Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 That's all fine and good if one accepts the notion of Sin. Biblically, Sin is a term from archery, and hence the parables that have to do with archers and bows and arrows ( the worst sin is to leave your arrows in the quiver and not take a shot ). Sin Zero is a bullseye. Sin is only a relative term in the context of a game, wherein you are trying to hit a certain target and the deviation from the target is called sin. In archery there is a center that is sin zero, and the first ring out is sin 10, then sin 20... It's a systme for scoring a game. What is the goal put forth by parables in the bible? To be righteous and what does that mean? It is a term from sailing of those days that means literally your boat is right-side up and has not capsized in a storm or due to the simple face of the passenger tipping the boat off balance. Stay afloat on the waters of life; try to hit your mark; play to win; each one decides for herself, that which she will strive to attain. the worst "sin" is to opt out of life and not even try, to fail to take a single bow out of the quiver ( where they keep the bows ) and not to even try to hit the target. In archery, you bring your own target with you and set it up in front of you to aim at. You set your own target. Jesus said we must follow the straight and narrow path; really, this path has many bends and turns according to each person's karma; and what makes it "straight" and narrow, is it is the ONE and ONLY Path that proceeds from your heart, so no matter which direction you turn, if you follow what projects from your heart you move straight ahead on your path. My Two Cents, Peace, CathieIn a message dated 10/24/2004 9:11:03 AM Mountain Daylight Time, bhagatirtha writes: > J. Frank (reincarnation of mystical Messiah Shabbatai Tsevi) also knew > why he had not succeeded in his former life: the Jews had not been > completely repentant, which in turn had been caused by the fact that > they had not tasted enough sin. Only true sinners could feel truly > guilty and could truly repent. The cure that Frank prescribed was to > sin as much as possible; if one indulged in every sin, it would soon > become unattractive and lead to repentance. He and his followers did > everything in their power to hurry up the end of times, breaking all > rules of Mosaic Law - especially the commandment about fornication. > For once, those accusing a religious innovator of incest were right. > In 1756, the rabbis condemned the remarkable new doctrine. > > (from materials of Donmeh West: http://www.donmeh-west.com/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:21:11 AM Mountain Daylight Time, bhagatirtha writes: > 93 > > To understand the concept of sin U have to study kabbalah. It is > rather deep to go into here. > > "To sin for sin`s sake is sin; to sin for Lord`s sake is > righteousness" > R. Yaakov Leib ha-Kohen. > > A. First of all, I need no study to understand the notion of sin, and it is not that deep. I just covered it in a nutshell. It is simple. It is the simplest teaching. My teacher is a High Master of Quabbalah Magic -- she healed herself of s-curve sciolosis and straightened her own spine. I would not take any Kabbalah that has been tainted by Crowley. My teacher is NOT a student of Crowly and in fact never heard of him before I asked he about him. The Universe does not spin around Crowley nor around his conception of Kabbalah. There are plenty of Jewish Rabbis around to teach Kabbalah, and many more who have learned Kabbalah from somebody Other than Crowley, than have learned it from Crowley himself. Crowley is entirely dispensible, from my point of view. There are plenty of spiritual teachers who can teach one to liberate oneself from one's second nature. I was mistaken to try to discuss this with you. I have no intention of going into the labyrinth of confusion with you, and am exiting this meaningless conversation. I hope you find Peace, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 In a message dated 10/24/2004 10:21:11 AM Mountain Daylight Time, bhagatirtha writes: > 93 > > To understand the concept of sin U have to study kabbalah. It is > rather deep to go into here. > > "To sin for sin`s sake is sin; to sin for Lord`s sake is > righteousness" > R. Yaakov Leib ha-Kohen. > > A. I do not consider you as one who is qualified to tell me what or whom to study. Just for the Record, Good Luck in Your Search for Meaning and Truth, Cathie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 J. Frank (reincarnation of mystical Messiah Shabbatai Tsevi) also knew why he had not succeeded in his former life: the Jews had not been completely repentant, which in turn had been caused by the fact that they had not tasted enough sin. Only true sinners could feel truly guilty and could truly repent. The cure that Frank prescribed was to sin as much as possible; if one indulged in every sin, it would soon become unattractive and lead to repentance. He and his followers did everything in their power to hurry up the end of times, breaking all rules of Mosaic Law - especially the commandment about fornication. For once, those accusing a religious innovator of incest were right. In 1756, the rabbis condemned the remarkable new doctrine. (from materials of Donmeh West: http://www.donmeh-west.com/) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 93 To understand the concept of sin U have to study kabbalah. It is rather deep to go into here. "To sin for sin`s sake is sin; to sin for Lord`s sake is righteousness" R. Yaakov Leib ha-Kohen. A. , SophiasHeaven@a... wrote: > That's all fine and good if one accepts the notion of Sin. > > Biblically, Sin is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Arjuna Taradasa wrote: > > 93 > > To understand the concept of sin U have to study kabbalah. It is > rather deep to go into here. Ever read Willam Blake? "Those who restrain desire, do so because theirs is weak enough to be restrained. "- William Blake Regards Lars Hedström Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 24, 2004 Report Share Posted October 24, 2004 Arjuna Taradasa wrote: > > 93 > > To understand the concept of sin U have to study kabbalah. It is > rather deep to go into here. > > "To sin for sin`s sake is sin; to sin for Lord`s sake is > righteousness" > R. Yaakov Leib ha-Kohen. "Prisons are built with stones of law, brothels with bricks of religion." - William Blake Lars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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