Guest guest Posted October 17, 2004 Report Share Posted October 17, 2004 Pranam. More kurals from ThiruValluvar... Worthless are those who injure others vengefully, While those who stoically endure are like stored gold. The gratification of the vengeful lasts only for a day, But the glory of the forbearing lasts until the end of time. Though unjustly aggrieved, it is best to suffer the suffering And refrain from unrighteous retaliation. -Tirukkural 16: 155-157 With Love Shankaree Let my every word be a prayer to Thee, Every movement of my hands a ritual gesture to Thee, Every step I take a circumambulation of Thy image, Every morsel I eat a rite of sacrifice to Thee, Every time I lay down a prostration at Thy feet; Every act of personal pleasure and all else that I do, Let it all be a form of worshiping Thee." >From Verse 27 of Shri Aadi Shankara's Saundaryalahari Does your mail provider give you a FREE online calendar? does. Get Mail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 shankaree ramatas wrote: > > Worthless are those who injure others vengefully, > While those who stoically endure are like stored gold. > Well, I never would endure tormentors but had answered with an eye for an eye. Regards Lars If someone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 I think Bible says "Vengence is mine!!". if everyone took law into their own hands society would disappear. It is this attitude that one must overcome to serve humanity. When you are serving the society at large, we have to be calm and should not think of vengence. IMHO Whenever an eye for an eye philosophy existed the societies disintegrated. No offence OK? Lars Hedström <lars wrote: shankaree ramatas wrote: > > Worthless are those who injure others vengefully, > While those who stoically endure are like stored gold. > Well, I never would endure tormentors but had answered with an eye for an eye. Regards Lars If someone / Take Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2004 Report Share Posted October 18, 2004 Hi Kochu In response to Lars, you wrote, "I think Bible says 'Vengence is mine!!' [but] if everyone took law into their own hands society would disappear." Yes, the Old Testament did say that -- its reigning sentiment was the "eye for an eye" sensibility advocated by Lars. In the New Testament, however, a large part of Jesus's message tells us that by the year 4 CE, the futility of this vengeful philosophy had become clear. Thus you have the gentleman from Nazareth advising his followers to "Turn the other cheek" and praying to god, "Forgive them, Father, they know not what they do." The classic Kural posted by Shankaree expreses this same wise and ancient concept. Those who have tried the spiritual technique of forgiveness know its incredible power. It's been said that the surest way to escape from prison is to set your jailor free. I have also read somewhere that you will never get past your enemy if you spend all your time trying to get even with him. ;-) Lars was talking in his earlier posts of serving society; then he says, "I never would endure tormentors but had answered with an eye for an eye." Doesn't this philosophy render him ineligible for serving his ideal? DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I agree what you say. To get back to an eye for an eye would be a severe backlash to our society and to our humanity. But there is occasions when the law won't help us. I can take one example. A boy was persecuted in school by some other students. He first tried to be nice to them but that didn't help - on the contrary it was understood as weakness. Not until one day he answered by beating up one of his pursuers they left him alone. The same with Hitler - he understood only one language: the language of the machinegun! And you can be sure of that we have a lot of mini-Hitlers around the world. In cambodja thousands of monks were assasinated by the red khmeres. If these monks had been less peaceful sheep and more like wild rebellic tigers I think many of them had survived. I finsih with a quotation by Winston Churchill: "You can always take one with you" Regards Lars --- sankara menon wrote: >I think Bible says "Vengence is mine!!". >if everyone took law into their own hands society would disappear. >It is this attitude that one must overcome to serve humanity. When you are serving the society at large, we have to be calm and should not think of vengence. >IMHO Whenever an eye for an eye philosophy existed the societies disintegrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 I don't know why some people take upon themselves the responsibility of saving mankind(NOT serving!),when they are aware that The Mother will take care of it, We all know Nothing is eternal, one yuga will fallow another and one manvantara will fallow another.and there is another janma also, The slogan "eye to an eye...." is repeated "NOT so much in the interest of oppressed ,but in the interest of the oppressors, to prolong their domination , If taking an eye is "Dhanda" then chanting Peace ,peace... may be "sama" method , With the combination of these two it will create doubt in the mind of oppressed and create difference of opinion among them. this is "Bhedha". It also contain a veiled threat "If you raise your head ,you are dead".so better be blind than dead..., IT is OK when people believe that there is no punarjanma, or no yuga beyond that... But I usually get surprised when spiritual people raise panic button that "the world is Going to end" ...., Regards, K Prasaad , Lars Hedström <lars@2...