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       Yesterday I was reading something on yoga and nadis and realized that

the nadis are not actual vein bundles but rather are of the spiritual body,

not physical, like veins of energy running through the body and chakras.

       I mentioned this to one woman who i consider to be my teacher and she

said the nadis are more like electricity, or ley lines ( energy lines that run

through the earth and lightning strikes most often on the ley lines,

recharging the earth).

       Another friend was also just telling me that the nadis are like

breath, but they are not the physical breath they are the prana.

       I'm thinking somehow, it must be that they are both right, somehow. 

That somehow it has to do with air, but more like electricity.  Like an

electrical wind? 

       Once, many years ago, in college, I fell into an afternoon

sleep/trance, and felt something like energy/electrical currents running in a

circuit

through my body, like a loop, down and up.  I didn't know what it was, but now

that you are talking about electricity, I'm thinking I must have been feeling

the energy running through the nadis that day.

       It really is hard to describe what I felt that day, but I'll never

forget it.  It went all the way down to my toes.  I was lying on my back and my

hands were resting across my solar plexus.  I thought it felt like it was

following the pathway like blood would follow in my veins, except it felt KINDA

SORTA like electricity, only not.

       Is it the Breath that "Drives" it?  I'm guessing this because of the

idea that yogic breathing exercises regulate the flow of the nadis?

 

            i was lying in bed thinking last night, about that experience i

had many years ago of the energy rushing in a great loop through my body even

down to my toes and back up.

       i never knew what it was till now and now i suspect i was feeling the

nadis

       then i was thinking about all the "trance" experiences i've felt (

that's what i call it cuz otherwise i have no other word for it), where i am in

a

kind of sleep state but wake up frozen, unable to moove,my body suspended in

a feeling of electrical suspension, the vibration i can feel like electrical

vibration.

\      only the one time years ago did i feel the circular flow, but that

time too the feeling of being frozen, my body suspended in an electrical field,

unable to move, yet my mind awake and conscious. unable even to open myeyes.

       it happened again recently, about a month ago. 

       i was realizing as i was falling asleep last night, that must also

have been an experience of nadis -- of the electrical energy in mybody, but only

the one time i felt it's circutous flow.  usually all i feel is the feeling of

electrical vibration that disablesme from moving.

       one time, about 10 yrs ago i guess, i was able to open my eyes and

move, and when i  relaxed and breathed "into" it, deeper, consciouslly allowing

my breath to go deeper and relax "into it, i felt the vibration pick to a more

heightened pitch in response to my breath.

       it must have been the nadis, now, is what i was thinking last night.

 

interesting discovery and it has taken me til i'm 41 to discover it.

 

i wonder now if there is some benefit of being in a state like that?

if it is something i should seek out?  and if so, how?

 

peace,

cathie

 

 

 

 

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Thanks so much for this affirmation Omprem,

I was talking to my teacher about it this morning and she also told me

it is a good experience and one I should learn to be in control of, or master

somehow? I can't remember here exact words.

But, this is all very fascinating to me, and so I ordered a few more

books on the subject of Prana, and made sure to get the ones written by

authentic Hindu gurus.

So, once these books ( as well as the library books arrive ), I won't

have to pester you and my teacher with endless questions on every tiny thing.

Of course, I'm guessing the books I ordered will provide me with other

kinds of quesitons -- just not the endless minutia of endless simple ones...

My teacher told me if I'm having spontaneous experiences like that, it

means I have studied yoga in another lifetime, and I need to find a way to

master it -- or, at least this would be best -- to find a way to get control of

it.

Then she said something about the Ida and Pingali Nadis that was kinda

over my head and so I cannot relay it to you here.

 

Thanks Omprem,

Peace,

Cathie

In a message dated 10/17/2004 12:30:55 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

omprem writes:

> Your teacher was right in that nadis are like Ley lines. Your

> friend is wrong. Those energy flows that you experience are

> prana flowing through the nadis. Those flows will seem like

> electricity at first until your mind, physical body and prannic body

> get used to it and are purified more to enable the prana to flow

> more freely. This is all part of the process of spiritual evolution.

