Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Yesterday I was reading something on yoga and nadis and realized that the nadis are not actual vein bundles but rather are of the spiritual body, not physical, like veins of energy running through the body and chakras. I mentioned this to one woman who i consider to be my teacher and she said the nadis are more like electricity, or ley lines ( energy lines that run through the earth and lightning strikes most often on the ley lines, recharging the earth). Another friend was also just telling me that the nadis are like breath, but they are not the physical breath they are the prana. I'm thinking somehow, it must be that they are both right, somehow. That somehow it has to do with air, but more like electricity. Like an electrical wind? Once, many years ago, in college, I fell into an afternoon sleep/trance, and felt something like energy/electrical currents running in a circuit through my body, like a loop, down and up. I didn't know what it was, but now that you are talking about electricity, I'm thinking I must have been feeling the energy running through the nadis that day. It really is hard to describe what I felt that day, but I'll never forget it. It went all the way down to my toes. I was lying on my back and my hands were resting across my solar plexus. I thought it felt like it was following the pathway like blood would follow in my veins, except it felt KINDA SORTA like electricity, only not. Is it the Breath that "Drives" it? I'm guessing this because of the idea that yogic breathing exercises regulate the flow of the nadis? i was lying in bed thinking last night, about that experience i had many years ago of the energy rushing in a great loop through my body even down to my toes and back up. i never knew what it was till now and now i suspect i was feeling the nadis then i was thinking about all the "trance" experiences i've felt ( that's what i call it cuz otherwise i have no other word for it), where i am in a kind of sleep state but wake up frozen, unable to moove,my body suspended in a feeling of electrical suspension, the vibration i can feel like electrical vibration. \ only the one time years ago did i feel the circular flow, but that time too the feeling of being frozen, my body suspended in an electrical field, unable to move, yet my mind awake and conscious. unable even to open myeyes. it happened again recently, about a month ago. i was realizing as i was falling asleep last night, that must also have been an experience of nadis -- of the electrical energy in mybody, but only the one time i felt it's circutous flow. usually all i feel is the feeling of electrical vibration that disablesme from moving. one time, about 10 yrs ago i guess, i was able to open my eyes and move, and when i relaxed and breathed "into" it, deeper, consciouslly allowing my breath to go deeper and relax "into it, i felt the vibration pick to a more heightened pitch in response to my breath. it must have been the nadis, now, is what i was thinking last night. interesting discovery and it has taken me til i'm 41 to discover it. i wonder now if there is some benefit of being in a state like that? if it is something i should seek out? and if so, how? peace, cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Thanks so much for this affirmation Omprem, I was talking to my teacher about it this morning and she also told me it is a good experience and one I should learn to be in control of, or master somehow? I can't remember here exact words. But, this is all very fascinating to me, and so I ordered a few more books on the subject of Prana, and made sure to get the ones written by authentic Hindu gurus. So, once these books ( as well as the library books arrive ), I won't have to pester you and my teacher with endless questions on every tiny thing. Of course, I'm guessing the books I ordered will provide me with other kinds of quesitons -- just not the endless minutia of endless simple ones... My teacher told me if I'm having spontaneous experiences like that, it means I have studied yoga in another lifetime, and I need to find a way to master it -- or, at least this would be best -- to find a way to get control of it. Then she said something about the Ida and Pingali Nadis that was kinda over my head and so I cannot relay it to you here. Thanks Omprem, Peace, Cathie In a message dated 10/17/2004 12:30:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time, omprem writes: > Your teacher was right in that nadis are like Ley lines. Your > friend is wrong. Those energy flows that you experience are > prana flowing through the nadis. Those flows will seem like > electricity at first until your mind, physical body and prannic body > get used to it and are purified more to enable the prana to flow > more freely. This is all part of the process of spiritual evolution. > Congratulations and continue to do what you are doing. > > > Omprem > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Hi Lilith, Thanks for your reply., Interesting your mention of Quabbalh, as I do have a teacher who is an expert at Quabbalah, as well as having studied with shamans and yogis. At any rate, there may have been some good in my being diverted from my course of taking up the solitary study of meditation at the tender age of 19, since, at that time I had no teacher, and nobody to guide me through pitfalls. Nobdy skilled