Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 93 Kundalini is not at all "prana" in that sense of word as 10 pranas are. That too Kundalini is not a result of bringing prana and apana into sushumna. Yes, we can give U examples . But U cannot - no yogic text describe "Kundalini formation" (!). Do U at least understand what utter nonsense U say with such an authority of "teacher of yoga and meditation"? LMAO Some schools believe that Kundalini (that one which is lower kundalini) can be awakened by means of what U described. Of course, there are many traditions of Yoga not using this gross method. Ha and Tha of Raja-yoga is smth different as well. These are two tattvas (principles) of existence, prana/apana pair is just one of lesser aspects of them. 10 pranas are controlling body functioning. Kundalini is shakti of entirely different level. What U say here shows U`ve got no experience as well as no understanding either . What yoga can U teach... Yoga- fitness, gymnastics for a circus? Its a poor thing that yoga is profanized by such kind of "teachers" . BTW Kundalini was understood first of all as Matrika-shakti. And there is upper Kundalini and lower. References are: Tantraloka, Kubjika-mata, Saubhagyalaxmi-upanishat and living tradition . Love is the law, love under will. A. , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > I think that you are mistaken on that. Could you give me an > example of a Yoga who does not know the mechanics of > Kundalini formation as sketched below? > > Kundalini is prana. From the Yogic viewpoint, there is one prana, > but when it comes to the human body, prana that performs a > specialized function is given a specific name. There are 5 major > pranas (Prana, Apana, Samana, Udana and Vyana) and 5 minor > pranas (Naga, Kurma, Kirkara, Devadatta, and Dhanajaya). The > major pranas known as Prana and Apana flow through the Ida > and Pingala nadis and are also known as Ha and Tha. The aim > of Raja Yoga practices is to unite Ha and Tha (Prana and > Apana). When this occurs, that combined prana performs a > specialized function and is then given the name, Kundalini. > > Omprem > > , Lars Hedström > <lars@2...> wrote: > > > > omprem wrote: > > > > > > > > Kundalini is subtle Prana. It is formed by redirecting the > pranas > > > that flow in the Ida and Pingala nadis. Go back to your > teacher > > > and have her explain these nadis and their operation in a > way > > > that you understand. > > > > > > Yogis are not in agreement when explaining the difference > between > > kundalini and prana so how do you know the one and only > truth? > > > > Lars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > , > SophiasHeaven@a... > > > wrote: > > > > I wonder if somebody might feel inspired to explain at > least a > > > little bit > > > > more than this here below, excerpted from a yoga site, on > what > > > is the > > > > difference and the connection between Kundalini and > Prana: > > > > > > > > > Kundalini has connection with subtle Prana. Subtle > Prana > > > has connection > > > > > with the subtle Nadis and Chakras. Subtle Nadis have > > > connection with the mind. > > > > > Mind has connection all through the body. You have > heard > > > that there is mind in > > > > > every cell of the body. Prana is the working force of the > body. > > > It is > > > > > dynamic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After Kundalini is awakened, Prana passes upwards > through > > > Brahma Nadi along > > > > > with mind and Agni. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm#_VPID_ > > > 56 > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings and Peace, > > > > Cathie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > click here > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ttjgtf/M=315388.5500238.6578 > 046.3001176/D=groups/S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1098202505/A > =2372354/R=0/SIG=12id813k2/*https://www.orchardbank.com/h > cs/hcsapplication?pf=PLApply&media=EMYHNL40F21004SS> > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- -------- > > > * Links* > > > > > > * > > > / > > > > > > * > > > > > > > <?subj > ect=Un> > > > > > > * > Terms of > > > Service <>. