Kali Yuga- Devotion the most popular but least understood !!!

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Dear K.K.,

Yes, I understand you perfectly, and you are right.

I am not a Hindu, frankly, and the only type of Hindu

worship I really know, and even that not perfectly, is

Shiva puja. I also know about the kind of rote

cold-porridge devotion you spoke of that says "I love

you" with some small twinge of sentiment behind it,

and little else. When I, myself say "devotion",

however, I mean a real workup of emotion directed at

the Deity, culminating in bhava samadhi, or actual

emotional highlights, like crying and shaking. In the

West we are enjoined, "Inflame Thyself with Prayer!",

but a lot of people think it just means yelling.

Indians are much better than us Westerners at getting

all worked up...our Western festivals, unless fueled

by liberal doses of alcohol, are relatively sedate

affairs by comparison! I generally do bhava-type

devotionals in private, but I have gone public a few

times, and people can barely deal with it...one is

made to feel embarrassed and self conscious for

"losing control", and thus the energy is inhibited and

stifled. But "losing control"is the IDEA! It is the

emotional energy expended that fuels the rocket ship

of prayer! The tales of miracles or revelations

conferred upon the person who "lost it" and wept and

cried out from the heart to God to intervene are

familiar to everyone. It can be awkward at times...I

can hardly read the Bhagavad-Gita without tears

streaming down my face, and since I carry it around

with me to read at odd moments, like on the subway, I

try to always choose an inconspicuous seat!

A favorite Ramakrishna tale of mine is the one

where Mathura Babu, the director of the Dakshineswar

Kali Temple asked Ramakrishna to give him the

experience of "Bhava", that is, he wanted to

experience ecstatic emotional highlights in his

devotion like Ramakrishna did. Ramakrishna told

him,"You do not need Bhava; you are serving God with

your dedicated work for the temple!" But Mathur Babu

insisted, "No, I must have Bhava!". So Ramakrishna

agreed. He reached out and rubbed Mathur Babu on his

Anahita chakra (the heart). A short while later,

Mathur Babu discovered that every time he thought

about God, or even heard the Name of God spoken around

him, he would immediately burst into uncontrollable

floods of tears and rapture! After a day or two of

this, he sent for Ramakrishna. "Master! Please take

this Bhava back!" he begged, "I cannot do any of my

work because I am always crying, and everything is

falling apart! You were right! Bhava is for you, and

not for me!" So, Ramakrishna touched Mathur Babu's

heart chakra again, and took back the Bhava!

Lilith M.

--- kanna krishnan <kanna_krishnan2002

wrote:

> Dear Lili,

>

> You declared ;

>

> I see the signs everywhere. This is why I encourage

> people

> to get right with God through devotion, not through

> long drawn-out circuitous methods.

>

> Pleaes allow me to share :

>

> The Devi Khadgala Mala , Sri Vidya and other worship

> are not long drawn -out circuitous methods they are

> the very thing that create the devotion you claim .

> The western concept of devotion is about only about

> the FEELING love and it stops there but in Hinduism

> bhakthi yoga has it's own scripture like Narada

> Bakthi Sutra ,Sandilya sutra and so forth to show

> the methodological step to achive them . In BG

> ,Krishna said offer anything with devotion and He

> would accept it . But he did not say anything is

> devotion. Even devotion has various steps to

> achieve them ( please read text like Srimad

> Bhavagavatham)Then again there is para and apara

> bhakthi as well ....

>

> The popular notion today is to say I have devotion

> and love for God and that is it . But only bonafide

> master ( guru) from proper parampara ( lineage of

> spiritual teaching) can guide the practioner in the

> ocean of multituides of spritual practices.Just look

> at Ramakrishna though he talked about Supreme

> devotion how many orthodox guru he learnt from ,yet

> somebody just read the english version of the Gospel

> ( which reduce and sensored the actual bengal copy

> written by M) an says the feeling I love God suffice

> ............ This what I call book-knowledge .....

>

> Please dont assume merely saying I have devotion is

> devotion. In western culture I love you is the word

> the child saying before kissing the mom on the cheek

> while going to school . In eastern culture the word

> I love you takes a lot of courage and commitment

> before it is said and that is also not done

> frequently because the word has such a high

> connotation.

>

> Everything has an intricate approach in any

> religious system not only hinduism and only devoted

> would spent time practicing circuitous methods and

> the more we practice the more our yearning for Her

> develop. So we actually dont find it circuitous but

> on contrary it is adventurous !!!

> It is not long ardous activity for the lover who

> waits for his lover to use the road he is waiting,

> it actually creates more yearning in his heart.Sri

> Vidya upasana and others methodlogical approach are

> such and people who have no yearning for God would

> not even touch them..........fror them it is

> mystical and symbolical only !

>

> Kudos!!!, to SS moderators for sharing Devi

> Khadgamala and Swami Amritaji for sharing what we

> are learning ,truly the years to come we would find

> hard to find such a commitment share this paractices

> to new members as shown here ...........

>

> And as for those who are thinking bhakthi is just

> devotion to God as I understand it ,well Hindusim

> offers what experience bhaktas like Narada and

> Sandilya says about this.

>

> Just like what they say repharaphrased here -if you

> dont like then leave but try first before you judge

> ................

>

> Jai Maa!!

>

> Everytime DKMS

>

>

> Lili Masamura <sephirah5 wrote:

> I have done a great deal of meditation on the topic,

> and i think that perhaps at one time Kali Yugas may

> have taken this long, but now, with our speeded up

> sense of time, I believe that Kali Yuga has

> progressed

> to the point that it will be much much shorter now.

> Maybe when we were all animals and plants it would

> take 432,000 years. Now, I am personally convinced

> we

> can expect the Ghora (Fearsome) Yuga in about 10

> years. The tenth(?) Avatar of Vishnu, Nishkalanka or

> Kalki, the White Horse Avatar, is in the offing. I

> see

> the signs everywhere. This is why I encourage people

> to get right with God through devotion, not through

> long drawn-out circuitous methods. God is never so

> accessible at any other time as He/She is during

> Kali

> Yuga.

> Lilith M.

> --- Detective_Mongo_Phd

> <detective_mongo_phd wrote:

>

> > Kali Yuga just having started will certainly

> > manifest spirituality into a

> > material or evidential creed of various practices

> > utilizing science

> > eventually. There's 432,000 years left.

> >

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