in meditation, consciousness, or spirit bodies. I think each person finds the teacher that is most appropriate to him/her at the time. I'm happy with my teacher and feel very safe. She is wise, and I feel so lucky to know her as a friend and a teacher. She knows how to guide me for my own growth and safety. I'm not going to be fool hardy. :-] And I thank you for your reminder to exercise caution, and trust the gut. I've looked long and hard for a teacher. I thought I would never find one. Now I have one who gives me the most beautiful advice and Wisdom and does not throw challanges at me only is there to provide guidance when I come to her with questions, and her answers always seem to suit me, and help me, and to be filled with the most beautiful Wisdom. It's good for you, that you trusted your inner guidance, btw, regarding the puja, as you so poignantly relate, and as your experience proves, cuz as my own teacher taught me, it is always wise to trust inner guidance. The inner self knows, and if this inner self steers one away from certain people/teachers, practices/challanges, and studies/knowledge, then it is not the right time for one, or those are not the appropriate pursuits for one at least at that time. Even when the inner self leads on into challanges that bring hard lessons, it is for a reason, according to each one's karma, and lessons that one is attracted to. I'm at a point in my life, where I've developed my mind in all the ways that were familiar to me that my inner guidance brought me to along the way, and I understand what you mean about those synchronous appearances. I remember when I was young, how I would be drawn to certain books, walking into a bookstore, thinking of what i was looking for, and it would be there, unexpected though desired, as if just forme and waiting to answer my questions. Then a phase where books no longer were sufficient, and much frustration over the inability to find an adequate teacher -- one who could speak to me in a language that i could understand -- a "translator" of spiritual realms, if you will. Lillith: you and I are so much alike. We're both headstrong, obstinate, and maybe you are also like me in this regard too: in that I have read so many books, and taken each with a grain of salt, gleaning only that information as is appropriate to me, and somehow finding the discernment to leave the rest behind. Even this has been a lifelong practice and I get better at it with age. My stubborn tendency to think independently, even in the face of the supposedly expert advice of those who write things down in books, has at times seemed like a flaw, but in the long run, considering the things you say here, I'm thinking now at this phase in my life, a special kind of wisdom and a gift. Blessings and Hugz, Cathie In a message dated 10/17/2004 2:17:57 PM Mountain Daylight Time, sephirah5 writes: > Dear Cathie: > I have met more than a few people who are suffering > due to premature or incipient kundalini rising, in > fact I would say that a lot of people who are on > various medications for their mental states would be > much better served observing spiritual practices > instead. Once again I recommend Robert Svoboda's book > "Kundalini", the second in the Aghora series. > Kundalini opening is only the beginning of your > difficulties, if you do not know what to expect! Ask > Gopi Krishna, who accidentally opened his kundalini > only halfway and could find NOBODY to help him right > there in India, the LAND of kundalini! This is why you > are constantly enjoined to work only under the > guidance of a guru! Randomly practicing yogic > techniques, particularly pranayama, can do you a great > deal of harm. Also, since you are a Western person, > your karma is here, and so would likely be best served > by Western means, i.e. the Yoga of the West, or the > Hermetic Qabalah (NOT "kabbalah"!). That being said, I > took up Eastern practices at the behest of the Deities > themselves, who were following me around like puppy > dogs! For a while there I couldn't go ANYWHERE without > images of Lord Shiva and Ganesh popping up in my face! > I finally caved in and got a Shivalingam. People kept > saying that I should learn the puja, but I said "Not > unless a woman teaches me the puja". Not two weeks > later, an old (woman) friend who had been initiated in > Tantra since the last time we knew each other 12 years > previously, showed up in my life, looked around, and > offered to do puja with me. She was amazed when I told > her I knew bugger-all about Shiva Puja, and she told > me "Coulda fooled me..you've got everything you need > right here!" So, what could I do? We did Shiva Puja > together every Monday night for the next two years! > But I was specifically instructed by the Mother to > take up my Qabalistic studies again, and it threw an > incredible amount of light on Tantric practices. In > any case, a strong connection with a Deity is > essential if you are not to scuttle yourself, because > the Deity will then protect you from any errors you > may make. This is one of the benefits of Bhakti-Yoga, > as opposed to Jnana-Yoga. > Lilith M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Your teacher was right in that nadis are like Ley lines. Your friend is wrong. Those energy flows that you experience are prana flowing through the nadis. Those flows will seem like electricity at first until your