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 Thanks for explaining this subtlety Omprem. I enjoyed reading it, and I am just starting to learn about these things but I enjoy the way you explained it. Peace, Cathie In a message dated 10/19/2004 7:14:11 AM Mountain Daylight Time, omprem writes: > There is only prana. That is all. However, human beings, working > under the illusory force of Maya, like to categorize. They > categorize prana by the tasks that it performs in the body. Thus, > there are considered to be 10 pranas. When, however, Prana > and Apana (or Ha and Tha) are diverted through certain sadhana > practices so that they unite at the Muladhara Chakra, then a new > name is given to that new function of prana, Kundalini. > > You are right about one thing, however. Kundalini, from one point > of view, is of a higher order than the other pranas because it is > the vehicle by which one ascends to higher spiritual awareness. > But, from another point of view, Kundalini is still prana, just prana > performing a specialized task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 In a message dated 10/19/2004 8:06:20 AM Mountain Daylight Time, bhagatirtha writes: > Once again, Kundalini is NOT a prana at all. Kundalini is aspect of > Devi, Parameshvari, GODDESS. Prana is subtle energy that sustains > physical and subtle bodies. > Kundalini cannot "perform a task" for u man! She is Goddess, not ur > servant and not some kind of mechanical energy flow. > U entirely misunderstand the concept of Kundalini in general. > > You are wrong. Go visit the sungazing group. Go find a website on "living on light" where people learn how to convert Prana to nutrition for the body. As it says in the Bible, God numbers every hair on our heads. Surely the Goddess of Kundalini takes care when one practices, to take care of every subtle energy function over which She predominates. Your main purppose is to OBFUSCATE and make it impossible for anybody to learn anything. I'm going to delete all your messages cuz you're just trying to distract everyone else from learning something. If others want to bother with you, that's their business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 You are not understanding. I will try one more time and give up on you. There is only prana. That is all. However, human beings, working under the illusory force of Maya, like to categorize. They categorize prana by the tasks that it performs in the body. Thus, there are considered to be 10 pranas. When, however, Prana and Apana (or Ha and Tha) are diverted through certain sadhana practices so that they unite at the Muladhara Chakra, then a new name is given to that new function of prana, Kundalini. You are right about one thing, however. Kundalini, from one point of view, is of a higher order than the other pranas because it is the vehicle by which one ascends to higher spiritual awareness. But, from another point of view, Kundalini is still prana, just prana performing a specialized task. You seem to be confusing different methods of raising Kundalini with the notion that there must therefore be different Kundalinis. There is only one Kundalini. And it acts through the Sushuma to bring the vibration of the sadhak to the vibration of the 7 main chakras and so gain spiritual awareness that is not possible in any other way. You provide no examples to the contrary even though you say that you can. Every seer and saint and guru that I have listened to or read says as I have outlined. Somepeople such as yourself seem to have the need to dispute and be proud of it, It is an attempt to give themselves importance and a sense of being. But needing an argument to provided a sense of being only points to a lack of inner vision. You need to do more sadhana and develop some more sattvic qualities. Omprem , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > Kundalini is not at all "prana" in that sense of word as 10 pranas > are. That too Kundalini is not a result of bringing prana and apana > into sushumna. > > Yes, we can give U examples . But U cannot - no yogic text describe > "Kundalini formation" (!). Do U at least understand what utter > nonsense U say with such an authority of "teacher of yoga and > meditation"? LMAO > > Some schools believe that Kundalini (that one which is lower > kundalini) can be awakened by means of what U described. Of course, > there are many traditions of Yoga not using this gross method. > Ha and Tha of Raja-yoga is smth different as well. These are two > tattvas (principles) of existence, prana/apana pair is just one of > lesser aspects of them. > > 10 pranas are controlling body functioning. Kundalini is shakti of > entirely different level. What U say here shows U`ve got no experience > as well as no understanding either . What yoga can U teach... Yoga- > fitness, gymnastics for a circus? Its a poor thing that yoga is > profanized by such kind of "teachers" . > > BTW Kundalini was understood first of all as Matrika-shakti. > And there is upper Kundalini and lower. References are: Tantraloka, > Kubjika-mata, Saubhagyalaxmi-upanishat and living tradition . > > Love is the law, love under will. > A. > > > , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > > > I think that you are mistaken on that. Could you give me an > > example of a Yoga who does not know the mechanics of > > Kundalini formation as sketched below? > > > > Kundalini is prana. From the Yogic viewpoint, there is one prana, > > but when it comes to the human body, prana that performs a > > specialized function is given a specific name. There are 5 major > > pranas (Prana, Apana, Samana, Udana and Vyana) and 5 minor > > pranas (Naga, Kurma, Kirkara, Devadatta, and Dhanajaya). The > > major pranas known as Prana and Apana flow through the Ida > > and Pingala nadis and are also known as Ha and Tha. The aim > > of Raja Yoga practices is to unite Ha and Tha (Prana and > > Apana). When this occurs, that combined prana performs a > > specialized function and is then given the name, Kundalini. > > > > Omprem > > > > , Lars Hedström > > <lars@2...