Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 93 As i expected my question about usage of "kundalini-prana" term and description of its "formation" (term invented by u) were ignored . Because the answer doesn`t exist. , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > " Can u cite ANY text supporting ur view that Kundalini is > a specific prana which is "prodused" from joining prana with > apana in sushumna?" > > The Complete Illustrated Book of Yoga -Swami > Vishnudevananda > > Bliss Divine - Swami Sivananda Wow, great Agamas and Yoga-shastras LOL. Even though i believe these guys wouldn`t write such nonsense; thus i will be happy to get exact quotations . > The Serpent Power - Arthur Avalon There is nothing like that there. > "how is it possible that subtle physical energies give birth to > power of Consciousness?" > > This lack of knowledge is behind all of your posts. You need to > seek a Guru to dispell your veil of ignorance on trhis subject. Do > more sadhana so that your intellect and mind become clearer > and stronger and so that your psychology becomes less > obstinate and combative and more open and exploratory. U simply ignore the point again . Have U btw tried to awaken Kundalini by electro-shock? It should work for U perhaps! Electricity may also form a current inside Ur body and U will get an experience as well. Physiological phenomena never make a person more spiritual. Maybe what U think to be spirituality is simply Ur digestion . Then it becomes understandable why U were so concerned about diet stuff and why U "discovered" a method of "forming" Kundalini by prana and apana LOL. Suggest U at least read some good books first. No sadhana, forget for now. Try to understand at least what U are talking about... > Omprem > > > > , "Arjuna Taradasa" > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > 93 > > > > Evidence that prove my words to be right are tantric and yogic > > scriptures. I see u haven`t read them. That is why FOR U it is > not > > convincing - u simply are unaware what they say . > > > > Teachings of "every master" are virtual - noone can prove what > u or i > > heard or not. Can u cite ANY text supporting ur view that > Kundalini is > > a specific prana which is "prodused" from joining prana with > apana in > > sushumna? What yoga tradition teaches this? > > > > To speak about logic , ok. Plz show me where i contradict > myself. > > However ur ideas are contradictory - how is it possible that > subtle > > physical energies give birth to power of Consciousness? > Something like > > Darwin theory LOL. It is against nature of things and against > logic. > > Tattvas emanate from up to down, thus Kundalini existed > "before" > > pranas appeared. Kundalini is that shakti who gives birth to > lower > > energies of body, never vice versa. > > > > Kundalini is connected with Consciousness, Samvit. She is > not some > > "impersonal" prana, vehicle "to go up" or a snake that u can > awake by > > a stick LOL. > > > > Only grace of Parameshvari awakenes "lower" Kundalini... > > > > "Ascetism, rituals and yoga are of no use. On the way of Kula > that is > > free of illusion, only Love saves". (Kularnava-tantra) > > > > A. > > > > > > , "omprem" > <omprem> wrote: > > > > > > And yet you fail utterly to provide any evidence whatsoever > that > > > what I say is 'off'. For someone who claims to value scientific > > > method, you are quick to dispense with it when making > > > assertions that you cannot prove about things that you do not > > > understand. > > > > > > But you do provide plenty of evidence that your own views do > not > > > even stand up to the most elementary logical analysis. You > show > > > not the slightest ability to understand what the saints and > seers > > > have to say about koshas, prana, and Kundaliini. > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > , "Arjuna > Taradasa" > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > 93 > > > > > > > > The problem is not the difference of opinion. Everyone has > the > > > right > > > > to think and express what they think. > > > > > > > > The problem is that "Omprem" said he expresses the view > of > > > particular > > > > tradition (that too saying he`s a teacher of it!) - while what > he > > > said > > > > is totally off. > > > > > > > > If i say some nonsense, it is just my ignorant viewpoint. But > if i > > > say > > > > that this nonsense is the doctrine of Yoga, the case is > different, > > > > isn`t it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you so cricital? > > > > > Why must everyone attack Omprem? > > > > > This answer makes sense to me from an intuitive level, > it > > > sounds > > > > good to > > > > > me. > > > > > Omprem didn't say this is the one and only "truth" -- > > he's > > > > only > > > > > answering my question, and rather graciously, at that. > > > > > I appreciate this answer, and can't see why you