mind, physical body and prannic body get used to it and are purified more to enable the prana to flow more freely. This is all part of the process of spiritual evolution. Congratulations and continue to do what you are doing. Omprem , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > Yesterday I was reading something on yoga and nadis and realized that > the nadis are not actual vein bundles but rather are of the spiritual body, > not physical, like veins of energy running through the body and chakras. > I mentioned this to one woman who i consider to be my teacher and she > said the nadis are more like electricity, or ley lines ( energy lines that run > through the earth and lightning strikes most often on the ley lines, > recharging the earth). > Another friend was also just telling me that the nadis are like > breath, but they are not the physical breath they are the prana. > I'm thinking somehow, it must be that they are both right, somehow. > That somehow it has to do with air, but more like electricity. Like an > electrical wind? > Once, many years ago, in college, I fell into an afternoon > sleep/trance, and felt something like energy/electrical currents running in a circuit > through my body, like a loop, down and up. I didn't know what it was, but now > that you are talking about electricity, I'm thinking I must have been feeling > the energy running through the nadis that day. > It really is hard to describe what I felt that day, but I'll never > forget it. It went all the way down to my toes. I was lying on my back and my > hands were resting across my solar plexus. I thought it felt like it was > following the pathway like blood would follow in my veins, except it felt KINDA > SORTA like electricity, only not. > Is it the Breath that "Drives" it? I'm guessing this because of the > idea that yogic breathing exercises regulate the flow of the nadis? > > i was lying in bed thinking last night, about that experience i > had many years ago of the energy rushing in a great loop through my body even > down to my toes and back up. > i never knew what it was till now and now i suspect i was feeling the > nadis > then i was thinking about all the "trance" experiences i've felt ( > that's what i call it cuz otherwise i have no other word for it), where i am in a > kind of sleep state but wake up frozen, unable to moove,my body suspended in > a feeling of electrical suspension, the vibration i can feel like electrical > vibration. > \ only the one time years ago did i feel the circular flow, but that > time too the feeling of being frozen, my body suspended in an electrical field, > unable to move, yet my mind awake and conscious. unable even to open myeyes. > it happened again recently, about a month ago. > i was realizing as i was falling asleep last night, that must also > have been an experience of nadis -- of the electrical energy in mybody, but only > the one time i felt it's circutous flow. usually all i feel is the feeling of > electrical vibration that disablesme from moving. > one time, about 10 yrs ago i guess, i was able to open my eyes and > move, and when i relaxed and breathed "into" it, deeper, consciouslly allowing > my breath to go deeper and relax "into it, i felt the vibration pick to a more > heightened pitch in response to my breath. > it must have been the nadis, now, is what i was thinking last night. > > interesting discovery and it has taken me til i'm 41 to discover it. > > i wonder now if there is some benefit of being in a state like that? > if it is something i should seek out? and if so, how? > > peace, > cathie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Dear Cathie: I have met more than a few people who are suffering due to premature or incipient kundalini rising, in fact I would say that a lot of people who are on various medications for their mental states would be much better served observing spiritual practices instead. Once again I recommend Robert Svoboda's book "Kundalini", the second in the Aghora series. Kundalini opening is only the beginning of your difficulties, if you do not know what to expect! Ask Gopi Krishna, who accidentally opened his kundalini only halfway and could find NOBODY to help him right there in India, the LAND of kundalini! This is why you are constantly enjoined to work only under the guidance of a guru! Randomly practicing yogic techniques, particularly pranayama, can do you a great deal of harm. Also, since you are a Western person, your karma is here, and so would likely be best served by Western means, i.e. the Yoga of the West, or the Hermetic Qabalah (NOT "kabbalah"!). That being said, I took up Eastern practices at the behest of the Deities themselves, who were following me around like puppy dogs! For a while there I couldn't go ANYWHERE without images of Lord Shiva and Ganesh popping up in my face! I finally caved in and got a Shivalingam. People kept saying that I should learn the puja, but I said "Not unless a woman teaches me the puja". Not two weeks later, an old (woman) friend who had been initiated in Tantra since the last time we knew each other 12 years previously, showed up in my life, looked around, and offered to do puja with me. She was amazed when I told her I knew bugger-all about Shiva Puja, and she told me "Coulda fooled me..you've got everything you need right here!" So, what could I do? We did Shiva Puja together every Monday night for the next