> Congratulations and continue to do what you are doing.

>

>

> Omprem

>

 

 

 

 

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Hi Lilith,

Thanks for your reply.,

Interesting your mention of Quabbalh, as I do have a teacher who is an

expert at Quabbalah, as well as having studied with shamans and yogis.

At any rate, there may have been some good in my being diverted from

my course of taking up the solitary study of meditation at the tender age of

19, since, at that time I had no teacher, and nobody to guide me through

pitfalls. Nobdy skilled in meditation, consciousness, or spirit bodies.

I think each person finds the teacher that is most appropriate to

him/her at the time.

I'm happy with my teacher and feel very safe. She is wise, and I feel

so lucky to know her as a friend and a teacher. She knows how to guide me

for my own growth and safety.

I'm not going to be fool hardy. :-] And I thank you for your

reminder to exercise caution, and trust the gut.

I've looked long and hard for a teacher. I thought I would never find

one. Now I have one who gives me the most beautiful advice and Wisdom and

does not throw challanges at me only is there to provide guidance when I come to

her with questions, and her answers always seem to suit me, and help me, and

to be filled with the most beautiful Wisdom.

It's good for you, that you trusted your inner guidance, btw,

regarding the puja, as you so poignantly relate, and as your experience proves,

cuz as

my own teacher taught me, it is always wise to trust inner guidance. The

inner self knows, and if this inner self steers one away from certain

people/teachers, practices/challanges, and studies/knowledge, then it is not the

right

time for one, or those are not the appropriate pursuits for one at least at that

time. Even when the inner self leads on into challanges that bring hard

lessons, it is for a reason, according to each one's karma, and lessons that one

is attracted to.

I'm at a point in my life, where I've developed my mind in all the

ways that were familiar to me that my inner guidance brought me to along the

way, and I understand what you mean about those synchronous appearances. I

remember when I was young, how I would be drawn to certain books, walking into a

bookstore, thinking of what i was looking for, and it would be there, unexpected

though desired, as if just forme and waiting to answer my questions.

Then a phase where books no longer were sufficient, and much

frustration over the inability to find an adequate teacher -- one who could

speak to me

in a language that i could understand -- a "translator" of spiritual realms,

if you will.

Lillith: you and I are so much alike. We're both headstrong,

obstinate, and maybe you are also like me in this regard too: in that I have

read so

many books, and taken each with a grain of salt, gleaning only that information

as is appropriate to me, and somehow finding the discernment to leave the

rest behind. Even this has been a lifelong practice and I get better at it with

age. My stubborn tendency to think independently, even in the face of the

supposedly expert advice of those who write things down in books, has at times

seemed like a flaw, but in the long run, considering the things you say here,

I'm thinking now at this phase in my life, a special kind of wisdom and a gift.

 

Blessings and Hugz,

Cathie

 

 

 

In a message dated 10/17/2004 2:17:57 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

sephirah5 writes:

> Dear Cathie:

> I have met more than a few people who are suffering

> due to premature or incipient kundalini rising, in

> fact I would say that a lot of people who are on

> various medications for their mental states would be

> much better served observing spiritual practices

> instead. Once again I recommend Robert Svoboda's book

> "Kundalini", the second in the Aghora series.

> Kundalini opening is only the beginning of your

> difficulties, if you do not know what to expect! Ask

> Gopi Krishna, who accidentally opened his kundalini

> only halfway and could find NOBODY to help him right

> there in India, the LAND of kundalini! This is why you

> are constantly enjoined to work only under the

> guidance of a guru! Randomly practicing yogic

> techniques, particularly pranayama, can do you a great

> deal of harm. Also, since you are a Western person,

> your karma is here, and so would likely be best served

> by Western means, i.e. the Yoga of the West, or the

> Hermetic Qabalah (NOT "kabbalah"!). That being said, I

> took up Eastern practices at the behest of the Deities

> themselves, who were following me around like puppy

> dogs! For a while there I couldn't go ANYWHERE without

> images of Lord Shiva and Ganesh popping up in my face!