should > > > attack it. > > > > If you > > > > > have a different explanation of Kundalini and Prana, > please > > > offer it > > > > for > > > > > consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 "how is it possible that subtle physical energies give birth to power of Consciousness?" This lack of knowledge is behind all of your posts. You need to seek a Guru to dispell your veil of ignorance on trhis subject. Do more sadhana so that your intellect and mind become clearer and stronger and so that your psychology becomes less obstinate and combative and more open and exploratory. Until such time as you have moved beyond tamas and are capable of legitimate inquiry it is as useless to attempt a discourse with you as it is to attempt a discourse with pebble or a frog. Omprem , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > As i expected my question about usage of "kundalini-prana" term and > description of its "formation" (term invented by u) were ignored . > Because the answer doesn`t exist. > > > , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > > > " Can u cite ANY text supporting ur view that Kundalini is "how is it possible that subtle physical energies give birth to power of Consciousness?" This lack of knowledge is behind all of your posts. You need to seek a Guru to dispell your veil of ignorance on trhis subject. Do more sadhana so that your intellect and mind become clearer and stronger and so that your psychology becomes less obstinate and combative and more open and exploratory. > > > > a specific prana which is "prodused" from joining prana with > > apana in sushumna?" > > > > The Complete Illustrated Book of Yoga -Swami > > Vishnudevananda > > > > Bliss Divine - Swami Sivananda > > > Wow, great Agamas and Yoga-shastras LOL. Even though i believe these > guys wouldn`t write such nonsense; thus i will be happy to get exact > quotations . > > > > The Serpent Power - Arthur Avalon > > > There is nothing like that there. > > > > "how is it possible that subtle physical energies give birth to > > power of Consciousness?" > > > > This lack of knowledge is behind all of your posts. You need to > > seek a Guru to dispell your veil of ignorance on trhis subject. Do > > more sadhana so that your intellect and mind become clearer > > and stronger and so that your psychology becomes less > > obstinate and combative and more open and exploratory. > > > U simply ignore the point again . > Have U btw tried to awaken Kundalini by electro-shock? It should work > for U perhaps! Electricity may also form a current inside Ur body and > U will get an experience as well. > > Physiological phenomena never make a person more spiritual. Maybe what > U think to be spirituality is simply Ur digestion . Then it becomes > understandable why U were so concerned about diet stuff and why U > "discovered" a method of "forming" Kundalini by prana and apana LOL. > > Suggest U at least read some good books first. No sadhana, forget for > now. Try to understand at least what U are talking about... > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > , "Arjuna Taradasa" > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > > > 93 > > > > > > Evidence that prove my words to be right are tantric and yogic > > > scriptures. I see u haven`t read them. That is why FOR U it is > > not > > > convincing - u simply are unaware what they say . > > > > > > Teachings of "every master" are virtual - noone can prove what > > u or i > > > heard or not. Can u cite ANY text supporting ur view that > > Kundalini is > > > a specific prana which is "prodused" from joining prana with > > apana in > > > sushumna? What yoga tradition teaches this? > > > > > > To speak about logic , ok. Plz show me where i contradict > > myself. > > > However ur ideas are contradictory - how is it possible that > > subtle > > > physical energies give birth to power of Consciousness? > > Something like > > > Darwin theory LOL. It is against nature of things and against > > logic. > > > Tattvas emanate from up to down, thus Kundalini existed > > "before" > > > pranas appeared. Kundalini is that shakti who gives birth to > > lower > > > energies of body, never vice versa. > > > > > > Kundalini is connected with Consciousness, Samvit. She is > > not some > > > "impersonal" prana, vehicle "to go up" or a snake that u can > > awake by > > > a stick LOL. > > > > > > Only grace of Parameshvari awakenes "lower" Kundalini... > > > > > > "Ascetism, rituals and yoga are of no use. On the way of Kula > > that is > > > free of illusion, only Love saves". (Kularnava-tantra) > > > > > > A. > > > > > > > > > , "omprem" > > <omprem> wrote: > > > > > > > > And yet you fail utterly to provide any evidence whatsoever > > that > > > > what I say is 'off'. For someone who claims to value scientific > > > > method, you are quick to dispense with it when making > > > > assertions that you cannot prove