two years! But I was specifically instructed by the Mother to take up my Qabalistic studies again, and it threw an incredible amount of light on Tantric practices. In any case, a strong connection with a Deity is essential if you are not to scuttle yourself, because the Deity will then protect you from any errors you may make. This is one of the benefits of Bhakti-Yoga, as opposed to Jnana-Yoga. Lilith M. --- SophiasHeaven wrote: > Thanks so much for this affirmation Omprem, > I was talking to my teacher about it this > morning and she also told me > it is a good experience and one I should learn to be > in control of, or master > somehow? I can't remember here exact words. > But, this is all very fascinating to me, and > so I ordered a few more > books on the subject of Prana, and made sure to get > the ones written by > authentic Hindu gurus. > So, once these books ( as well as the library > books arrive ), I won't > have to pester you and my teacher with endless > questions on every tiny thing. > Of course, I'm guessing the books I ordered > will provide me with other > kinds of quesitons -- just not the endless minutia > of endless simple ones... > My teacher told me if I'm having spontaneous > experiences like that, it > means I have studied yoga in another lifetime, and I > need to find a way to > master it -- or, at least this would be best -- to > find a way to get control of > it. > Then she said something about the Ida and > Pingali Nadis that was kinda > over my head and so I cannot relay it to you here. > > Thanks Omprem, > Peace, > Cathie > In a message dated 10/17/2004 12:30:55 PM Mountain > Daylight Time, > omprem writes: > > > Your teacher was right in that nadis are like Ley > lines. Your > > friend is wrong. Those energy flows that you > experience are > > prana flowing through the nadis. Those flows will > seem like > > electricity at first until your mind, physical > body and prannic body > > get used to it and are purified more to enable the > prana to flow > > more freely. This is all part of the process of > spiritual evolution. > > Congratulations and continue to do what you are > doing. > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 It is not necessarily that you are experiencing premature Kundalini rising. You could be just experiencing prana surges. Whatever the case, faith in your teacher, faith in the Divine, and faith in your own instincts will bring you through. Continue to do sadhana in order to make yourself into a fit vehicle for prana and Kundalini to work in . I'm pleased to hear that you are not giving authority to what you read in books. Books by their very nature can only tell part of the story and not the most significant part at that. Many people get bogged down in accumulating data and never encounter That from which the data arises. An overemphasis on reading and playing with facts can keep you from continuing your spiritual development. Books are OK for inspiration and confirmation that you are on the right track but they will not take you to the Divine. That you do yourself (as you are in the process of). Omprem Omprem, SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > Hi Lilith, > Thanks for your reply., > Interesting your mention of Quabbalh, as I do have a teacher who is an > expert at Quabbalah, as well as having studied with shamans and yogis. > At any rate, there may have been some good in my being diverted from > my course of taking up the solitary study of meditation at the tender age of > 19, since, at that time I had no teacher, and nobody to guide me through > pitfalls. Nobdy skilled in meditation, consciousness, or spirit bodies. > I think each person finds the teacher that is most appropriate to > him/her at the time. > I'm happy with my teacher and feel very safe. She is wise, and I feel > so lucky to know her as a friend and a teacher. She knows how to guide me > for my own growth and safety. > I'm not going to be fool hardy. :-] And I thank you for your > reminder to exercise caution, and trust the gut. > I've looked long and hard for a teacher. I thought I would never find > one. Now I have one who gives me the most beautiful advice and Wisdom and > does not throw challanges at me only is there to provide guidance when I come to > her with questions, and her answers always seem to suit me, and help me, and > to be filled with the most beautiful Wisdom. > It's good for you, that you trusted your inner guidance, btw, > regarding the puja, as you so poignantly relate, and as your experience proves, cuz as > my own teacher taught me, it is always wise to trust inner guidance. The > inner self knows, and if this inner self steers one away from certain > people/teachers, practices/challanges, and studies/knowledge, then it is not the right > time for one, or those are not the appropriate pursuits for one at least at that > time. Even when the inner self leads on into challanges that bring hard > lessons, it is for a reason, according to each one's karma, and lessons that one > is attracted to. > I'm at a point in my life, where I've developed my mind in all the > ways that were familiar to me that my inner guidance brought me to along the > way, and I understand what you mean about those synchronous appearances. I > remember when I was young, how I would be drawn to certain books, walking into a > bookstore, thinking of what i was looking for, and it would be there, unexpected > though desired, as if just forme and waiting to answer my questions. > Then a phase where books no longer were sufficient, and much > frustration over the inability to find an adequate teacher -- one who could speak to me > in a language that i could understand -- a "translator" of spiritual realms, > if you will. > Lillith: you and I are so much alike. We're both headstrong, > obstinate, and maybe you are also like me in this regard too: in that I have read so > many books, and taken each with a grain of salt, gleaning only that information > as is appropriate to me, and somehow finding the discernment to leave the > rest behind. Even this has been a lifelong practice and I get better at it with > age. My stubborn tendency to think independently, even in the face of the > supposedly expert advice of those who write things down in books, has at times > seemed like a flaw, but in the long run, considering the things you say here, > I'm thinking now at this phase in my life, a special kind of wisdom and a gift. > > Blessings and Hugz, > Cathie > > > > In a message dated 10/17/2004 2:17:57 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > sephirah5 writes: > > > Dear Cathie: > > I have met more than a few people who are suffering > > due to premature or incipient kundalini rising, in > > fact I would say that a lot of people who are on > > various medications for their mental states would be > > much better served observing spiritual practices > > instead. Once again I recommend Robert Svoboda's book > > "Kundalini", the second in the Aghora series. > > Kundalini opening is only the beginning of your > > difficulties, if you do not know what to expect! Ask > > Gopi Krishna, who accidentally opened his kundalini > > only halfway and could find NOBODY to help him right > > there in India, the LAND of kundalini! This is why you > > are constantly enjoined to work only under the > > guidance of a guru! Randomly practicing yogic > > techniques, particularly pranayama, can do you a great > > deal of harm. Also, since you are a Western person, > > your karma is here, and so would likely be best served > > by Western means, i.e. the Yoga of the West, or the > > Hermetic Qabalah (NOT "kabbalah"!). That being said, I > > took up Eastern practices at the behest of the Deities > > themselves, who were following me around like puppy > > dogs! For a while there I couldn't go ANYWHERE without > > images of Lord Shiva and Ganesh popping up in my face! > > I finally caved in and got a Shivalingam. People kept > > saying that I should learn the puja, but I said "Not > > unless a woman teaches me the puja". Not two weeks > > later, an old (woman) friend who had been initiated in > > Tantra since the last time we knew each other 12 years > > previously, showed up in my life, looked around, and > > offered to do puja with me. She was amazed when I told > > her I knew bugger-all about Shiva Puja, and she told > > me "Coulda fooled me..you've got everything you need > > right here!" So, what could I do? We did Shiva Puja > > together every Monday night for the next two years! > > But I was specifically instructed by the Mother to > > take up my Qabalistic studies again, and it threw an > > incredible amount of light on Tantric practices. In > > any case, a strong connection with a Deity is > > essential if you are not to scuttle yourself, because > > the Deity will then protect you from any errors you > > may make. This is one of the benefits of Bhakti-Yoga, > > as opposed to Jnana-Yoga. > > Lilith M. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Thanks Omprem, I know what you mean about the details. Still and all, sometimes the details can be nice to know too. I saw an article in a recent time magazine that said when they did brain scans of the brains of golf pros, just before they are about to drive the ball, their minds show something unexpected: one might expect to see a lot of brain activity; instead what one sees is a kind of suspension of mental/brain activity. The point was, at that moment, they let go of the details and reach out with what I would call the "no-mind" -- at some point, one has to let go of the details. Still and all -- I'm looking forward to learning a little more about some of those details. Peace, Cathie In a message dated 10/18/2004 10:13:49 AM Mountain Daylight Time, omprem writes: > It is not necessarily that you are experiencing premature > Kundalini rising. You could be just experiencing prana surges. > > Whatever the case, faith in your teacher, faith in the Divine, and > faith in your own instincts will bring you through. Continue to do > sadhana in order to make yourself into a fit vehicle for prana and > Kundalini to work in . > > I'm pleased to hear that you are not giving authority to what you > read in books. Books by their very nature can only tell part of the > story and not the most significant part at that. Many people get > bogged down in accumulating data and never encounter That > from which the data arises. An overemphasis on reading and > playing with facts can keep you from continuing your spiritual > development. Books are OK for inspiration and confirmation that > you are on the right track but they will not take you to the Divine. > That you do yourself (as you are in the process of). > > Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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