> I finally caved in and got a Shivalingam. People kept

> saying that I should learn the puja, but I said "Not

> unless a woman teaches me the puja". Not two weeks

> later, an old (woman) friend who had been initiated in

> Tantra since the last time we knew each other 12 years

> previously, showed up in my life, looked around, and

> offered to do puja with me. She was amazed when I told

> her I knew bugger-all about Shiva Puja, and she told

> me "Coulda fooled me..you've got everything you need

> right here!" So, what could I do? We did Shiva Puja

> together every Monday night for the next two years!

> But I was specifically instructed by the Mother to

> take up my Qabalistic studies again, and it threw an

> incredible amount of light on Tantric practices. In

> any case, a strong connection with a Deity is

> essential if you are not to scuttle yourself, because

> the Deity will then protect you from any errors you

> may make. This is one of the benefits of Bhakti-Yoga,

> as opposed to Jnana-Yoga.

> Lilith M.

 

 

 

 

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Your teacher was right in that nadis are like Ley lines. Your

friend is wrong. Those energy flows that you experience are

prana flowing through the nadis. Those flows will seem like

electricity at first until your mind, physical body and prannic body

get used to it and are purified more to enable the prana to flow

more freely. This is all part of the process of spiritual evolution.

Congratulations and continue to do what you are doing.

 

 

Omprem

 

 

, SophiasHeaven@a...

wrote:

>        Yesterday I was reading something on yoga and nadis and

realized that

> the nadis are not actual vein bundles but rather are of the

spiritual body,

> not physical, like veins of energy running through the body and

chakras.

>        I mentioned this to one woman who i consider to be my

teacher and she

> said the nadis are more like electricity, or ley lines ( energy

lines that run

> through the earth and lightning strikes most often on the ley

lines,

> recharging the earth).

>        Another friend was also just telling me that the nadis are

like

> breath, but they are not the physical breath they are the prana.

>        I'm thinking somehow, it must be that they are both right,

somehow. 

> That somehow it has to do with air, but more like electricity. 

Like an

> electrical wind? 

>        Once, many years ago, in college, I fell into an afternoon

> sleep/trance, and felt something like energy/electrical currents

running in a circuit

> through my body, like a loop, down and up.  I didn't know what it

was, but now

> that you are talking about electricity, I'm thinking I must have

been feeling

> the energy running through the nadis that day.

>        It really is hard to describe what I felt that day, but I'll never

> forget it.  It went all the way down to my toes.  I was lying on my

back and my

> hands were resting across my solar plexus.  I thought it felt like

it was

> following the pathway like blood would follow in my veins,

except it felt KINDA

> SORTA like electricity, only not.

>        Is it the Breath that "Drives" it?  I'm guessing this because

of the

> idea that yogic breathing exercises regulate the flow of the

nadis?

>

>             i was lying in bed thinking last night, about that

experience i

> had many years ago of the energy rushing in a great loop

through my body even

> down to my toes and back up.

>        i never knew what it was till now and now i suspect i was

feeling the

> nadis

>        then i was thinking about all the "trance" experiences i've

felt (

> that's what i call it cuz otherwise i have no other word for it),

where i am in a

> kind of sleep state but wake up frozen, unable to moove,my

body suspended in

> a feeling of electrical suspension, the vibration i can feel like

electrical

> vibration.

> \      only the one time years ago did i feel the circular flow, but

that

> time too the feeling of being frozen, my body suspended in an

electrical field,

> unable to move, yet my mind awake and conscious. unable

even to open myeyes.

>        it happened again recently, about a month ago. 

>        i was realizing as i was falling asleep last night, that must

also

> have been an experience of nadis -- of the electrical energy in

mybody, but only

> the one time i felt it's circutous flow.  usually all i feel is the

feeling of

> electrical vibration that disablesme from moving.