about things that you do not > > > > understand. > > > > > > > > But you do provide plenty of evidence that your own views do > > not > > > > even stand up to the most elementary logical analysis. You > > show > > > > not the slightest ability to understand what the saints and > > seers > > > > have to say about koshas, prana, and Kundaliini. > > > > > > > > > > > > Omprem > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Arjuna > > Taradasa" > > > > <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 93 > > > > > > > > > > The problem is not the difference of opinion. Everyone has > > the > > > > right > > > > > to think and express what they think. > > > > > > > > > > The problem is that "Omprem" said he expresses the view > > of > > > > particular > > > > > tradition (that too saying he`s a teacher of it!) - while what > > he > > > > said > > > > > is totally off. > > > > > > > > > > If i say some nonsense, it is just my ignorant viewpoint. But > > if i > > > > say > > > > > that this nonsense is the doctrine of Yoga, the case is > > different, > > > > > isn`t it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why are you so cricital? > > > > > > Why must everyone attack Omprem? > > > > > > This answer makes sense to me from an intuitive level, > > it > > > > sounds > > > > > good to > > > > > > me. > > > > > > Omprem didn't say this is the one and only "truth" -- > > > he's > > > > > only > > > > > > answering my question, and rather graciously, at that. > > > > > > I appreciate this answer, and can't see why you should > > > > attack it. > > > > > If you > > > > > > have a different explanation of Kundalini and Prana, > > please > > > > offer it > > > > > for > > > > > > consideration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 93 How U ignore simple and exact questions is indeed amazing LOL. Is that a kind of siddhi U achieved through Ur special yoga?.. Till now i have NOT EVEN ONE answer from U, only aparadhas . Do U understand discussion as saying to anything "u are ignorant and have to study"? It is U who show total absense of EVEN scriptural knowledge not to say about practical. Yes i`m very tamasic and most stupid . But even i can understand things which u cannot. It shows something, yeah? , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > "how is it possible that subtle physical energies give birth to > power of Consciousness?" > > This lack of knowledge is behind all of your posts. You need to > seek a Guru to dispell your veil of ignorance on trhis subject. > Do more sadhana so that your intellect and mind become > clearer and stronger and so that your psychology becomes less > obstinate and combative and more open and exploratory. > > Until such time as you have moved beyond tamas and are > capable of legitimate inquiry it is as useless to attempt a > discourse with you as it is to attempt a discourse with pebble or > a frog. > > Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2004 Report Share Posted October 20, 2004 "how is it possible that subtle physical energies give birth to power of Consciousness?" This lack of knowledge is behind all of your posts. You need to seek a Guru to dispell your veil of ignorance on trhis subject. Do more sadhana so that your intellect and mind become clearer and stronger and so that your psychology becomes less obstinate and combative and more open and exploratory. Until such time as you have moved beyond tamas and are capable of legitimate inquiry it is as useless to attempt a discourse with you as it is to attempt a discourse with pebble or a frog. Omprem , "Arjuna Taradasa" <bhagatirtha@m...> wrote: > > 93 > > How U ignore simple and exact questions is indeed amazing LOL. Is that > a kind of siddhi U achieved through Ur special yoga?.. > Till now i have NOT EVEN ONE answer from U, only aparadhas . Do U > understand discussion as saying to anything "u are ignorant and have > to study"? It is U who show total absense of EVEN scriptural knowledge > not to say about practical. > Yes i`m very tamasic and most stupid . But even i can understand > things which u cannot. It shows something, yeah? > > > , "omprem" <omprem> wrote: > > > > "how is it possible that subtle physical energies give birth to > > power of Consciousness?" > > > > This lack of knowledge is behind all of your posts. You need to > > seek a Guru to dispell your veil of ignorance on trhis subject. > > Do more sadhana so that your intellect and mind become > > clearer and stronger and so that your psychology becomes less > > obstinate and combative and more open and exploratory. > > > > Until such time as you have moved beyond tamas and are > > capable of legitimate inquiry it is as useless to attempt a > > discourse with you as it is to attempt a discourse with pebble or > > a frog. > > > > Omprem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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