> wrote: > > I agree what you say. To get back to an eye for an eye would be a severe > backlash to our society and to our humanity. > > But there is occasions when the law won't help us. I can take one > example. A boy was persecuted in school by some other students. He > first tried to be nice to them but that didn't help - on the contrary it > was understood as weakness. Not until one day he answered by beating up > one of his pursuers they left him alone. > > The same with Hitler - he understood only one language: the language of > the machinegun! > > And you can be sure of that we have a lot of mini-Hitlers around the world. > > In cambodja thousands of monks were assasinated by the red khmeres. If > these monks had been less peaceful sheep and more like wild rebellic > tigers I think many of them had survived. > > I finsih with a quotation by Winston Churchill: "You can always take one > with you" > > Regards > > Lars > > --- sankara menon wrote: > > >I think Bible says "Vengence is mine!!". > >if everyone took law into their own hands society would disappear. > >It is this attitude that one must overcome to serve humanity. When you are serving the society at large, we have to be calm and should not think of vengence. > >IMHO Whenever an eye for an eye philosophy existed the societies disintegrated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 kesava Prasaad wrote: > > I don't know why some people take upon themselves the responsibility > of saving mankind(NOT serving!),when they are aware that The Mother > will take care of it, We all know Nothing is eternal, one yuga will > fallow another and one manvantara will fallow another. That is a fatalistic view I do not share. We humans create our own future, we are the only ones on this planet able to do so. If universe had wanted humans to be fatalistic it hadn't created us. We are co-creators of universe!! Mother Earth is not doing so fine, I consider the rainbow warriors in Greenpeace as a good example: *"There will come a time when the earth is sick and the animals and plants begin to die. Then the Indians will regain their spirit and gather people of all nations, colours and beliefs to join together in the fight to save the Earth: The Rainbow Warriors."* http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/contentlookup.cfm?&ucidparam=20020917161728&CFID=13\ 58037&CFTOKEN=54007942 Regards Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 My dear Lars: I am not a kitten myself. But we must know when to be a tiger and when to be a kitten is all i said. Lars Hedström <lars wrote: I agree what you say. To get back to an eye for an eye would be a severe backlash to our society and to our humanity. But there is occasions when the law won't help us. I can take one example. A boy was persecuted in school by some other students. He first tried to be nice to them but that didn't help - on the contrary it was understood as weakness. Not until one day he answered by beating up one of his pursuers they left him alone. The same with Hitler - he understood only one language: the language of the machinegun! And you can be sure of that we have a lot of mini-Hitlers around the world. In cambodja thousands of monks were assasinated by the red khmeres. If these monks had been less peaceful sheep and more like wild rebellic tigers I think many of them had survived. I finsih with a quotation by Winston Churchill: "You can always take one with you" Regards Lars --- sankara menon wrote: >I think Bible says "Vengence is mine!!". >if everyone took law into their own hands society would disappear. >It is this attitude that one must overcome to serve humanity. When you are serving the society at large, we have to be calm and should not think of vengence. >IMHO Whenever an eye for an eye philosophy existed the societies disintegrated. Sponsor Will you help a needy child? ·It only costs .60¢ a day · It's easier than you think.·Click here to meet a waiting child you can sponsor now. / vote. - Register online to vote today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 sankara menon wrote: >My dear Lars: > >I am not a kitten myself. But we must know when to be a tiger and when to be a kitten is all i said. > > Very good comment! And that is not an easy task... Regards Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 sankara menon wrote:My dear Lars:I am not a kitten myself. But we must know when to be a tiger and when to be a kitten is all i said. Lars Hedström Very good comment! And that is not an easy task... Perhaps it is easy for somebody who have actually done it, and not to a person who spend a lot of time talking instead of doing the practical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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