>        one time, about 10 yrs ago i guess, i was able to open my

eyes and

> move, and when i  relaxed and breathed "into" it, deeper,

consciouslly allowing

> my breath to go deeper and relax "into it, i felt the vibration pick

to a more

> heightened pitch in response to my breath.

>        it must have been the nadis, now, is what i was thinking

last night.

>

> interesting discovery and it has taken me til i'm 41 to discover

it.

>

> i wonder now if there is some benefit of being in a state like

that?

> if it is something i should seek out?  and if so, how?

>

> peace,

> cathie

>

>

>

>

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Dear Cathie:

I have met more than a few people who are suffering

due to premature or incipient kundalini rising, in

fact I would say that a lot of people who are on

various medications for their mental states would be

much better served observing spiritual practices

instead. Once again I recommend Robert Svoboda's book

"Kundalini", the second in the Aghora series.

Kundalini opening is only the beginning of your

difficulties, if you do not know what to expect! Ask

Gopi Krishna, who accidentally opened his kundalini

only halfway and could find NOBODY to help him right

there in India, the LAND of kundalini! This is why you

are constantly enjoined to work only under the

guidance of a guru! Randomly practicing yogic

techniques, particularly pranayama, can do you a great

deal of harm. Also, since you are a Western person,

your karma is here, and so would likely be best served

by Western means, i.e. the Yoga of the West, or the

Hermetic Qabalah (NOT "kabbalah"!). That being said, I

took up Eastern practices at the behest of the Deities

themselves, who were following me around like puppy

dogs! For a while there I couldn't go ANYWHERE without

images of Lord Shiva and Ganesh popping up in my face!

I finally caved in and got a Shivalingam. People kept

saying that I should learn the puja, but I said "Not

unless a woman teaches me the puja". Not two weeks

later, an old (woman) friend who had been initiated in

Tantra since the last time we knew each other 12 years

previously, showed up in my life, looked around, and

offered to do puja with me. She was amazed when I told

her I knew bugger-all about Shiva Puja, and she told

me "Coulda fooled me..you've got everything you need

right here!" So, what could I do? We did Shiva Puja

together every Monday night for the next two years!

But I was specifically instructed by the Mother to

take up my Qabalistic studies again, and it threw an

incredible amount of light on Tantric practices. In

any case, a strong connection with a Deity is

essential if you are not to scuttle yourself, because

the Deity will then protect you from any errors you

may make. This is one of the benefits of Bhakti-Yoga,

as opposed to Jnana-Yoga.

Lilith M.

 

--- SophiasHeaven wrote:

> Thanks so much for this affirmation Omprem,

> I was talking to my teacher about it this

> morning and she also told me

> it is a good experience and one I should learn to be

> in control of, or master

> somehow? I can't remember here exact words.

> But, this is all very fascinating to me, and

> so I ordered a few more

> books on the subject of Prana, and made sure to get

> the ones written by

> authentic Hindu gurus.

> So, once these books ( as well as the library

> books arrive ), I won't

> have to pester you and my teacher with endless

> questions on every tiny thing.

> Of course, I'm guessing the books I ordered

> will provide me with other

> kinds of quesitons -- just not the endless minutia

> of endless simple ones...

> My teacher told me if I'm having spontaneous

> experiences like that, it

> means I have studied yoga in another lifetime, and I

> need to find a way to

> master it -- or, at least this would be best -- to

> find a way to get control of

> it.

> Then she said something about the Ida and

> Pingali Nadis that was kinda

> over my head and so I cannot relay it to you here.

>

> Thanks Omprem,

> Peace,

> Cathie

> In a message dated 10/17/2004 12:30:55 PM Mountain

> Daylight Time,

> omprem writes:

>

> > Your teacher was right in that nadis are like Ley

> lines. Your

> > friend is wrong. Those energy flows that you

> experience are

> > prana flowing through the nadis. Those flows will

> seem like

> > electricity at first until your mind, physical

> body and prannic body

> > get used to it and are purified more to enable the

> prana to flow

> > more freely. This is all part of the process of

> spiritual evolution.

