Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 93 , T N <yogiman2003> wrote: > There are some tantrik sects where alcohol is used. They follow the point that nothing is bad in this universe. Used in "SOME"? Rather in some it may not be used. Otherwise in almost all schools it is used in that or other way. > Very good point "Alcohol should be used with control" but in no time it'll control you so better not use it at all. It is not that me or u decide about it. Tantras prescribe usage of alchohol IN RITUALS. Whether to use it in common life up to one to decide, not restricted. BTW it is GOOD for health to have some amount of dry red wine every day . > It may seem Tamasik for the beginners but some high level sadhaks won't have any differences in anything. That is also right. However we can see that usage of alchohol is prescribed not for siddhas (satkaulas) but for vira practicioners. Of course, first one has to be adhikari for kaula path then only he may use madira in sadhana. > One can choose whatever path desirable. Yes, we all have free will. As it is said, "Thou hast no right but to do thy will". However this doesn`t imply that all paths lead to the same goal . > That doesn't mean one can use alcohol and other "Avakshya" foods in every path. In mystical path one can. In outer religions that depends. As i know only Islam prohibits usage of any kind of alchohol. I know not of any other case. There are enough sects that prohibit it but that`s different. > Can anyone show me if Srividya sadhana can be performed using alcohol? Yes , sure. In most of SV texts it is described. U may take a look at Lalitopakhyana, Parashuramakalpa-sutra, Tripurarnava etc. "Sing the rapturous love-song unto me! Burn to me perfumes! Wear to me jewels! Drink to me, for I love you! I love you!" (Liber AL 1.63) Love is the law, love under will. A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 please look up the composition of vishesharghya in vavavarana pooja. It speaks of "KshIrabindum dadyaat". You will also notice the place where "KshIra" is put; behind the diety, hinned and closed. And what is "shakti tilakam" Can you tell me how"kshIra" can be burnt and the burning kshIta is poured on the floor so that the upasakas can put tilaka on their forehead? Arjuna Taradasa <bhagatirtha wrote: 93 , T N <yogiman2003> wrote: > There are some tantrik sects where alcohol is used. They follow the point that nothing is bad in this universe. Used in "SOME"? Rather in some it may not be used. Otherwise in almost all schools it is used in that or other way. > Very good point "Alcohol should be used with control" but in no time it'll control you so better not use it at all. It is not that me or u decide about it. Tantras prescribe usage of alchohol IN RITUALS. Whether to use it in common life up to one to decide, not restricted. BTW it is GOOD for health to have some amount of dry red wine every day . > It may seem Tamasik for the beginners but some high level sadhaks won't have any differences in anything. That is also right. However we can see that usage of alchohol is prescribed not for siddhas (satkaulas) but for vira practicioners. Of course, first one has to be adhikari for kaula path then only he may use madira in sadhana. > One can choose whatever path desirable. Yes, we all have free will. As it is said, "Thou hast no right but to do thy will". However this doesn`t imply that all paths lead to the same goal . > That doesn't mean one can use alcohol and other "Avakshya" foods in every path. In mystical path one can. In outer religions that depends. As i know only Islam prohibits usage of any kind of alchohol. I know not of any other case. There are enough sects that prohibit it but that`s different. > Can anyone show me if Srividya sadhana can be performed using alcohol? Yes , sure. In most of SV texts it is described. U may take a look at Lalitopakhyana, Parashuramakalpa-sutra, Tripurarnava etc. "Sing the rapturous love-song unto me! Burn to me perfumes! Wear to me jewels! Drink to me, for I love you! I love you!" (Liber AL 1.63) Love is the law, love under will. A. / Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 Or, to quote the bible, "It is not what goes into a man that makes him clean or unclean, but what comes out of him" as in actions speak louder than words and "The Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree." as in a good person will produce good fruits and the fruits of his labor shall be good. I saw a show on the discovery channel a while back about how many American scientists had made major scientific discoveries as a result of having gone on mind explorations whileunder the unfluence of LSD. Interviewed on the show, they felt convinced that the LSD had opened their minds to exploration of far realms. Also, in "The Holotropic Mind" by Stanislav Grof, M.D. there is phychiatric record and evidence that people who had taken LSD had an IMPROVED ability to cope with the stress of their lives, even if they only took it once or twice -- enough to have a mind expanding experience. I also read a story about a man who had