Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 In a message dated 10/22/2004 2:07:19 PM Mountain Daylight Time, ammasmon writes: > This is a good story... i extrapolate that the Guru can take any > attribute away from you (virtue or vice), or add any attribute to > you. BUT, he never interferes with your karma/destiny directly > unless he gets an inner divine sanction. > > Goes to show > 1. the awesome power that the Guru carries with him so easily > 2. the supreme self-control in not using it indiscriminately > > I have recently been praying to my guru for the gift of love; of > loving anybody and everybody, starting with having an intenser (than > current) love for the Guru first... this story inspires me to > continue to tug at the Guru's large heart. > > Thanks for sharing. > > Jai Ma! nobody can take away a power that you have earned that you know within yourself. if a guru gives you some power of his/hers to help you learn -- that he/she can take back to the extent you have not learned it from the spirit teacher he/she blesses you with... i don't believe anybody can take away anything you have already attained to -- except by thievery and i don't believe a guru would steal something that didn't belong to him/her... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 This is a good story... i extrapolate that the Guru can take any attribute away from you (virtue or vice), or add any attribute to you. BUT, he never interferes with your karma/destiny directly unless he gets an inner divine sanction. Goes to show 1. the awesome power that the Guru carries with him so easily 2. the supreme self-control in not using it indiscriminately I have recently been praying to my guru for the gift of love; of loving anybody and everybody, starting with having an intenser (than current) love for the Guru first... this story inspires me to continue to tug at the Guru's large heart. Thanks for sharing. Jai Ma! , Lili Masamura <sephirah5> wrote: > A favorite Ramakrishna tale of mine is the one > where Mathura Babu, the director of the Dakshineswar > Kali Temple asked Ramakrishna to give him the > experience of "Bhava", Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:20:49 PM Mountain Daylight Time, omprem writes: > the Guru can take the prana of the sadhaka and redirect it so > that kundalini forms. Then the Guru can take that Kundalini up as > high as the sadhaka is able to stand it . This is called > Shaktipat. Afterwards the sadhaka has that knowldedge of > Brahman vibrating in his/her astral body as a lure to inform > his/her sadhana afterwards. > > Omprem Does the Guru take the prana of the sadhaka out of his/her body? Or use polarity to draw it up through the Guru's concsious intent and astral projection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:20:49 PM Mountain Daylight Time, omprem writes: > This is called > Shaktipat. Afterwards the sadhaka has that knowldedge of > Brahman vibrating in his/her astral body as a lure to inform > his/her sadhana afterwards. > > Omprem > I felt that way before. I felt like a universe spinning behind my third eye and a feeling of electricity. when i came out of the trance, i realized i had "left my hands dangling" in mid air. pretty strange experience !!! and for days i felt like i had x-ray vision and could see "through" clouds and stuff and see "through" people eyes to i dunno just through -- but when that happened, i did not know a guru... that only happened once in my life, back in college, and it was just like the other trance times except with the added enjoyment of the universe spinning in my third eye -- i guess it was the universe :-] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2004 Report Share Posted October 22, 2004 the Guru can take the prana of the sadhaka and redirect it so that kundalini forms. Then the Guru can take that Kundalini up as high as the sadhaka is able to stand it . This is called Shaktipat. Afterwards the sadhaka has that knowldedge of Brahman vibrating in his/her astral body as a lure to inform his/her sadhana afterwards. Omprem , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/2004 2:07:19 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > ammasmon@s... writes: > > > This is a good story... i extrapolate that the Guru can take any > > attribute away from you (virtue or vice), or add any attribute to > > you. BUT, he never interferes with your karma/destiny directly > > unless he gets an inner divine sanction. > > > > Goes to show > > 1. the awesome power that the Guru carries with him so easily > > 2. the supreme self-control in not using it indiscriminately > > > > I have recently been praying to my guru for the gift of love; of > > loving anybody and everybody, starting with having an intenser (than > > current) love for the Guru first... this story inspires me to > > continue to tug at the Guru's large heart. > > > > Thanks for sharing. > > > > Jai Ma! > > nobody can take away a power that you have earned that you know within > yourself. > if a guru gives you some power of his/hers to help you learn -- that he/she > can take back to the extent you have not learned it from the spirit teacher > he/she blesses you with... > > i don't believe anybody can take away anything you have already attained to > -- except by thievery and i don't believe a guru would steal something that > didn't belong to him/her... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2004 Report Share Posted October 25, 2004 "Does the Guru take the prana of the sadhaka out of his/her body? Or use polarity to draw it up through the Guru's concsious intent and astral projection?" The Self-Realized Guru has access to all of the astral planes and all of the higher spiritual planes. He she can be anywhere or everywhere. He/she has all the siddhis. He/she knows the mind of the aspirant, knows every thought going through the aspirant's conscious and subconscious mind, knows the past lives of the aspirant, and knows what karma the aspirant is work out in this life. Because of all this, the Guru is the best guide for the aspirant. In Shaktipata, the Guru removes obstacles to the proper functioning of aspirant's chakras, opens the Brahma Granthi at the aspirant's Muladhara chakra, transmits Shakti into the aspirant. Kundalini rises as high as the aspirant is able to handle. Then the Guru releases the aspirant and the aspirant is unable to hold Kundalini up and it subsides. But the memory of the process remains and Divine experience remains in the cells and the astral body of the aspirant as an incentive to do sadhana and so create Kundalinni on his/her own. The Guru is not like the rest of us. The Guru is God/dess incarnate. The aspirant too is God/dess incarnate. The difference between the two is that the Guru is awake and knows that he/she is God/dess incarnate, identifies with his/her Divinity, and maintains always God/dess consciousness. The aspirant is asleep and is unaware of his/her True identity as God/dess. The Guru is the guide and can take the aspirant up to the threshhold of spiritual enlightenment. But it is the aspirant who must walk through the door. Because the Guru is God/dess incarnate, most disciples adore their Guru as God/dess. This is not surprising. Most of us need a concrete symbol of the Divine upon which to focus our intention. We use Murthis to focus our attention. Most of us use Saguna Mantras representing a specific deity for that reason. It is only a few, such as Jnana Yogis, who use abstract Nirguna Mantras that do not have such a concrete representation. The aspirant sees the Guru as someone that the aspirant is not. This is the mistake. The aspirant is the Guru, the Guru is the aspirant.They are both Brahman, just as two waves are not separate from the ocean or from each other. Omprem , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > In a message dated 10/22/2004 8:20:49 PM Mountain Daylight Time, > omprem writes: > > > the Guru can take the prana of the sadhaka and redirect it so > > that kundalini forms. Then the Guru can take that Kundalini up as > > high as the sadhaka is able to stand it . This is called > > Shaktipat. Afterwards the sadhaka has that knowldedge of > > Brahman vibrating in his/her astral body as a lure to inform > > his/her sadhana afterwards. > > > > Omprem > > Does the Guru take the prana of the sadhaka out of his/her body? Or use > polarity to draw it up through the Guru's concsious intent and astral projection? > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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