> > Congratulations and continue to do what you are

> doing.

> >

> >

> > Omprem

> >

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

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It is not necessarily that you are experiencing premature

Kundalini rising. You could be just experiencing prana surges.

 

Whatever the case, faith in your teacher, faith in the Divine, and

faith in your own instincts will bring you through. Continue to do

sadhana in order to make yourself into a fit vehicle for prana and

Kundalini to work in .

 

I'm pleased to hear that you are not giving authority to what you

read in books. Books by their very nature can only tell part of the

story and not the most significant part at that. Many people get

bogged down in accumulating data and never encounter That

from which the data arises. An overemphasis on reading and

playing with facts can keep you from continuing your spiritual

development. Books are OK for inspiration and confirmation that

you are on the right track but they will not take you to the Divine.

That you do yourself (as you are in the process of).

 

Omprem

 

Omprem,

SophiasHeaven@a... wrote:

> Hi Lilith,

> Thanks for your reply.,

> Interesting your mention of Quabbalh, as I do have a

teacher who is an

> expert at Quabbalah, as well as having studied with shamans

and yogis.

> At any rate, there may have been some good in my being

diverted from

> my course of taking up the solitary study of meditation at the

tender age of

> 19, since, at that time I had no teacher, and nobody to guide

me through

> pitfalls. Nobdy skilled in meditation, consciousness, or spirit

bodies.

> I think each person finds the teacher that is most

appropriate to

> him/her at the time.

> I'm happy with my teacher and feel very safe. She is wise,

and I feel

> so lucky to know her as a friend and a teacher. She knows

how to guide me

> for my own growth and safety.

> I'm not going to be fool hardy. :-] And I thank you for your

> reminder to exercise caution, and trust the gut.

> I've looked long and hard for a teacher. I thought I would

never find

> one. Now I have one who gives me the most beautiful advice

and Wisdom and

> does not throw challanges at me only is there to provide

guidance when I come to

> her with questions, and her answers always seem to suit me,

and help me, and

> to be filled with the most beautiful Wisdom.

> It's good for you, that you trusted your inner guidance, btw,

> regarding the puja, as you so poignantly relate, and as your

experience proves, cuz as

> my own teacher taught me, it is always wise to trust inner

guidance. The

> inner self knows, and if this inner self steers one away from

certain

> people/teachers, practices/challanges, and

studies/knowledge, then it is not the right

> time for one, or those are not the appropriate pursuits for one

at least at that

> time. Even when the inner self leads on into challanges that

bring hard

> lessons, it is for a reason, according to each one's karma, and

lessons that one

> is attracted to.

> I'm at a point in my life, where I've developed my mind in all

the

> ways that were familiar to me that my inner guidance brought

me to along the

> way, and I understand what you mean about those

synchronous appearances. I

> remember when I was young, how I would be drawn to certain

books, walking into a

> bookstore, thinking of what i was looking for, and it would be

there, unexpected

> though desired, as if just forme and waiting to answer my

questions.

> Then a phase where books no longer were sufficient, and

much

> frustration over the inability to find an adequate teacher -- one

who could speak to me

> in a language that i could understand -- a "translator" of

spiritual realms,

> if you will.

> Lillith: you and I are so much alike. We're both headstrong,

> obstinate, and maybe you are also like me in this regard too: in

that I have read so

> many books, and taken each with a grain of salt, gleaning only

that information

> as is appropriate to me, and somehow finding the

discernment to leave the

> rest behind. Even this has been a lifelong practice and I get

better at it with

> age. My stubborn tendency to think independently, even in the

face of the

> supposedly expert advice of those who write things down in

books, has at times

> seemed like a flaw, but in the long run, considering the things

you say here,

> I'm thinking now at this phase in my life, a special kind of

wisdom and a gift.