been interested in psychadelic drugs going to India and seeking a guru. The guru tried some of his drugs andwas COMPLETELY UNAFFECTED BY THEM" and this so altered the man ( who was interested inpsychadelic drugs (the fact of the guru being unphased by the drugs)) that he gave up drug research and started to study meditation instead. Peace, C In a message dated 10/25/2004 11:54:47 PM Mountain Daylight Time, bhagatirtha writes: > 93 > > , T N <yogiman2003> wrote: > >There are some tantrik sects where alcohol is used. They follow the > point that nothing is bad in this universe. > > Used in "SOME"? Rather in some it may not be used. Otherwise in almost > all schools it is used in that or other way. > > > >Very good point "Alcohol should be used with control" but in no time > it'll control you so better not use it at all. > > It is not that me or u decide about it. Tantras prescribe usage of > alchohol IN RITUALS. Whether to use it in common life up to one to > decide, not restricted. BTW it is GOOD for health to have some amount > of dry red wine every day . > > > >It may seem Tamasik for the beginners but some high level sadhaks > won't have any differences in anything. > > That is also right. However we can see that usage of alchohol is > prescribed not for siddhas (satkaulas) but for vira practicioners. Of > course, first one has to be adhikari for kaula path then only he may > use madira in sadhana. > > > >One can choose whatever path desirable. > > Yes, we all have free will. As it is said, "Thou hast no right but to > do thy will". > However this doesn`t imply that all paths lead to the same goal . > > > >That doesn't mean one can use alcohol and other "Avakshya" foods in > every path. > > In mystical path one can. In outer religions that depends. As i know > only Islam prohibits usage of any kind of alchohol. I know not of any > other case. There are enough sects that prohibit it but that`s > different. > > > >Can anyone show me if Srividya sadhana can be performed using > alcohol? > > Yes , sure. In most of SV texts it is described. U may take a look > at Lalitopakhyana, Parashuramakalpa-sutra, Tripurarnava etc. > > > "Sing the rapturous love-song unto me! Burn to me perfumes! Wear to me > jewels! Drink to me, for I love you! I love you!" (Liber AL 1.63) > > > Love is the law, love under will. > A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2004 Report Share Posted October 26, 2004 You are referring to Dr. Richard Alpert (Ram Dass) and Neem Karoli Baba. I heard that story too. I also heard that when he offered the Baba the LSD, the Baba actually PRETENDED to take it, which is why he evinced no effects from it. Ram Dass was convinced he did, though, and thus was weaned from his dependence on chemical pathways to unity! Most of us are not so lucky however, to have an external guru to spell it out for us! Or possibly we are MORE FORTUNATE, to have an inner guide that cannot fail us, if we are sincere! I have never had an external guru, at least not for any length of time. This must mean something, I figured, since I have been on a spiritual quest for AGES, and if I was meant to be taught externally, someone would surely have showed up by now! So, with the help of the Qabalah, I started to pay closer attention to events and people around me, and sure enuf! Patterns and symbols started to emerge...people who were significant to me would say certain things and act in certain ways; all unknowing, they would "give me the Password!". Significant events would do the same thing, I would see certain meaningful symbols connected with them and therefore I would attend them, on the alert for whatever it was I was to encounter there! It was like a giant game of "Myst". Life is much more interesting since I discovered this method of Divine Communion; it is like an ongoing "Ras-Lila! PS; The Hermetic Qabalah works equally well for Eastern and Western symbologies. Lilith M. --- SophiasHeaven wrote: > Or, to quote the bible, "It is not what goes into a > man that makes him clean > or unclean, but what comes out of him" as in > actions speak louder than words > and "The Fruit doesn't fall far from the tree." as > in a good person will > produce good fruits and the fruits of his labor > shall be good. > > I saw a show on the discovery channel a while back > about how many American > scientists had made major scientific discoveries as > a result of having gone on > mind explorations whileunder the unfluence of LSD. > Interviewed on the show, > they felt convinced that the LSD had opened their > minds to exploration of far realms. > > I also read a story about a man who had been > interested in psychadelic drugs > going to India and seeking a guru. The guru tried > some of his drugs andwas > COMPLETELY UNAFFECTED BY THEM" and this so altered > the man ( who was interested > inpsychadelic drugs (the fact of the guru being > unphased by the drugs)) that > he gave up drug research and started to study > meditation instead. > > Peace, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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