiasHeaven@a... > > wrote: > > > It baffles me why you feel that people who see science as it is > > -- as > > > imperfect -- why you see them as being "against science" -- > > > > > > In the middle ages to be sure, scientists were persectuted for > > expressing > > > their own kind of Wisdom, which also had it's own element of > > superstition. > > > > > > I do not understand the duality you see here. > > > > > > Sure the yogis had/have their own science and it is not > > opposed to secular > > > science, and surely their science has it's own limitations. All > > truth expressed > > > by humans in any kind of science, whether it is secular science > > or spiritual > > > science of yogis and spiritual healers, by virtue of it finding > > expression > > > through the limited vehicle of human expression, such as > > language which also has > > > obvious limits, is imperfect. > > > > > > There are spiritual healers in the West who do not go by the > > exact science of > > > the yogis, who achieve very high spiritual evolvement, refine > > their spiritual > > > bodies within the physical, thereby bringing light to the > > darkness of matter. > > > > > > Still they are human and this cannot be denied. Even gurus > > are human. If > > > their science were perfect, they would be capable of living > > forever in the human > > > body because they would transform it to immortality and > > perfectly redeem > > > their own flesh and have no need to die. > > > > > > Why do you continue to insist that those who see secular > > science as it is: as > > > a human system with human flaws indemic to it, are somehow > > against science. > > > EVEN SCIENTISTS see science this way: as having > > limitations. I used to work > > > as a secretary for a VERY TALENTED biologist and even he > > said that science is > > > more like poetry than some scientists like to admit. > > > > > > You are creating this duality in your own mind, I feel. > > > > > > Blessings of the Goddess, > > > Cathie > > > In a message dated 10/14/2004 9:43:54 PM Mountain Daylight > > Time, > > > bhagatirtha@m... writes: > > > > > > > 93 > > > > > > > > Yet AC was very scientific and sceptic in his approach - that > > can be > > > > seen from his writings. > > > > > > > > Science in fact does have it`s limitations; but is has it`s > > realm as > > > > well. Ancient people had mythology - that is undestandable. > > But what > > > > is the use now to reject science and rely on myths? > > > > We have to differentiate between spiritual path and coomon > > life: for > > > > meditation it is useful to percieve everything as manifestation > > of > > > > consciousness, but for physical needs we usually have to > > make physical > > > > efforts. > > > > Whatever some people here say against modern science, > > nevertheless > > > > they still use electricity, transport, computers... They could > > have > > > > tried "mythological means" to travel to distant places, chant > > several > > > > billion times some kind of bhucharisiddhiprapti-mantra or > > use magical > > > > ointment LOL, but in spite of this they use technologies > > based upon > > > > science. Why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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