>

> Blessings and Hugz,

> Cathie

>

>

>

> In a message dated 10/17/2004 2:17:57 PM Mountain

Daylight Time,

> sephirah5 writes:

>

> > Dear Cathie:

> > I have met more than a few people who are suffering

> > due to premature or incipient kundalini rising, in

> > fact I would say that a lot of people who are on

> > various medications for their mental states would be

> > much better served observing spiritual practices

> > instead. Once again I recommend Robert Svoboda's book

> > "Kundalini", the second in the Aghora series.

> > Kundalini opening is only the beginning of your

> > difficulties, if you do not know what to expect! Ask

> > Gopi Krishna, who accidentally opened his kundalini

> > only halfway and could find NOBODY to help him right

> > there in India, the LAND of kundalini! This is why you

> > are constantly enjoined to work only under the

> > guidance of a guru! Randomly practicing yogic

> > techniques, particularly pranayama, can do you a great

> > deal of harm. Also, since you are a Western person,

> > your karma is here, and so would likely be best served

> > by Western means, i.e. the Yoga of the West, or the

> > Hermetic Qabalah (NOT "kabbalah"!). That being said, I

> > took up Eastern practices at the behest of the Deities

> > themselves, who were following me around like puppy

> > dogs! For a while there I couldn't go ANYWHERE without

> > images of Lord Shiva and Ganesh popping up in my face!

> > I finally caved in and got a Shivalingam. People kept

> > saying that I should learn the puja, but I said "Not

> > unless a woman teaches me the puja". Not two weeks

> > later, an old (woman) friend who had been initiated in

> > Tantra since the last time we knew each other 12 years

> > previously, showed up in my life, looked around, and

> > offered to do puja with me. She was amazed when I told

> > her I knew bugger-all about Shiva Puja, and she told

> > me "Coulda fooled me..you've got everything you need

> > right here!" So, what could I do? We did Shiva Puja

> > together every Monday night for the next two years!

> > But I was specifically instructed by the Mother to

> > take up my Qabalistic studies again, and it threw an

> > incredible amount of light on Tantric practices. In

> > any case, a strong connection with a Deity is

> > essential if you are not to scuttle yourself, because

> > the Deity will then protect you from any errors you

> > may make. This is one of the benefits of Bhakti-Yoga,

> > as opposed to Jnana-Yoga.

> > Lilith M.

>

>

>

>

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Thanks Omprem,

I know what you mean about the details.

Still and all, sometimes the details can be nice to know too.

I saw an article in a recent time magazine that said when they did

brain scans of the brains of golf pros, just before they are about to drive the

ball, their minds show something unexpected: one might expect to see a lot of

brain activity; instead what one sees is a kind of suspension of mental/brain

activity. The point was, at that moment, they let go of the details and reach

out with what I would call the "no-mind" -- at some point, one has to let go

of the details.

Still and all -- I'm looking forward to learning a little more about

some of those details.

 

Peace,

Cathie

In a message dated 10/18/2004 10:13:49 AM Mountain Daylight Time,

omprem writes:

> It is not necessarily that you are experiencing premature

> Kundalini rising. You could be just experiencing prana surges.

>

> Whatever the case, faith in your teacher, faith in the Divine, and

> faith in your own instincts will bring you through. Continue to do

> sadhana in order to make yourself into a fit vehicle for prana and

> Kundalini to work in .

>

> I'm pleased to hear that you are not giving authority to what you

> read in books. Books by their very nature can only tell part of the

> story and not the most significant part at that. Many people get

> bogged down in accumulating data and never encounter That

> from which the data arises. An overemphasis on reading and

> playing with facts can keep you from continuing your spiritual

> development. Books are OK for inspiration and confirmation that

> you are on the right track but they will not take you to the Divine.

> That you do yourself (as you are in the process of).

>

> Omprem

 

 

 

 

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