> wrote: > > > > > > omprem wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini is subtle Prana. It is formed by redirecting the > > pranas > > > > that flow in the Ida and Pingala nadis. Go back to your > > teacher > > > > and have her explain these nadis and their operation in a > > way > > > > that you understand. > > > > > > > > > Yogis are not in agreement when explaining the difference > > between > > > kundalini and prana so how do you know the one and only > > truth? > > > > > > Lars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > SophiasHeaven@a... > > > > wrote: > > > > > I wonder if somebody might feel inspired to explain at > > least a > > > > little bit > > > > > more than this here below, excerpted from a yoga site, on > > what > > > > is the > > > > > difference and the connection between Kundalini and > > Prana: > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini has connection with subtle Prana. Subtle > > Prana > > > > has connection > > > > > > with the subtle Nadis and Chakras. Subtle Nadis have > > > > connection with the mind. > > > > > > Mind has connection all through the body. You have > > heard > > > > that there is mind in > > > > > > every cell of the body. Prana is the working force of the > > body. > > > > It is > > > > > > dynamic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After Kundalini is awakened, Prana passes upwards > > through > > > > Brahma Nadi along > > > > > > with mind and Agni. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm#_VPID_ > > > > 56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings and Peace, > > > > > Cathie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > > > click here > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ttjgtf/M=315388.5500238.6578 > > 046.3001176/D=groups/S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1098202505/A > > =2372354/R=0/SIG=12id813k2/*https://www.orchardbank.com/h > > cs/hcsapplication?pf=PLApply&media=EMYHNL40F21004SS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > -------- > > > > * Links* > > > > > > > > * > > > > / > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > <?subj > > ect=Un> > > > > > > > > * > > Terms of > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 93 , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > There is only prana. That is all. However, human beings, working > under the illusory force of Maya, like to categorize. They > categorize prana by the tasks that it performs in the body. Thus, > there are considered to be 10 pranas. When, however, Prana > and Apana (or Ha and Tha) are diverted through certain sadhana > practices so that they unite at the Muladhara Chakra, then a new > name is given to that new function of prana, Kundalini. > > You are right about one thing, however. Kundalini, from one point > of view, is of a higher order than the other pranas because it is > the vehicle by which one ascends to higher spiritual awareness. > But, from another point of view, Kundalini is still prana, just prana performing a specialized task. Once again, Kundalini is NOT a prana at all. Kundalini is aspect of Devi, Parameshvari, GODDESS. Prana is subtle energy that sustains physical and subtle bodies. Kundalini cannot "perform a task" for u man! She is Goddess, not ur servant and not some kind of mechanical energy flow. U entirely misunderstand the concept of Kundalini in general. 110th Name of Lalita is "Kundalini" (in Lalita-sahasranama of Brahmanda-purana). > You seem to be confusing different methods of raising Kundalini > with the notion that there must therefore be different Kundalinis. Not at all. One Kundalini is manifesting Herself as upper and lower one. I GAVE U the reference, U again do not notice )). > There is only one Kundalini. And it acts through the Sushuma to > bring the vibration of the sadhak to the vibration of the 7 main > chakras and so gain spiritual awareness that is not possible in > any other way. > > You provide no examples to the contrary even though you say > that you can. Every seer and saint and guru that I have listened > to or read says as I have outlined. I have no sanskrit text with me now, i`m far from my home. However some i can provide: "Yoga-vishaya" says: "Prana, Upana, Samana, Udana and Vyana together with the (five) powers of action which constitute the aggregate of Kriya Shakti. [13] Naga, Kurma, Krikara, Devadetta and Dhananjaya and the five means of knowing constitute the aggregate of Jnana Shakti. [14]". While "Siddhasiddhanta-paddhati" says that "The 10 Vital Breaths or Vayus are related to different functions in the body. The most important vital breath is Prana, said to reside in the heart and consisting of expiration and inspiration, relating to the letters Ha and Sa (Hamsa)." (translations are not mine; taken from http://www. clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/tantra/) While Kundalini is above all this stuff . She is Ichchha-shakti as stated in shakta Upanishads. > Somepeople such as yourself seem to have the need to dispute > and be proud of it, It is an attempt to give themselves importance > and a sense of being. But needing an argument to provided a > sense of being only points to a lack of inner vision. You need to > do more sadhana and develop some more sattvic qualities. Ur attitude towards me doesn`t affect the truth. Whoever i be, i speak truth concerning THIS matter while u are in ignorance. Our sadhana is our own life. Come on, ask here - there are few representatives of authentic Shri- vidya tradition in this forum. I know the sourse of ur ideas - english books (maybe also hindi?) on so called "yoga", in fact type of fitness LOL. U try at least read some original sourses of yoga first, then u at least will be in position to discuss these matters. A. > , "Arjuna Taradasa" > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > 93 > > > > Kundalini is not at all "prana" in that sense of word as 10 > pranas > > are. That too Kundalini is not a result of bringing prana and > apana > > into sushumna. > > > > Yes, we can give U examples . But U cannot - no yogic text > describe > > "Kundalini formation" (!). Do U at least understand what utter > > nonsense U say with such an authority of "teacher of yoga and > > meditation"? LMAO > > > > Some schools believe that Kundalini (that one which is lower > > kundalini) can be awakened by means of what U described. Of > course, > > there are many traditions of Yoga not using this gross method. > > Ha and Tha of Raja-yoga is smth different as well. These are > two > > tattvas (principles) of existence, prana/apana pair is just one of > > lesser aspects of them. > > > > 10 pranas are controlling body functioning. Kundalini is shakti > of > > entirely different level. What U say here shows U`ve got no > experience > > as well as no understanding either . What yoga can U teach... > Yoga- > > fitness, gymnastics for a circus? Its a poor thing that yoga is > > profanized by such kind of "teachers" . > > > > BTW Kundalini was understood first of all as Matrika-shakti. > > And there is upper Kundalini and lower. References are: > Tantraloka, > > Kubjika-mata, Saubhagyalaxmi-upanishat and living tradition > . > > > > Love is the law, love under will. > > A. > > > > > > , "omprem" > <omprem> wrote: > > > > > > I think that you are mistaken on that. Could you give me an > > > example of a Yoga who does not know the mechanics of > > > Kundalini formation as sketched below? > > > > > > Kundalini is prana. From the Yogic viewpoint, there is one > prana, > > > but when it comes to the human body, prana that performs a > > > specialized function is given a specific name. There are 5 > major > > > pranas (Prana, Apana, Samana, Udana and Vyana) and 5 > minor > > > pranas (Naga, Kurma, Kirkara, Devadatta, and Dhanajaya). > The > > > major pranas known as Prana and Apana flow through the > Ida > > > and Pingala nadis and are also known as Ha and Tha. The > aim > > > of Raja Yoga practices is to unite Ha and Tha (Prana and > > > Apana). When this occurs, that combined prana performs a > > > specialized function and is then given the name, Kundalini. > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > , Lars Hedström > > > <lars@2...> wrote: > > > > > > > > omprem wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini is subtle Prana. It is formed by redirecting the > > > pranas > > > > > that flow in the Ida and Pingala nadis. Go back to your > > > teacher > > > > > and have her explain these nadis and their operation in a > > > way > > > > > that you understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogis are not in agreement when explaining the difference > > > between > > > > kundalini and prana so how do you know the one and only > > > truth? > > > > > > > > Lars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > SophiasHeaven@a... > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > I wonder if somebody might feel inspired to explain at > > > least a > > > > > little bit > > > > > > more than this here below, excerpted from a yoga site, > on > > > what > > > > > is the > > > > > > difference and the connection between Kundalini and > > > Prana: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini has connection with subtle Prana. Subtle > > > Prana > > > > > has connection > > > > > > > with the subtle Nadis and Chakras. Subtle Nadis > have > > > > > connection with the mind. > > > > > > > Mind has connection all through the body. You have > > > heard > > > > > that there is mind in > > > > > > > every cell of the body. Prana is the working force of the > > > body. > > > > > It is > > > > > > > dynamic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After Kundalini is awakened, Prana passes upwards > > > through > > > > > Brahma Nadi along > > > > > > > with mind and Agni. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm#_VPID_ > > > > > 56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings and Peace, > > > > > > Cathie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > > > > > click here > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ttjgtf/M=315388.5500238.6578 > > > > 046.3001176/D=groups/S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1098202505/A > > > > =2372354/R=0/SIG=12id813k2/*https://www.orchardbank.com/h > > > > cs/hcsapplication?pf=PLApply&media=EMYHNL40F21004SS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- ---- > > -------- > > > > > * Links* > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <?subj > > > ect=Un> > > > > > > > > > > * > > > Terms of > > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2004 Report Share Posted October 19, 2004 It is beyond me why you insist on arguing. If you want to divinize Kundalini because it is the prana that takes one to Self-Realization that is fine with me. 'Shakti' is the creative principle of existence. It is located in the phenomenal world. It is the effective aspect of Shiva. There is more to Shakti than iccha-shakti. There is kriya-shakti and jnana-shakti and some would add cit-shakti and ananda-shakti. The Kaula-Jnana-Nirnaya (XX.10) lists 9 kinds of shakti. In addition to the higher power of kundalini (para-shakti) and the lower power (apara shakti), there is also nija shakti (innate power), sukshma shakti (subtle power) and kundalini shakti (serpent power), satta shakti (power of being), ahanta shakti (power of 'I-ness'), sphuratta shakti (power of manifestation) and kala shakti (power of partial existence). (Siddha Siddhanta Paddhati). The Yoga Vasishtha says that all of these shaktis reside in the human body as both a cosmological reality and a psychological reality. Some of the shaktis create psychology problems, ie. I-ness and others resolve them, ie. kundalini shakti Omprem , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > > > There is only prana. That is all. However, human beings, working > > under the illusory force of Maya, like to categorize. They > > categorize prana by the tasks that it performs in the body. Thus, > > there are considered to be 10 pranas. When, however, Prana > > and Apana (or Ha and Tha) are diverted through certain sadhana > > practices so that they unite at the Muladhara Chakra, then a new > > name is given to that new function of prana, Kundalini. > > > > You are right about one thing, however. Kundalini, from one point > > of view, is of a higher order than the other pranas because it is > > the vehicle by which one ascends to higher spiritual awareness. > > But, from another point of view, Kundalini is still prana, just > prana performing a specialized task. > > Once again, Kundalini is NOT a prana at all. Kundalini is aspect of > Devi, Parameshvari, GODDESS. Prana is subtle energy that sustains > physical and subtle bodies. > Kundalini cannot "perform a task" for u man! She is Goddess, not ur > servant and not some kind of mechanical energy flow. > U entirely misunderstand the concept of Kundalini in general. > > 110th Name of Lalita is "Kundalini" (in Lalita-sahasranama of > Brahmanda-purana). > > > You seem to be confusing different methods of raising Kundalini > > with the notion that there must therefore be different Kundalinis. > > Not at all. One Kundalini is manifesting Herself as upper and lower > one. I GAVE U the reference, U again do not notice )). > > > There is only one Kundalini. And it acts through the Sushuma to > > bring the vibration of the sadhak to the vibration of the 7 main > > chakras and so gain spiritual awareness that is not possible in > > any other way. > > > > You provide no examples to the contrary even though you say > > that you can. Every seer and saint and guru that I have listened > > to or read says as I have outlined. > > I have no sanskrit text with me now, i`m far from my home. However > some i can provide: > "Yoga-vishaya" says: "Prana, Upana, Samana, Udana and Vyana together > with the (five) powers of action which constitute the aggregate of > Kriya Shakti. [13] > Naga, Kurma, Krikara, Devadetta and Dhananjaya and the five means of > knowing constitute the aggregate of Jnana Shakti. [14]". > While "Siddhasiddhanta-paddhati" says that "The 10 Vital Breaths or > Vayus are related to different functions in the body. The most > important vital breath is Prana, said to reside in the heart and > consisting of expiration and inspiration, relating to the letters Ha > and Sa (Hamsa)." (translations are not mine; taken from http://www. > clas.ufl.edu/users/gthursby/tantra/) > While Kundalini is above all this stuff . She is Ichchha-shakti as > stated in shakta Upanishads. > > > Somepeople such as yourself seem to have the need to dispute > > and be proud of it, It is an attempt to give themselves importance > > and a sense of being. But needing an argument to provided a > > sense of being only points to a lack of inner vision. You need to > > do more sadhana and develop some more sattvic qualities. > > Ur attitude towards me doesn`t affect the truth. Whoever i be, i speak > truth concerning THIS matter while u are in ignorance. > Our sadhana is our own life. > > Come on, ask here - there are few representatives of authentic Shri- > vidya tradition in this forum. > I know the sourse of ur ideas - english books (maybe also hindi?) on > so called "yoga", in fact type of fitness LOL. U try at least read > some original sourses of yoga first, then u at least will be in > position to discuss these matters. > > A. > > > , "Arjuna Taradasa" > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > > > 93 > > > > > > Kundalini is not at all "prana" in that sense of word as 10 > > pranas > > > are. That too Kundalini is not a result of bringing prana and > > apana > > > into sushumna. > > > > > > Yes, we can give U examples . But U cannot - no yogic text > > describe > > > "Kundalini formation" (!). Do U at least understand what utter > > > nonsense U say with such an authority of "teacher of yoga and > > > meditation"? LMAO > > > > > > Some schools believe that Kundalini (that one which is lower > > > kundalini) can be awakened by means of what U described. Of > > course, > > > there are many traditions of Yoga not using this gross method. > > > Ha and Tha of Raja-yoga is smth different as well. These are > > two > > > tattvas (principles) of existence, prana/apana pair is just one of > > > lesser aspects of them. > > > > > > 10 pranas are controlling body functioning. Kundalini is shakti > > of > > > entirely different level. What U say here shows U`ve got no > > experience > > > as well as no understanding either . What yoga can U teach... > > Yoga- > > > fitness, gymnastics for a circus? Its a poor thing that yoga is > > > profanized by such kind of "teachers" . > > > > > > BTW Kundalini was understood first of all as Matrika-shakti. > > > And there is upper Kundalini and lower. References are: > > Tantraloka, > > > Kubjika-mata, Saubhagyalaxmi-upanishat and living tradition > > . > > > > > > Love is the law, love under will. > > > A. > > > > > > > > > , "omprem" > > <omprem> wrote: > > > > > > > > I think that you are mistaken on that. Could you give me an > > > > example of a Yoga who does not know the mechanics of > > > > Kundalini formation as sketched below? > > > > > > > > Kundalini is prana. From the Yogic viewpoint, there is one > > prana, > > > > but when it comes to the human body, prana that performs a > > > > specialized function is given a specific name. There are 5 > > major > > > > pranas (Prana, Apana, Samana, Udana and Vyana) and 5 > > minor > > > > pranas (Naga, Kurma, Kirkara, Devadatta, and Dhanajaya). > > The > > > > major pranas known as Prana and Apana flow through the > > Ida > > > > and Pingala nadis and are also known as Ha and Tha. The > > aim > > > > of Raja Yoga practices is to unite Ha and Tha (Prana and > > > > Apana). When this occurs, that combined prana performs a > > > > specialized function and is then given the name, Kundalini. > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > , Lars Hedström > > > > <lars@2...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > omprem wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini is subtle Prana. It is formed by redirecting the > > > > pranas > > > > > > that flow in the Ida and Pingala nadis. Go back to your > > > > teacher > > > > > > and have her explain these nadis and their operation in a > > > > way > > > > > > that you understand. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yogis are not in agreement when explaining the difference > > > > between > > > > > kundalini and prana so how do you know the one and only > > > > truth? > > > > > > > > > > Lars > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > SophiasHeaven@a... > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I wonder if somebody might feel inspired to explain at > > > > least a > > > > > > little bit > > > > > > > more than this here below, excerpted from a yoga site, > > on > > > > what > > > > > > is the > > > > > > > difference and the connection between Kundalini and > > > > Prana: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kundalini has connection with subtle Prana. Subtle > > > > Prana > > > > > > has connection > > > > > > > > with the subtle Nadis and Chakras. Subtle Nadis > > have > > > > > > connection with the mind. > > > > > > > > Mind has connection all through the body. You have > > > > heard > > > > > > that there is mind in > > > > > > > > every cell of the body. Prana is the working force of > the > > > > body. > > > > > > It is > > > > > > > > dynamic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > After Kundalini is awakened, Prana passes upwards > > > > through > > > > > > Brahma Nadi along > > > > > > > > with mind and Agni. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.sivanandadlshq.org/download/kundalini.htm#_VPID_ > > > > > > 56 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Blessings and Peace, > > > > > > > Cathie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Sponsor* > > > > > > > > > > > > click here > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://us.ard./SIG=129ttjgtf/M=315388.5500238.6578 > > > > > > 046.3001176/D=groups/S=1705075991:HM/EXP=1098202505/A > > > > > > =2372354/R=0/SIG=12id813k2/*https://www.orchardbank.com/h > > > > > > cs/hcsapplication?pf=PLApply&media=EMYHNL40F21004SS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------- > ---- > > > -------- > > > > > > * Links* > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > / > > > > > > > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <?subj > > > > ect=Un> > > > > > > > > > > > > * Your use of is subject to the > > > > Terms of > > > > > > Service <>. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 I started my spiritual career within occultism, I was a member of an association which taught that raising kundalini was made only visualizing a snake rising up the spine. I got a horrible kundalini backlash after a couple of months, I litterally crawled on the floor. It took me 6 months to recover. So it is apparent to me that the kundalini has an existence beyond the work with prana - if you understand what I mean. Later on, when I had read books about kundalini yoga, I was kicked out of this occult association when I attacked their incorrect way of teaching kundalini-raising. Even if my perception changed during my backlash , the strange thing is that I had no experience of the godess whatsoever until I had done kundalini yoga in a real manner for a couple of years. Regards Lars --- omprem wrote: > > When, however, Prana > and Apana (or Ha and Tha) are diverted through certain sadhana > practices so that they unite at the Muladhara Chakra, then a new > name is given to that new function of prana, Kundalini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 There are many who seek to raise Kundalini prematurely through an eagerness to gain spiritual experience and a lack of understanding of the dangers of raising Kundalini without first purifying themselves so that they are capable of withstanding this powerful prana. This premature raising of Kundalini has become so prevalent that it is now even recognized by the psychiatric profession and is in their DSM as spiritual emergence. It can be deadly. It can lead to permanent psychosis, debilitating illness and even death. Your experience was fortunately mild as far as Kundalini experiences go. I and a few others in my city consel those who have premature Kundalini rising. We concentrate on allaying their fear and providing grounding and purifying activities. It is unfortunate that you were not prepared well by the first group that you with which you were associated. Omprem , Lars Hedström <lars@2...> wrote: > > I started my spiritual career within occultism, I was a member of an > association which taught that raising kundalini was made only > visualizing a snake rising up the spine. > > I got a horrible kundalini backlash after a couple of months, I > litterally crawled on the floor. It took me 6 months to recover. So it > is apparent to me that the kundalini has an existence beyond the work > with prana - if you understand what I mean. > > Later on, when I had read books about kundalini yoga, I was kicked out > of this occult association when I attacked their incorrect way of > teaching kundalini-raising. > > Even if my perception changed during my backlash , the strange thing is > that I had no experience of the godess whatsoever until I had done > kundalini yoga in a real manner for a couple of years. > > Regards > > Lars > > --- omprem wrote: > > > > When, however, Prana > > and Apana (or Ha and Tha) are diverted through certain sadhana > > practices so that they unite at the Muladhara Chakra, then a new > > name is given to that new function of prana, Kundalini. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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